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Can There Be An Honest President? If So, Who?

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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: knightsofcydonia
I never proclaimed Ron Paul to be a savior. He is not running in the next election either so it's moot.
I'm sorry to put you on the defensive. I was simply responding to the OP's original question Can There Be An Honest President? If So, Who? Ron Paul is the clear choice...
I would love to hear your opinion on any topic related to the presidency: Austrian Economics, bipartisanship,terrorism, surveillance, keynesianism,global warming, zionism, taxes,racism, Noble liars, conscription, discrimination, bipartisanship etc...???
a reply to: DuckforcoveR


If Ron Paul were an honest man he would not play the game of disavowing the content of his own newsletters.




posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: MurgatroidSo where do you see the Tea party as part of the "establishment" or anti- establishment?

I mean I don't doubt every social program ever convieved by the US Government has been put place to buy votes and control the masses. When you accept government assistance you are voluntarily giving yourself up to slavery.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Humanity72
So who are the "perpetraitors" in charge? I really want to know who is pulling my strings.


Well, the One World government runs the three remaining superpowers and derives its funding authorization from their techno-populist "parliament": the Bilderberg Group. It is they who keep the clueless masses addicted to petroleum, Hollywood blockbusters, Tylenol and McDonald's hamburgers, while they simultaneously get rich and direct the course of human history as they see fit.

Barack Obama is a fake. But he's as manufactured a product as John Boehner, David Cameron or Angela Merkel. None of these people wields any true power, and exist merely to be the focus of their countries' populations' demands. They are puppets of the plutocrat elite, who reside as the heads of large global corporations. We've had a functioning global economy directing all politics for well over 70 years now- perhaps much, much longer. They decide who you vote for: Barack Obama or Barack Obama. Both candidates in any US election, or indeed any election, are the same guy. The political parties are identical in that they all seek to placate and therefore control us.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: DigitalJesusWuangI know for a fact both Clintons have been invited to the Bilderburg group at seperate times so I guess it's a far gone conclusion that Hilary is next in line for the presidency.

I've always thought there was a power behind oil prices it's not OPEC that has keep them high it is the oil speculators on the market and that is so easy to manipulate. The simple fact that they government hasn't shut that down is a huge clue that they actually want the speculation to continue.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Humanity72

I have never looked into the Tea party...

Although I am convinced that the OWS deception was an inside job and a complete setup.

There are many good people buying into the OWS movement, I was one of them.

I now realize that the NWO does not oppose it's enemies, but infiltrates them & corrupts them.

The whole game is rigged end to end, top to bottom.

ALL world events, including revolutions are carefully engineered and orchestrated behind the scenes to weaken civilization, gain control, and create a global police state.

The TPTB have financed EVERY revolution:


"...the infiltration and take over (via revolutions) of all western governments with the USA as its "prize". Thru the centuries, the Illuminati has financed and promoted every revolution including The French and American Revolution." LINK

"The Illuminati was behind the revolutionary movements of the 18th -- 20th Century as well as their respective reigns of terror. The bankers used their power to spread their Satanic convictions. They had finagled a monopoly on credit (usurping the government's right to create money) and they needed to control the world in order to protect this prize."LINK

"Communism/socialism is THE economic system of choice for the NWO and also for many of the organizers, thus I would have to agree it is an illuminati tool. One big tip-off is the immense, unmerited MSM coverage this manufactured ‘movement’ has garnered- because it furthers TPTB goals of One World Govt. Where was the media when a REAL, GLOBAL, GRASSROOTS movement of 36 MILLION marched for weeks to protest the Iraq War in 2003? Not a whisper in the press." LINK


Why the Illuminati Want Us to Protest
pinballking.blogspot.com...

Solid Evidence That Occupy Wall Street Is A Communist Movement Run By Socialists
www.infowars.com... stem/



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: Humanity72
a reply to: DigitalJesusWuangI know for a fact both Clintons have been invited to the Bilderburg group at seperate times so I guess it's a far gone conclusion that Hilary is next in line for the presidency.

I've always thought there was a power behind oil prices it's not OPEC that has keep them high it is the oil speculators on the market and that is so easy to manipulate. The simple fact that they government hasn't shut that down is a huge clue that they actually want the speculation to continue.

Look to the movie, "Chain Reaction", starring Keanu Reeves. It's awful, but the shadowy quasi-governmental organization run by the badguys depicted in the film is quite similar to how the One World / Bilderberg Group probably operates. They decide whether a new technology can be spread to the whole world, while secretly controlling both its development and benefits.

Hillary Clinton told the truth in her book, Hard Choices: she and President Bill Clinton really were broke after they departed the White House in 2000. Bill couldn't earn anything else than his salary while serving as President and Hillary hadn't yet set up her exploratory committee for her senate run in NY state. They had depleted their personal reserves in fighting the Whitewater scandal in legal fees. Yet miraculously, they have managed to overnight become some of the richest people in the world, while simultaneously being "popular" and ascending to political office. No one can really explain WHY exactly Hillary's supposedly this great leader, but we're all just expecting her to succeed to the office of the presidency in 2016.

I pray for the little successes we enjoy, the little discoveries of their empire's existence, and hope for one day overthrowing the One World government. Edward Snowden is probably dead now, but he pulled the curtain back and showed how insidious their control is. Every electronic communication is monitored and filtered, in case it contains overly revolutionary ideas. Every media device we own made past a certain date is actively spying on us, right up to and including cameras in our own homes watching us. I await the day that we get another brave Snowden-like whistleblower to tell us about the drugs being dumped into our food supply to keep us docile...



