Obama Admin Released Tens of Thousands of Illegal Immigrant Criminals 68,000 back into USA!!!!

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posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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I just read where California is getting read for that large influx of Democrats!


LA MESA, Calif. - A local couple called 10News concerned after they received an envelope from the state's Obamacare website, Covered California. Inside was a letter discussing voter registration and a registration card pre-marked with an "x" in the box next to Democratic Party.

The couple – who did not want their identity revealed – received the letter and voter registration card from their health insurance provider Covered California, the state-run agency that implements President Obama's Affordable Care Act.

Sign up thru Ca. for Obamacare get a pre filled out

I understand their pushing very hard in the Latino communities to get the Obamacare numbers up.
Hmmmmmm, they figured their already Democrats!!!!




posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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So far the evidence we've got:

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(1) The Breitbart Article About the CIS Article by Jessica Vaughan
(2) The CIS Article "Catch and Release" by Jessica Vaughan, March 31, 2014.
(3) A document purported to be an interior ICE document linked at the bottom of the Breitbart article in PDF.

I want to introduce another piece of data into the consideration here: (4) Official ICE Report for FY 2013 Removals (Also, the relevant page at the ICE website where that file is presented is ICE 2013 Removals

(1) The Breitbart Article basically just snips out material from (2) "Catch and Release" so I consider (2) the primary document of the two.

Page 2 of item (3) above is a summary page. It lists "FY 13 Encounters" as 721,976 (I believe Ms. Vaughan rounds this off to 722,000 in her report). It lists "FY 2013 CDI" as 194,861 (I believe Ms. Vaughan rounds this off to 195,000 in her report.). Page 1 of Item (3) is the Table of Contents for the report and defines "CDI" as "Charging Documents Issued." Ms. Vaughan then contends that 722,000 - 195,000 equals "hundreds of thousands" that could have been deported that weren't because of lax Obama guidelines, according to Ms. Vaughan.

Yet, on that same summary page (pg. 2 of item (3)) we have this statement: Total Departures 368,644 in two different locations (a monthly tally (right hand side of page 2) and a summary criminal/non-criminal (left hand side of page 2).

In the published ICE Summary Document for FY 2013 (Item (4)) we have 368,644 removals in FY13.

I'm submitting here that the actual number of removals (deportations) in FY13 by ICE were therefore 368,644 since this number is identical in both the Official and the "Unofficial" documents we have as evidence.

Now, as to the "68,000 criminals released" calculation: On page 4 of Item (3) there are three tables. ERO Encounters by AOR, ERO Charging Documents Issued (CDI) BY AOR and ERO Detainers by AOR. All three tables compare totals from FY13 and FY12.

Ms. Vaughan takes the Total from the Encounters table for FY13 in the column labeled as Criminal 193,537 and subtracts from that the Total from the Charging Documents Issued for the column labelled as Criminal 125,478. That difference is 68,059. Ms. Vaughn alleges that this means that 68,059 Criminals were simply released on the public.

Let's look at those two tables again.

If we take the total of the Criminal and Non-Criminal columns from the Encounters table we get 721,976.

If we take the total of the Criminal and Non-Criminal columns from the Charging Documents Issued table we get 194,861.

We've seen those numbers before: Ms. Vaughan rounds those off to 722,000 and 195,000 in her initial statement about "hundreds of thousands of potential deportees just released."

So, we've worked our way back around to the beginning, utilizing three pieces of evidence: the Vaughan article, the Official ICE Report and the "Unofficial Report."

Yet, we have one number left over from both the Official and Unofficial ICE Reports that Vaughan doesn't care to explain to us: 368,644 removals in FY13

In her exhaustive analysis (and you thought this post was bad) she completely ignores this number: 368,644 removals in FY13.

The material Vaughan used to compile her numbers agrees with this total.

Why would she ignore such a basically important number: the US deported 368,644 people in FY 13 ?

In short, because it doesn't fit with her anti-immigration/anti-Obama administration agenda.

For those of you that have ever worked for the Federal, State or local governments, you realize that the terminology used in reports is INTENDED to be inscrutable to anyone without a code sheet.

