originally posted by: Snoopy1978
a reply to: edaced4
So you think ADD and ADHD are made up conditions? How about schizophrenia, depression, ptsd and bipolar disorder? Are those made up as well? Are
those, in your opinion, nothing but a call for attention, cowardice or plain boredom? Do you have a medical degree? You state such an aggressive
opion as if it it's rooted in fact, surely you must be a trained psychiatrist or neurologist?
Who are you to determine what conditions are real or not? If you had any of the conditions above, you would change your tune real quick. The world
is not subject to your one dimensional perspective. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you spout your pseudogarbage nonsensical opinions on
something YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
Tl/dr: Not this crap again, please.
goodness...I am going to take a guess that you have personal experience with it.
OP did specifically it was an opinion. Never claimed to have an MD or PhD and here's the thing. Those degrees are a cry for appeal to authority and
not always as strong as you think.
You took a great deal of time with other fallacies as well such as generalization. Did OP mention that he thought schizophrenia and bipolar weren't
real? I sure didn't see it but you had no problem trying to saddle him with those ideas
OP mentioned THEIR opinion and OP is welcome to it
now...as for ADD/ADHD...yes I believe they are real. I also believe they are MASSIVELY over-diagnosed. A kid speaks out in class, acts up and
BAM....ADHD and Adderall
It is a major problem that we are so quickly drugging our kids without a major workup and intensive study into the child. I cannot even begin to tell
you how many children come to my door step with mom crying out ADHD!!! I won't be disingenuous...some of the kids I see legitimately do have it and
for a select few, low dose stimulants do help. But I posit that it is a minority of kids who are truly ADHD/ADD. Rather, I see the problem is big
pharma has a durg and needs to make their dollars, so information on the illness is vague and not-too-careful in wording
is often easily distracted...I haven't met a kid yet that DOESN'T meet this...they are KIDS.
Does not listen when spoken to...see above
Often has trouble organizing things...
well I am not going to bore you with a bunch of "see above" comments
instead let me give you my professional opinion
you seem to like appeal to authority. I am an MA, LPC, QMHP and specialize in disorders of anxiety spectrum. I also am a long time, legitimate
sufferer of bipolar I disorder and GAD. I work in a clinic whose doctors see all ages and personally work with an MD/PhD who is a child behavior
specialist. I have personally done a year of therapy on two children diagnosed with ADHD
YES...I believe ADHD exists...but there are two serious problems in the criteria
1. It's vague...like it or not it is vague.
Look at another example...Schizophrenia
It's more spceific...cleaner...easier to spot and come up with answers to. If I have a person come to our clinic, it's simple to observe that this
client is responding to internal stimuli. When they tell me they believe they have their "sister climbing around inside of them" I can say...yes
this is delusional and paranoid
but go back to ADHD
trouble organizing...dislikes things with a lot of mental effort over a long period of time
I again say I have yet to meet even a healthy kid who wants to do algebra for two hours...but then...we never defined it did we? What is "a lot of
mental effort" and what is "a long period of time"?
which bring me to factor 2
2. Who decides what fits in the criteria.
"Is often on the go as if driven by a motor"
seriously? Kids run around...they have boundless energy...I was a kid and never sat still. I had a world to adventure into and learn. I had to know
things, grasp them, touch them, play, have fun, see my friends
now tell me in the middle of this that I have to sit and pay attention to a boring teacher talking about the Civil War...
yes as an adult I love learning. I get great joy from studying my MBA courses. But that's just it...I am almost 35. I;ve matured, grown and moved
beyond childish pursuits
To me, while (again to say it) ADHD does eist in some cases, we've invented not a disease, but criteria that can fit most children who are otherwise
healthy and active
And btw...just because an MD says something does not make it true
MD's constantly misdiagnose and gloss over criteria...hell I wa sspecifically trained to diagnose and treat GAD, ASD and PTSD...you think I never
misdiagnose something or mistreat? hell yeah I do...not terribly often...but then that brings me to my last point and I am gonna pick on
EVERYONE...including myself in the medical/mental health field
We get over-focused on things...it happens like it or not
the flavor of the day is ADHD so doctors get over-focused...it's like when Penicillin came out...wonder drug and saved humanity...until they started
giving it to everyone who coughed once...
The medical community is too focused on ADHD right now...and due to that focus and of course, the dealings and pushings of big pharma, the community
will diagnose any kid who talks back or acts up...because frankly, and you can disagree all you want, teachers and parents are either unable or
unwilling to deal with kids who act up
you tell me what's easier...
I am a 35 year old, teacher, burnt out and Johnny is throwing spit balls again (as kids do...). Johnny talks out and doesn't want to do math
I can try and counsel Johnny, talk to mom, talk to the administration and try and help Johnny focus by engaging him and making learning more exciting
(and trust me learning can be VERY exciting...if only the educator cares about what they do)
I can call a doctor and have him placed on adderall...now Johnny sits quietly, zombie-like and man I don't ever have issues with him anymore!
amazing...and so much easier to pass the buck
now...the final issue is this self-fulfilling prophecy we cultivate as a lazy society
yes Johnny is now calm, but with the exception of side effects, most kids on these pills will relax...so you see it as cause and effect
I "feel" Johnny had ADHD
Johnny is now calm on Adderall
Johnny had ADHD
I feel from your post that you have personal experience...and I don't doubt your claim if that is so...but please don't fall into the trap of
thinking that there isn't a serious and malignant over-diagnosis issue to consider...
and yes...that's my professional opinion