How does the word "communism" effect you?

I just watched a documentary about Dalton Trumbo, who was blacklisted due to his communist party membership.

When you hear the word communist, do you automatically feel a negative feeling? I do.

But capitalism is currently not warming my inner being. Those that wish to control us all are pulling the strings.

Hippie communes I like, but they are small scale. As soon as you introduce big scale, the nasty boy arrive to use what they can to seize power.

And this is not even considering the possibility that there is a plan that is very long term to turn the world in to a one world power.

Same way I feel about all political systems .. disgusted and an overwhelming urge to vomit ..

a reply to: droid56

Any of the "isms" just give me worms. All that political theory looks good on paper, but stick a bunch of criminal psychopaths to run it in the "real" world and it all goes to hell real fast. The simplest solution is sometimes the best, my rights end where your begin and then you really don't need no stinkin' "isms."

Cheers - Dave

Looks good on paper but can't be implemented with out the corruption taking over.
Absolute power and all that jazz.
I would like to hear what you call a hippie commie is tho

sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me

a reply to: droid56

I don't feel negative towards communism especially as I remember that a lot of Russians did not like giving it up for various reasons such as employment etc and it probably worked for a while before, like all systems it got corrupted by the exploitative few.

As you say I don't care for capitalism either today because of the greed and the distance this system has put between the elite rich and the rest of the people. Things are so tight, if you need things people are trying to rip off any extra fees they can and the banks are there in force.

I would prefer to see something in the middle of both systems and an equalising out of wealth. I don't think either its the Islamic way for an alternative system because they simply find ways of sidestepping their banking usury system and most countries have the same capitalist societies with the very rich and ordinary getting wider apart.

Watching Keiser on RT yesterday, for whom I do have a healthy respect, when he doesn't wriggle about too much, was very interesting because he made the point that with all this quantative easing we have in capitalism, we don't seem to have much money in our pockets! So, where exactly has all this new money found its way to - he said Warren Buffet and the likes. But again its a system of letting the buffets of the world grab more money and stop it circulating into a system we all benefit by, because it certainly hasn't gone into wages to stimulate the economy for ordinary people.

There was a lot of propaganda about the Russians which is easy to do because they have a language most don't speak, so you couldn't check so easily what the tv told you. I was amazed at the RT documentaries and Russian life. OK its not the wealthies or simplest existence but it was far more interesting and diverse than the propaganda led one to believe and home-made vodka, although encouraging drunks seemed quite fun for the odd evening.

Whichever way we go and I hope it won't involve civil or war unrest, despite rumours of elite desires to cull our numbers, we need a new system now, not tomorrow, but now or things will get out of hand.

In communism you don;t have the Queen snatching fracking rights from landowners for which our government is putting the legislation through, in order to be able to take someone's land they paid for, frack on it and take the profit for the queen. Our system is disgusting in some ways.

a reply to: droid56

The revolution communism to power triangle dictatorship with state capitalism added with a little socialism do not work since you get the corrupt politicians who wont give up power.

To have any chance to implement communism either it have to be very small scale or have a long period of people understanding that the region will become communist and prepare so that the change do not cause unwanted problems.

That is one of the things that we are very bad at. Preparing and testing an implementation of social structure before implementing it to be sure no ill effect occur.

But from my point of view the current trickle up fascist corporate buy corrupt politician system do not work at all and will probably in the end cause humanity to die out.

Maybe as Plato said the only real fair ruling will be made by giving power to the true Philosophers who are better equipped to handle the power->corruption since the true Philosophers are more interested in implementing something that works for all and the knowledge of the solution than the material gain. But those true philosophers are hard to get to take on the power since power in itself is not interesting to them.

Socrates argument is that in the ideal city, a true Philosopher with understanding of forms will facilitate the harmonious co-operation of all the citizen of the city. This philosopher-king must be intelligent, reliable, and willing to lead a simple life. However, these qualities are rarely manifested on their own, and so they must be encouraged through education and the study of the Good. Just as visible objects must be illuminated in order to be seen, so objects of knowledge must also be true if light is cast led on them. Just as light comes from the sun, so does truth comes from goodness. Goodness as the source of truth makes it possible for the mind to know, just as light from the sun makes the eyes able to see.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
As you say I don't care for capitalism either today because of the greed and the distance this system has put between the elite rich and the rest of the people.

I'm sorry but I can't see the sense in what your posting here, what has the current economic system got to do with capitalism? I just can't see the contection.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
I would prefer to see something in the middle of both systems and an equalising out of wealth. I don't think either its the Islamic way for an alternative system because they simply find ways of sidestepping their banking usury system and most countries have the same capitalist societies with the very rich and ordinary getting wider apart.

We currently do have a economic system the is broadly in the middle, although alot closer to the communist style planned economies. This is the exact problem we have now, the rich are getting richer because Government is and always will be vulnerable to corruption and it can easily be bought off to put in place new laws and taxes to stifle competition and keep the poor in place while the rich get ever richer.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
with all this quantative easing we have in capitalism, we don't seem to have much money in our pockets!