The term "Encounters" for example does not simply mean "brought into custody" but may include detainers from previous years, or from other departments within and outside DHS that are involved in the process like U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), U.S. Department of State as well as U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) etc. (Source)

The term "Charging Documents Issued" refers to a very specific procedure conducted by the "ERO" Enforcement and Removal Operations which is a department within ICE. (Source)

In summary, as opposed to what Breitbart and Vaughan spin up, in FY 2013, 368,644 illegals left this country and 216,810 of those were criminals. Those numbers are higher than the five previous fiscal years.

FY 2013 Removals Summary Report
edit on 19Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:45:23 -050014p072014366 by Gryphon66 because: Added sources for every claim.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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The term "Encounters" for example does not simply mean "brought into custody" but may include detainers from previous years, or from other departments within DHS, etc.

 


How could the DHS determine if criminals had records if they didn't detain them?

And how did you conclude "previous years"? Why would they do that?

Are they cooking the books? (maybe the number is actually much higher)

The 68,000 criminals were released and that number is not nominal or coincidental, it's intentional IMO.

It's all in the DHS report (the same report is in both Breitbart and referenced in the CIS story that Breitbart cited).

And to add; the deportation rate is not enough with 12 million estimated illegals here in the U.S.

They need to enforce the entire law, not selectively.

a criminal is a criminal is a criminal.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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I think you unintentionally left an important piece of your article out ...



10News shared what was sent with Covered California.

Spokeswoman Anne Gonzales stated, "We are mailing voter registration material. However, the application forms come directly from the Secretary of State's office, with no fields pre-marked. The individual should contact the Secretary of State, which takes these violations of election law extremely seriously, and they will investigate, using the unique serial number."


1 report of "pre-marking" in 107,087 Obamacare signups in California. (Source - Business Insider.com ...

What does that come out to ... 0.000934% ... If the Democrats think they're going to take California with that kind of percentage ...

Wait, California is ALREADY considered predominately Democrat, right?

I think we're going to have to have more evidence before we can call this anything but an isolated prank.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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Your question doesn't make any sense to me in terms of my statement that you quoted especially the part that "but may include detainers from previous years, or from other departments within DHS, etc."

I included links to BOTH "DHS" reports (actually it's ICE but who's counting) in my post.

Previous years because the Tables VERY CLEARLY combine information from FY12, and the notes indicate other spans of time.

I think someone isn't reading my posts or the articles but is just scanning for something to quibble about. *shame-shame*


What do you make of the 368,644 REMOVALS that both the Official and Unoffical "DHS" Reports AGREE ON, Xuenchen?

That was ignored in the Breitbart, Vaughan articles and in your post? Care to weigh in?
edit on 20Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:14:41 -050014p082014366 by Gryphon66 because: Clear.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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Would someone PLEASE get rid of this threat to our national security. This is beyond ridiculous what Congress is letting him do to our nation.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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Obama isn't as frightening as Reagan or Bush II. He reminds me more of Bush I or Carter ... probably too cerebral to be an effective President. He's certainly not a scrapper like Clinton or Reagan.


In terms of the topic focus of immigration? I agree with you that Obama is a weak leader and generally ineffective president. That's worse.

W. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and others were strong leaders with strong subordinates. Things didn't happen that they didn't WANT to have happen and woe be the fool below them who would cross them in a way to cost a major public issue. You recall some of the scandals as well as I do and the truth in both their personal strength over their own people as well as a vicious streak each, I believe, did carry for scores to settle with anyone who burned them.

Obama...delegates. He's off here, there and everywhere for speeches, fundraisers, campaigning and stumping...lame duck or not, there are hundreds of other candidates to stump for and well, it's suddenly the President's job or something. Go figure.

Who runs the Cabinet when he's focused elsewhere? That was Cheney under Bush. It was Bush H.W. under Reagan. They could both handle it. Biden is deliberately sent on distant trips when public attention is most uncomfortable for his goofs..

So Obama isn't as strong ...and so do we actually BLAME him for the release of these criminal immigrants? Do we actually blame HIM for Benghazi? (I don't, and generally, never have). Do we blame him for the IRS? (do we REALLY think he made time to review and decide individual applications or even direct action on a group of applications?).

He runs a loose ship and looser than most before him. Government still runs ...and if he isn't running it, it runs itself. When he allows it, it runs itself wild. It has been...since 2009 and that last fleeting glimpse we ever got of things like a budget.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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See... that's what's confusing to me Wrabbit about the right-winger's ... either Obama is a incompetent weakling who does nothing but travel or he's the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith with designs on a World Communist-Fascist Empire ...

