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If you are correct then we have nothing but time and raises the question of why are you shatting here then.
UxoriousMagnus
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
it would take a month to get through your link....are you freaking kidding me!?
you tie our hands unless we read through your link.....expect this thread to go......nowhere.
oh....and it's all crap.....everything has already been fulfilled.
deadeyedick
If you are correct then we have nothing but time and raises the question of why are you shatting here then.
UxoriousMagnus
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
it would take a month to get through your link....are you freaking kidding me!?
you tie our hands unless we read through your link.....expect this thread to go......nowhere.
oh....and it's all crap.....everything has already been fulfilled.
WarminIndy
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
I believe that with history, time might be chronological, meaning that it goes forward, but also cyclical. That's why we see events repeating themselves throughout history.
A cyclical time for tribulation events? Certainly.
Case in point: Revelation says that 1/3 of mankind would be destroyed, 1/3 of all Europeans were killed in the Black Plague.
Another case in point : When God made Adam and Eve, He blessed them and told them to go and "replenish" the earth. To replenish means to add back what was taken out, so that suggests a great event that happened before. Some say that is called tohu wabohu.
I don't think we should approach the Bible as straight chronology, because there are many cyclical things that happen, and happen again, throughout history.edit on 3/31/2014 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)
Darby admitted that he had been influenced by the writings of the Jesuit De Lacunza
www.upwardcall.net...
The early church NEVER believed in a pre-trib rapture. The Reformers NEVER believed in a pre-trib rapture.
Only the CURRENT CHURCH believes in a pre-trib rapture. It has fallen away from a post tribulation, SINGLE EVENT rapture and coming of the Lord.
The apostasy of a Pre-tribulation Rapture has been brought upon us by FUTURISM, a Jesuit, Rome inspired doctrine to keep our eyes off the POPE and the mystery religion of Rome.
Where the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory Came From and Why You Shouldn’t Believe It
UxoriousMagnus
WarminIndy
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
I believe that with history, time might be chronological, meaning that it goes forward, but also cyclical. That's why we see events repeating themselves throughout history.
A cyclical time for tribulation events? Certainly.
Case in point: Revelation says that 1/3 of mankind would be destroyed, 1/3 of all Europeans were killed in the Black Plague.
Another case in point : When God made Adam and Eve, He blessed them and told them to go and "replenish" the earth. To replenish means to add back what was taken out, so that suggests a great event that happened before. Some say that is called tohu wabohu.
I don't think we should approach the Bible as straight chronology, because there are many cyclical things that happen, and happen again, throughout history.edit on 3/31/2014 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)
where does it say "replenish"? It says be fruitful and multiply....I can't find "replenish"
also...you have to remember WHO the new testament was written to.....you are aware that they are letters ... right? The New Testament was written to the Jews of that time....so when Revelations says a third of the people will be wiped out....it means a third of the Jews .... and now go see how many the Romans wiped out....
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:27-29
UxoriousMagnus
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
it would take a month to get through your link....are you freaking kidding me!?
you tie our hands unless we read through your link.....expect this thread to go......nowhere.
oh....and it's all crap.....everything has already been fulfilled. So, yes I am a preterist
edit on 31-3-2014 by UxoriousMagnus because: (no reason given)
BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by WarminIndy
I agree with you. I too consider myself non-denominational, however, I do see some truth in both dispesationalism and parts of preterism, so for the sake of categorization, I do lable myself from time to time. By the same token, my ideas are almost universally rejected by dispensationalists and preterists alike because while I do believe in the pre-tribulational rapture, I am also called a "date-setter". I also believe in both predestination and free will to be two sides of the same coin.
Its not wrong to absorb the teachings of multiple denominations. I simply take their claims, throw them at the bible and see what sticks. After all, "we know in part until the perfect comes". The point is, we cannot be anchored into one denomination, the word of God is above all denominations.
In this particular case, the bible's meter explicitly states that there are two 7 year tribulations present, one fulfilled, and one to come, and the Church will not be a part of the one to come. These are not the only times of tribulation mentioned in the bible, but they are the ones that can reconcile the chasm between preterism and futurism. In doing so with the meter, a case for clear cut dispensations or covenant-ages becomes more obvious.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
amos 5 The Coming Judgment
UxoriousMagnus
deadeyedick
If you are correct then we have nothing but time and raises the question of why are you shatting here then.
UxoriousMagnus
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
it would take a month to get through your link....are you freaking kidding me!?
you tie our hands unless we read through your link.....expect this thread to go......nowhere.
oh....and it's all crap.....everything has already been fulfilled.
that is where you are wrong....time is of the essence .... we need to be spreading the word of God...the teachings of Christ.
but death (absence from God in the afterlife) has been bound. Jesus has set up the new Kingdom....
let me ask you this....if you died right now....where would you go? If you say "Why, Heaven of course!"....then the new Kingdom must be set up and waiting for you. And if this is true....then everything is fulfilled.
as for me shatting?.....grow up
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The bible's meter shows that God dispenses time to humanity in installments of 490+70+490 years. This is a total of 1,050 years. First, at least one person must mature enough in faith for God to award 490 years of existance to the world. Then, comes a 70 year period for believers to choose the path of progressive faith-maturity. If enough believers vote yes to walking the path of faith, God provides another 490 years for at least one person to mature. The last 50 years (jubilee) of the last 490 of the 1,050 year block is a time for non-believes to convert. If there arent enough new believers, then God cannot justify giving the world the opportunity to earn another 490 years. This is what Gabriel meant when he told Daniel that 70 weeks of years were decreed to complete the transgression of Israel. These 70 weeks represent the last 490 years of Israel's Age. This is the basis for the 70th Week, which is the last 7 years of Israel's Age, aka the Tribulation of the Book of Revelation - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...