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How did farming take over the world? One theory is that farming was such an evidently good idea that it spread on its own. As hunter-gatherers encountered farmers, they were converted to an agricultural way of living. But a large-scale genetic analysis of Stone Age remains in Sweden suggests that this wasn't the case.
Instead, it seems like early farmers and hunter-gatherers had deep-rooted genetic differences. This suggests that European farmers were so successful that they displaced hunter-gatherers as they spread across the continent.
Pontus Skoglund of Uppsala University in Sweden and his colleagues sequenced the DNA from 11 early hunter-gatherers and farmers dating back to between 5000 and 7000 years ago. Four were associated with late Stone Age farming settlements; seven were identified as coastal hunter-gatherers.
DNA analysis showed that the farmers and hunter-gatherers descended from distinct genetic lineages. "It is quite clear that the two groups are very different," says Skoglund. Comparisons with the genes of modern populations revealed them to be more distinct that the genomes of modern Scandinavians and Italians.
Previous analyses of the isotopes in the bones of the 11 Stone Age individuals also showed the hugely different diet the two groups had. The hunter-gatherers relied primarily on seals and fish, while the farmers ate mostly land protein – presumably from the animals that they took care of.
originally posted by: Spider879
...It's becoming clearer to me that some folks simply don't give up their way of life because it looks easier and more advanced,I am reminded of the same kind of mind that resulted in sud busters VS cowpokes or cattle prodders wars right down to the American west cowboys vs homesteaders, that took place all over the globe the herders generally warriors and often predatory none the less eventually lost out to the farmers every time,one reason population density and social organization, somewhat related is the often belated adoption of certain technologies Kush and Kmt slow in making use of Iron had unfortunate consequences when they ran up against the Assyrian's Iron clad military machine,or Oda Nobunaga adopted the use of firearms while most of the Samurai's elites considered it a weapon of cowardliness,predictable out come brave guys lost Nobunaga won big.
originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Spider879
Luddites never win.
The comparisons you made with this throughout history is very apt. Just extrapolate that into the future and you will see where we are headed with our political parties.
ndigenous hunter-gatherers and immigrant farmers lived side-by-side for more than 2,000 years in Central Europe, before the hunter-gatherer communities died out or adopted the agricultural lifestyle. The results come from a study undertaken by the Institute of Anthropology at Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz (JGU) that has just been published in the eminent journal Science. A team led by Mainz anthropologist Professor Joachim Burger studied bones from the 'Blätterhöhle' cave near Hagen in Germany, where both hunter-gatherers and farmers were buried. "It is commonly assumed that the Central European hunter-gatherers disappeared soon after the arrival of farmers," said Dr. Ruth Bollongino, lead author of the study. "But our study shows that the descendants of Mesolithic Europeans maintained their hunter-gatherer way of life and lived in parallel with the immigrant farmers, for at least 2,000 years. The hunter-gathering lifestyle thus only died out in Central Europe around 5,000 years ago, much later than previously thought."
“We see clear evidence that people from hunter-gatherer groups were incorporated into farming groups as they expanded across Europe. This might be clues towards something that happens also when agriculture spread to other parts of the world,” Dr Skoglund said.
originally posted by: twfau
It looks like it was a gradual assimilation into the agricultural way of life, a process which took over 2,000 years to happen. I'd imagine the larger access to food from agriculture was more useful during more periods of drought and it was much easier to have more children when you're living on a farm.
originally posted by: Spider879
Thanks guys and Gals very informative info,but there was a seemingly special group of HGs that threw a monkey wrench in the low population density theory,that of the folks who constructed Göbekli Tepe can you very bright people hazard a guesstimate of the probable population of the folks who built that complex, the later first farmers the Natufians were equally impressive but they seemed less secure as they built their complex with a wall and a watch tower at Jericho,off whom were they afraid?
originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
originally posted by: Spider879
Thanks guys and Gals very informative info,but there was a seemingly special group of HGs that threw a monkey wrench in the low population density theory,that of the folks who constructed Göbekli Tepe can you very bright people hazard a guesstimate of the probable population of the folks who built that complex, the later first farmers the Natufians were equally impressive but they seemed less secure as they built their complex with a wall and a watch tower at Jericho,off whom were they afraid?
GT wasn't a settlement so I am not sure that that is in anyway a fair comparison. In terms of what the people of Jericho were scared of, the construction of the wall suggests, primarily, flash floods and land slides.
originally posted by: Spider879
Yeah I am not saying GT was a settlement but the amount of work that went into that temple complex had to have had a population that was significant, the folks at Jericho also had a watch tower,that could be used as a look out for flash floods but my money is on marauding bands of..HGs??
originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
originally posted by: Spider879
Yeah I am not saying GT was a settlement but the amount of work that went into that temple complex had to have had a population that was significant, the folks at Jericho also had a watch tower,that could be used as a look out for flash floods but my money is on marauding bands of..HGs??
The thing with GT though was that it wasn't built in one go, it looks huge, but it represents several 'builds', in fills and re-builds. Of course, it still would have required a significant group, however, by the latest phase those builders seem to have been settling down themselves, some distance from GT but still getting together there for festivities. Plus, you have to consider that the population of Catal Hoyuk was, at a conservative estimate, around 5000. It is highly doubtful that even grouped together, that the H/Gs could equal that.
In terms of the wall of Jericho, contemporary to that period, it does not seem to have circled the whole settlement. There is nothing at the eastern side. Most of the emphasis, including the eight metre high tower, was at the eastern side, facing the threat of flood and mud slides. The increase in rainfall, combined with de-vegetation of the Palestinian hills seem to have been the primary threat to the settlement. That they stayed there, and why after it was abandoned it was repeatedly settled, was because of the fresh water spring. By the fourth occupation though, the Biblical Jericho, the land had been raised to the extent that flooding was no longer a risk. The danger then lay with 'marauding' bands of pastoralists.
That said, you may find this thread that I wrote a while back of interest...
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