I'm not saying you make those comparisons yourself ... but those are the comparisons that are generally made in this context.

And that's "my opinion."



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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The focus of the Breitbart article is on the criminals that were released, not on deportations.

My number from the DHS report is 67,879 for fy2013 according to their chart on page 4 of the pdf.

No combining of other years were used by me as a guess as to where the "68,000" came from (that was the original problem).

I pointed the whole thing out a couple of pages ago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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As for the deportation numbers.... Hip Hip Hooray
!!!!

Annual removals have increased for more than 10 years and returns have decreased (*new thread trigger point*)


But it's too low as long as they refuse to get all 12 million and selectively pick & choose enforcement IMO.




posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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Well, it is important to note I'm a reformed right winger. My life change came around the time of the 2012 election, for it to be dramatic enough in disgust with it all to remember quite clearly. I am absolutely not what anyone could call a right winger by how that term has come to be defined. As I knew it earlier in my life? Yup...but that's been a fluid changing term as much as left wing has, though. Neither are the nature or spirit of what they once were. They're rotten ...to the core. Politically? Right and Left both.

The main difference anymore between the far right and the far left is, each example doesn't see it in their own far end....while the other does.

Now if only the two sides could at least see those closer to center stop and talk long enough to realize how much isn't all that different after all. We have common ultimate goals. Not conflicting ones. Whatever worldviews differ in ideology? That can all be sorted out later, if 'the people united' ever even get far enough for it to matter. I doubt anyone ever does for the apathy outside the political "professionals" running the whole show.
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posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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Gryphon66
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I think you unintentionally left an important piece of your article out ...



10News shared what was sent with Covered California.

Spokeswoman Anne Gonzales stated, "We are mailing voter registration material. However, the application forms come directly from the Secretary of State's office, with no fields pre-marked. The individual should contact the Secretary of State, which takes these violations of election law extremely seriously, and they will investigate, using the unique serial number."


1 report of "pre-marking" in 107,087 Obamacare signups in California. (Source - Business Insider.com ...

What does that come out to ... 0.000934% ... If the Democrats think they're going to take California with that kind of percentage ...

Wait, California is ALREADY considered predominately Democrat, right?

I think we're going to have to have more evidence before we can call this anything but an isolated prank.


No, actually I intentionally made sure the correct link was there so every one with a any intelligence at all could read the article.
You can call it an isolated prank, I'll call it how I see it, Presumption!



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 07:45 AM
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I saw they broke it down now to 168 PER DAY!!!!!

I see a lot of flutter but no answering my question(s).

1: If someone set out to destroy the USA, what would they do differently than Obama & Co?

2: If you don't like the 68,000 number, what number is okay for you as a certain LARGE amount are being released.

3: Confirmation you provided your home address to ICE and notice to drop off and ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT IS A CRIMINAL at your door step. Enjoy.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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In through the out door. One guy was arrested 14 times. It's just a revolving door with illegals.




posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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That's just it Wrabbit ... the People AREN'T united anymore, if they ever were. I have a AB in History, but my focus had been the ancient world. In the last few years, I've been reading intensively in American history, and I can say, we've always been split ideologically down the middle.

Federalists and Republicans, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs, Republicans and Democrats, frick and frack.

You said that the Right and Left are equally rotten these days. I agree if we're talking about the professional politicians that occupy the official categories, the people that are driven by the need for power and control strongly enough to work their way into politics, and then keep themselves there.

The people ... yes, some of them are rotten to the core. The ideas? I'm not so sure.

Through much of American history though, the given two sides had their battles, had their rhetoric, had their theatrics ... but then, they got down to governance. That has been lost.

We the People are now so diametrically opposed to each other because we have been literally programmed to be that way. You said you were a recovering right-winger, Wrabbit ... it's pretty obvious I'm an old-school Democrat, I guess, although I haven't seen a Democrat in the last 10 years or so that was worth a damn and the Party itself has become so diffuse and scattered in its interests that it has no real essence anymore.

But, I can see that both of the professional "sides" are not really sides. They all have one goal; re-election.

This thread is a perfect example. There are those here that don't even think to question the Breitbart article. Read it. It's a very badly-written article, merely structurally and stylistically. And no one has any doubt that Breitbart is a political function of the Repubicans/Right-wingers, etc. To pretend that it's objective is just ludicrous.

