a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
As I said I like to evaluate each issue without muddying the water.
Do we really have to break all these things down into tiny little components so that people don't have to be uncomfortable when the issue as a whole
Well when talking about the pipeline I think it is perfectly fine to include issues that are included to the pipeline.
Really, one can pretend that the environmentalists desire to place animals and plants over humans cannot be separated entirely from the XL pipeline
The only animal I am worried about is the human animal and environmentally speaking if our source of water becomes tainted because of an oil spill I
would consider that a problem.
We can pretend all we want that we only care that the pipeline is not going to be beneficial to Americans, but not everyone agrees on that point, as
many people have pointed out that it will create jobs in a sorely depressed job market.
Now you are addressing the issue. So how many jobs? For how long? After it is built how many permanent jobs are left? From what I have read they say
it will actually eliminate jobs once it is built for a net loss. That in my opinion is a bandaid for the job market which only covers up the problem
for a short time and the wound actually gets bigger. If you can show that is false I would be inclined to change my mind.
So what say you about that? Energy as a whole in America has to be considered, as Progressives clearly want to sack the coal industry as well as put
down fracking, and I guess because they really believe that solar and wind should replace at all costs, even if poor people cannot afford their
electric bill from it. Such is the way of Progressive altruism.
Now you have gone on to other issues with the typical progressive blah, blah, blah, yada, yada. I already told you I don't care whom the information
comes from, but I do care if the information is factual/correct. The pipeline as far as I know isn't tied to fracking, solar, or wind. Those are three
separate issues and the only thing they have in common is they are energy sources.
AS far as the cost of energy goes well if you have anything factual numbers wise that you can present I would be happy to look at it, but otherwise
that is a claim from you which I see no supporting evidence to back it up.
Anyway back to the issue of jobs being created by the pipeline well that has been a real issue but if we are only talking about a thousand jobs for 6
months or even a year then I can't get behind that. They are temporary jobs and a temporary fix I want to see long term solutions.
On top of that the project is said to cost you and I 7 billion dollars to put maybe a 1 thousand people to work for a year and at the end of the
project those thousand people will be right back where they started without jobs and it is said there will be a net loss in permanent jobs plus I
haven't seen anything to suggest the pipeline will do anything to lower energy cost for the US.
Does that about sum up the proposed pipeline project? Whats there not to love about that. lol
Interestingly, some opposition may not even be that altruistic, but rather financial, like this gulfdogs.wordpress.com...
It says some that have voted against the pipeline have between 15 and 50k invested in Kinder Morgans diversified energy which is a competing interest
that has a proposal for another pipeline of the same nature.
1st my position on a competing pipeline is the same as this one. I am against it based off the information I have atm. Keep in mind I have just read a
little on it since your post. As far as 15 to 50k invested in the company if you want to make an issue out of that you can but I am not so inclined.
They have diversified interest and projects. Their average stock is at about $75.35. Is being invested in them nefarious? Well I don't know but I
certainly don't support a pipeline by them either. Maybe the guy should withdraw his investment from that company if he was smart he would that would
certainly clear things up a bit but to be honest with you 15 to 50k isn't that much to those people. Hell I might even have stock in them through my
401 I would have to look. Now 50K to me is a large sum, but to people who have millions I wouldn't think so.
When it comes to politicians and investments...well that issue I could write a thread about because I really don't believe they should have the
liberties to profit off of legislative decisions like they do now but as my grandmother it is what it is.
Political corruption...you don't say. Anyway my position about the pipeline has nothing to do with the left or right as I have said before it is about
whether I believe it would be a benefit to the nation or a detriment and as things stand and the information I have seen I see it as a
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