It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
1.
According to the conformist spiritualities, the phenomenological world and its forms are impermanent, vanity, transitory, fleeting, empty and illusory. These ideas, however—these seemingly eternal opinions—which were developed, argued for and produced by beings within the very same fleeting and illusory world, are somehow, in a typically contradictory fashion, exempt from these conditions. How is it possible for an idea created within this empty and vain illusion, and thus, by the empty, vain and illusory beings within it, not to be empty, vain and illusory in itself? It seems that despite their intention to denounce this world as futile and illusory, they forgot to do the same to their “truths”, which they nonetheless parade about as eternal and reality. It is almost a grand comedy to watch this happen, for the very moment these ideas left their mouths, or spilled themselves on to some parchment or papyrus, is the exact same moment they refuted themselves.2.
Soon we will all wither away and die. But until that happens—and even at the same time—we grow and live. In the same vein, we are only impermanent insofar as we refuse to be permanent. We are only empty insofar as we refuse to be full. We are only illusory in so far as we refuse to be real.3.
Spiritually, they say that one should accept their fate, and to accept their impermanence. They say we should not struggle, but should let it go. They tell us rather than do, we should not do. This is fatalism, and defeatism. One might wonder why they do not tell us to lie down and die next. But, as we know, to stop moving is to start dying. And, as we find, what is impermanent is their order, structures, authority and systems. What is permanent, is the chaos they all must face, the chaos we all must face, and the spiritual strength needed to continuously act within it.
“Those who are dissatisfied with themselves are continually ready for revenge, and we others will be their victims, if only by having to endure their ugly sight.”
originally posted by: Aphorism
They say we should not struggle, but should let it go. They tell us rather than do, we should not do. This is fatalism, and defeatism.
The Force is of course a fictional depiction of something that is a universal common denominator in world religion and myth. Star Wars, as a modern myth, depicts it in a way modern audiences can relate to.
originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: BlueMule
I like what you've written.
The Force is of course a fictional depiction of something that is a universal common denominator in world religion and myth. Star Wars, as a modern myth, depicts it in a way modern audiences can relate to.
It's sad to me that we must mythologize in order to value the world; that we can only relate to story times, and not what the story is always about.
originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: BlueMule
I cannot disagree with that. Let's just hope people begin to find their own voice.
originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Are you so dissatisfied with yourself that you must imagine yourself a nothing?
Yet a something sits on a something typing somethings to a something and it gets a response.
Why do you choose to be a nothing itsnowagain? Yet act like a something?
originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Are you so dissatisfied with yourself that you must imagine yourself a nothing?
I have found that I am not a thing. You on the other hand believe you are a thing among other things. The illusion of being a thing among other things is threatening - as it is known that all things have a beginning and an end. The discovery, the realization, of no thingness is the end of feeling separate and the end of the human condition of suffering.
it is the immaterial world I have state is without meaning. Because you touch a chair does not mean it carries with it intrinsic meaning. It is you that generates the meaning, not the chair.
I would rather value the things around me than believe and rogue they are nothing.
I don't know why I continually pick up messages alongside that which seem to de-value spirituality in general.
The "immaterial world" is the internal world of meaning we each have. I generate my immaterial world, we agree.
It is NOT however, void of meaning. That indicates "without value" to me. The objects we perceive have just as much value as the meanings we attach to them. The subjective world is just as important, if not more important, than the objective one- for I am not sure we can even perceive the full objective world, as our internal subjective one is what influences our focus.
Was it with you that we disagreed on the subject of the value of the practice of meditation?
Searching my internal associations, that might be influencing my perception of this OP.
I experience meditation as the development of the capability to STOP creating meaning for a moment- give it a pause, like rebooting your computer, allowing it to release built up static electricity.
I guess, as much as I share your enthousiasm for the sensual and material world, and being active within it, I always want to disagree with a percieved de-valuation of being passive and stepping out of it sometimes.
Is that a misunderstanding on my part?
The potential exists for global resonance, which would create in essence a 'human hologram'. The individual equal to the sum, all in all! Everyone knowing everything that everyone else knows. Noosphere! The Divine Milieu.
Would you value that?