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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Maybe George Orwell was off by about 50 years.....



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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I'm assuming this "movement' exist at the state and county level as well as the national one?



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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ALL world events, including revolutions are carefully engineered and orchestrated behind the scenes to weaken civilization, gain control, and create a global police state.


You would think that but we have mass shootings about once every two weeks and not much of a power grab is made from those. You have one AlCIAda plant with a shoe bomb and now everyone has to go through the metal detectors in their socks.
I think quite a few events are random and fewer are intentional false flags.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: PleiaDsClusterDck


You have one AlCIAda plant with a shoe bomb...


I see what you did there.

And I take your derision as sarcastic disbelief, but I warn you: trust no one in power. Your local government officials don't care about you, unless you start asking questions that probe too deeply: "Can you show me how my taxes are spent?", "Why am I forbidden from observing what my taxes have purchased?", "How do you justify controlling my movement through borders without proper papers that YOU supply to me at my request?".

The time of the Stasi was so much easier. We all knew that every 8th person was an informant or employee of the state security apparatus. So no one said anything and we all spoke in code and whispers. Now, we have been lulled into complacency and readily give up our personal information through social media. Our brethren in the United Kingdom actually have been brainwashed into believing that CCTV watching their every movements is somehow "safer" for them. Any serious opposition or attempt to even expose that these layers of surveillance and control and you'll be first labeled as a crazy, tinfoil-hat wearing nut, before being medicated into a harmless catatonic trance.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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before being medicated into a harmless catatonic trance.


70% of Americans are on Medication.
“Was and will make me ill,
I take a gram and only am."



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: PleiaDsClusterDck


before being medicated into a harmless catatonic trance.


70% of Americans are on Medication.
“Was and will make me ill,
I take a gram and only am."
The entire country is told they are depressed and put on anti-depressant drugs which over time more or less destroy a person's cognitive abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an addictive additive put into these drugs in order to promote their use.

Between social government programs and prescribed drug therapies (don't think Obamacare happened by accident do you?) the people of this country are enslaving themselves and giving up their constitutional rights by default.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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It is the Presidents job to lie. That's why they hire him. A public voice to lie over and over and over again without blinking an eye. There has never been an honest president, as it is their duty to keep America sedated and completely dumbed down. If citizens knew the truth about all these conspiracy that have been going on for century's, there would be mass murder, riots and chaos. But there isnt. Because our presidents are such highly trained liars.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: samstone11

Ron Paul!!



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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In my opinion, no, at least not entirely honest. To win an election, you have to appeal to the majority of the vote.

I've said in previous threads that I believe most politicians don't even believe in their own political viewpoints. They adopted those viewpoints in order to win votes.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: revolution2016
It is the Presidents job to lie. That's why they hire him. A public voice to lie over and over and over again without blinking an eye. There has never been an honest president, as it is their duty to keep America sedated and completely dumbed down. If citizens knew the truth about all these conspiracy that have been going on for century's, there would be mass murder, riots and chaos. But there isnt. Because our presidents are such highly trained liars.
He's the public affairs chief representative for some of the controlling oligarchs, but wields no real power. He's like the Mouth of Sauron, in that it seems like he's a real influential figure, but the reality is that he reads from a script and doesn't really determine the course of society a leader would traditionally be expected to do. No elected official does either. Once feudalism was well and truly dead, the people pulling the strings needed an effective pantomine to fool the masses into not questioning authority. For a long time, unfortunately they abused the church and even the Pope and cardinals were complicit in it.

It's all the more clear in America versus some of our European countries that this is happening, and I wonder why Americans so readily accept clear idiots posing as their leaders and what obvious distractions the fake elections are?



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: DigitalJesusWuang

I would argue that "their puppets are better because; X,Y,Z"

Basically as I see it, if there is such a NWO it's already won, we might just want to make the best of it and make sure we all get a somewhat decent deal under it.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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I actually think for the most part, going in, they are all mostly honest, decent men. They going in thinking they will be honest, but after the briefings, they see it is not possible. Not sustainable.

I remember the video of Barack Obama coming out of the WH after about a 72 hour briefing. He looked like someone hit him with a chair. Or worse.

Sometimes I think there are things so dreadful, we might be better off not knowing.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: Humanity72
The entire country is told they are depressed and put on anti-depressant drugs which over time more or less destroy a person's cognitive abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an addictive additive put into these drugs in order to promote their use.

Between social government programs and prescribed drug therapies (don't think Obamacare happened by accident do you?) the people of this country are enslaving themselves and giving up their constitutional rights by default.


We are depressed and sick as a people because of the inferior quality of the food and water we consume (most of it with added - flouride and other known poisons & industrial waste), the ever growing Electro-Smog we live in, our sedintary lifestyles (yes, you at the computer), decreasing available oxygen in the atmostphere. Those all cause real phsyical change in our biology and electro-chemistry. Add drugs - of all types to the mix - and you get raving lunatics.

The Zombie analogy is apt.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:40 AM
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I don't think there can be one. Not within the current system at least.

The way the over-sized government is financed, taxation, T-Bill and Bond auctions, means the strongest players on the field are the big banks. Since they finance almost the entire public sector it's they who control the government, not the other way around.

... and banking is a business. Business and honesty don't mix well.




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