originally posted by: smithjustinb
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
a reply to: smithjustinb
So Iam supposed to be an animal and it's equal giving it respect.
walk by a hungry lion look him in the eye to get some respect and he will see how you taste.
So are you saying you're not respectable?
I didn't say "get respect from animals", I said, "give respect to animals".
Pack animals, herd animals all establish a pecking order at feeding time, if you're not strong enough to move someone off the food so you can
eat you die as a horse, wolf, or coyote. They don't step away and let the other eat, saving that life, ah but a human will make sure that happens in
a herd of horses to make sure all are fed.
All this is is different animals do things different. It doesn't mean because they do it different, they don't deserve respect.
Animals don't respect me unless I demand it, I have managed over 40 horses at one time with 20 in a 5 acre pen. I am just another member of
the herd if I don't make them back off and give me room. They will bite you, push you down, and kick you if you give them the chance by not paying
I can speak plainly to my dog. I don't yell or scream. I say, "do this". And it gets done. My dog respects me. That's easy. The hard thing,
but the most valuable thing to do is to come down from you high horse, be humble, and listen to what the dog has to say. That takes recognizing it as
an equal and showing it respect. If you understood the value of it, like I do, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You think there is no value.
You are missing out on a lot more in life and the things you can experience than you know.
As a human I am superior, I can build, comprehend, create cities, be trained to drive cars, reason, practice medicine on another humans, grow
my own food, and care for animals. yes I am superior.
Walk up to a lion unarmed and see who's more equipped to survive. You mention all this power you have, but power is nothing compared to the
understanding that can be gained from humbling yourself to see the relative power of other species.
Humans are not animals.
Its very unfortunate for you that you think that.
You will live the rest of your life surrounded by millions of things that you don't give any value to other than sustenance for sustaining more of
the same narrow perspective. There's a whole world of discovery out there that's always been around you, and you'll never know anything about it
other than it fills your stomach, they fill their stomach, and you could easily kill it. Its really a shame. Its a shame you won't experience what
I've found to be extraordinary, and its a shame you don't know its a shame.
I don't feel I am on a high horse, and I am not projecting any kind of attitude. I spent 10 years rescuing horses, feeding horses, medicating horses,
handling horses, saving horses from unimaginable things that would make a person sick. I have done what's considered stealing horses from people that
were abusive and animal control would do nothing. I am under no illusion that horses would give you the same respect that you want to give them. They
are after all flight animals, eyes forward, they run first and ask questions later. I have a farrier friend that calls me a whisperer because after
hours of watching, working, and caring for them I understand them and they understood me, nothing more. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Only a fool would walk by a lion unarmed and thats a different kind of respect, but if you think we are animals then it should be a mutual kind of
respect, and the reality is it isn't. Your dog doesn't respect you, he loves you he wants to do whatever you want, he wants to please you. The power
I hold isn't arrogance it's being a human being, drop your cat in the freezing forest of Alaska and see who last longer a human being or a cat.
Humans can be trained to survive and live in a freezing forest in Alaska, a cat would be food for another animal or freeze to death.
Of course approaching a lion unarmed would have him better to survive, put him in a busy intersection and see who survives. This isn't about
survival, it's about respect, and a lion doesn't respect me, I am dinner. He would show me no more respect than he would a zebra. Both tasty.
I have had a great life with my involvement of horses, what you find extraordinary I got to experience for just over 10 years. I have seen them die in
front of me, and brought them back from the brink of death. Spent more money than I would admit to, and never compained. But in the end they are
animals, the only respect they understand is the kind that comes at feeding time, the toughest eats first, and there will be hell and major expenses
if challenged by another.
Animals respect strength and violence, I know they can also love, and feel sorrow for the death of another. But they don't respect for intelligence,
creativity, education, breeding, or family as humans do. I respect you for this thread and your concern for animals, they can be special, they can
awful. I have experienced both usually awful comes from their treatment from people. It's amazing the things horses taught me, one of the most
important is, we train people how to treat us, if someone yells at me and I let them get away with it, I am in training them that it is acceptable to
treat me this way.