Quantative easing is a Kensyian style economic trick, it has about as much to do with Capitalism as the the pope does with competative fishing. Look for example at Ron Paul a very well know capitalist, hes hardly singing the praises of the federal reserve.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
In communism you don;t have the Queen snatching fracking rights from landowners for which our government is putting the legislation through, in order to be able to take someone's land they paid for, frack on it and take the profit for the queen.

I'm going to say two words and let you think a bit about what you wrote here, hopefully you won't need me to say any more. "North Korea"

a reply to: LittleByLittle

The idea of benevolent leaders is very utopian, nieve and unrealistic. if such a government was possible humanity would be advanced enough that no government would be necissary.

Reminds me of the death of millions in europe and asia from communist regimes.

Communism frightens me because it demands absolute control by the central state authorities to plan everything for everyone else. I don't want to give up total control of my life. For one thing, no disinterested bureaucrat knows me well enough to make all the best decisions for me and my family, and when those decisions are inevitably made "for the greater good," there are plenty of outliers who get sacrificed who need not be, but they will suffer anyhow and suffer a lot. How is that any different than people who suffer for their own poor decisions in a freer system where people are expected to make their own way?

As for capitalism, at it's base it's an economic system and not supposed to be a political one at all. America was designed to be a free market, capitalist economy operating in a Constitutional Republic. The first part describes the economy and the second describes the political system. Over time, those two things have become so entangled that we now have a kind of cronyist, corporatist, socialist muck that only pretends to be free market capitalist and a Constitutional Republic.

IF communism scares you, than sadly you are part of the indoctrinated group of populations.

The word is used by individuals to scare a group into going opposite.

The modern word they use equivalent to communism(used in the 1950s) are "Terrorist" "Weapons of Mass Destruction" "Islam" etc.



Sad little people living inside a box.

a reply to: droid56

What I think about when I hear the word Communism is fairly complex.

I think it is an attempt that a Utopian society that will only work if people stop acting like people. In other words if people can lead without being corrupted. If people can lead with a genuine sense of what is good for the country. If people can contribute without envy, without being lazy, and again with a genuine sense of what is good for the country. Seems that a sense of self would have to come in 2nd to a sense of community.

Which is why any form of communism has failed. There are takers and there are givers. In a true and successful communist system all would have to be givers, subjugating the taker in us all.

Won't happen. At least not in our lifetimes, not with how we raise children, not with how we see the world, not with how we react to other's success/failures. Not with how a segment of our society feels entitled to a free ride.

a reply to: luciddream

You can have valid fear of communism without being indoctrinated into the red scare hysteria.

I think you are underestimating people just to write them off like that. It does a diservice to them, you and communism to employ such a flippant brush off of objection.

I see the labels Commies, socialists, lefties etc. all lumped together to create a negative reaction.

Classic NLP, word play and attempted manipulation by usually those on the conservative right wing.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: droid56

What I think about when I hear the word Communism is fairly complex.

I think it is an attempt that a Utopian society that will only work if people stop acting like people. In other words if people can lead without being corrupted. If people can lead with a genuine sense of what is good for the country. If people can contribute without envy, without being lazy, and again with a genuine sense of what is good for the country. Seems that a sense of self would have to come in 2nd to a sense of community.

Which is why any form of communism has failed. There are takers and there are givers. In a true and successful communist system all would have to be givers, subjugating the taker in us all.

Won't happen. At least not in our lifetimes, not with how we raise children, not with how we see the world, not with how we react to other's success/failures. Not with how a segment of our society feels entitled to a free ride.

Why I often say that communism looks good on paper. It's a valid dream, but that's all it will ever be in this reality - a dream. Human nature, evolution really, prevents it. We compete. It's what we do, and most of those things you mention are products of the evolutionary drive we all have. The closest we have to true communist is insect colonies, and even they compete against other insect colonies. And if you look closely, they have their castes, so they aren't really all equal in their treatment of one another and lives.

originally posted by: olaru12
I see the labels Commies, socialists, lefties etc. all lumped together to create a negative reaction.

Classic NLP, word play and attempted manipulation by usually those on the conservative right wing.

And you aren't using "conservative right wing" in a similar way?

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: droid56

What I think about when I hear the word Communism is fairly complex.

I think it is an attempt that a Utopian society that will only work if people stop acting like people. . . .

That's the truth right there.

Communism is a perfect system, until you add people. then it all goes to hell.

originally posted by: olaru12
I see the labels Commies, socialists, lefties etc. all lumped together to create a negative reaction.

Classic NLP, word play and attempted manipulation by usually those on the conservative right wing.

Things are even more absurd on the right, apparently a national socialist, a third alternative facist and a anarcho capitalist are all on the same end of the political spectrum explain the logic in that, at least communists, socialist and lefties have similar policies and beliefs.

a reply to: monkofmimir

Perhaps you can explain the socialist fascism of the Nazis?