Yet, we see several members above who have taken it as virtual holy writ. Regardless of the glaringly obvious questions.

Does it even make sense that 68,000 criminals would just be released? Why? There's too much money for political cronies in the corrupt prison administration system. But pffft, I've demonstrated the facts of that inconsistency, and of course, that didn't even dent the fender of the True Believers here.

But, really. Obama is destroying America. I hear that and my eyes roll back in my head and spin like a slot machine. What horse-puck! Irrational, illogical, BRAINWASHING.

Obama is Bush II's third term. Obama is a corporatist. He's about as far from a Communist or Socialist as one man can be.

Yet that whole "package" of memes, maxims, sayings, slogans concocted in the Right Wing Echo Chamber just gets repeated and repeated and repeated here. I had higher hopes when I joined ATS.

Differences of opinion, sure. Based on facts, logic, reasoning, history and understanding. Not who can screech the loudest or longest.

Cheers. Delete if necessary.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Gryphon66
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That's just it Wrabbit ... the People AREN'T united anymore, if they ever were. I have a AB in History, but my focus had been the ancient world. In the last few years, I've been reading intensively in American history, and I can say, we've always been split ideologically down the middle.

Federalists and Republicans, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs, Republicans and Democrats, frick and frack.

You said that the Right and Left are equally rotten these days. I agree if we're talking about the professional politicians that occupy the official categories, the people that are driven by the need for power and control strongly enough to work their way into politics, and then keep themselves there.

The people ... yes, some of them are rotten to the core. The ideas? I'm not so sure.

Through much of American history though, the given two sides had their battles, had their rhetoric, had their theatrics ... but then, they got down to governance. That has been lost.

We the People are now so diametrically opposed to each other because we have been literally programmed to be that way. You said you were a recovering right-winger, Wrabbit ... it's pretty obvious I'm an old-school Democrat, I guess, although I haven't seen a Democrat in the last 10 years or so that was worth a damn and the Party itself has become so diffuse and scattered in its interests that it has no real essence anymore.

But, I can see that both of the professional "sides" are not really sides. They all have one goal; re-election.

This thread is a perfect example. There are those here that don't even think to question the Breitbart article. Read it. It's a very badly-written article, merely structurally and stylistically. And no one has any doubt that Breitbart is a political function of the Repubicans/Right-wingers, etc. To pretend that it's objective is just ludicrous.

Yet, we see several members above who have taken it as virtual holy writ. Regardless of the glaringly obvious questions.

Does it even make sense that 68,000 criminals would just be released? Why? There's too much money for political cronies in the corrupt prison administration system. But pffft, I've demonstrated the facts of that inconsistency, and of course, that didn't even dent the fender of the True Believers here.

But, really. Obama is destroying America. I hear that and my eyes roll back in my head and spin like a slot machine. What horse-puck! Irrational, illogical, BRAINWASHING.

Obama is Bush II's third term. Obama is a corporatist. He's about as far from a Communist or Socialist as one man can be.

Yet that whole "package" of memes, maxims, sayings, slogans concocted in the Right Wing Echo Chamber just gets repeated and repeated and repeated here. I had higher hopes when I joined ATS.

Differences of opinion, sure. Based on facts, logic, reasoning, history and understanding. Not who can screech the loudest or longest.

Cheers. Delete if necessary.





Excellant post that I dont want to see deleted so I quoted it. Sorry I butted in.
68,000 released is pure economics. Cheaper and more profitable to release than deport.
I don't agree with it but its a reality.

You have brought up excellent points in your post. Thank you for a well thought out post! [even if it was a response to another poster]
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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Not surprised that Round 2 of the Right Wing Media Cartel exploded with this today ..

(i.e. Fox News Channel)

And now, for Round 3, another DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE on this "Issue"

New Report from Center for Immigration Studies on Deportation Misdirects and Misinforms



“A new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) makes a range of false claims about deportation data. First their claim that out of 722,000 “potentially deportable aliens” encountered by Immigration and Customs Enforcement only 195,000 were charged is completely misleading. As a result of dragnet programs like Secure Communities, any foreign-born individual that that comes into contact with law-enforcement likely falls into 722,000 number cited by CIS. Thus, this number includes immigrants (including long time permanent residents) whose interaction with law enforcement was so minor that they are not even legally subject to removal. In fact, that data likely includes U.S. citizens as well. CIS is essentially asserting that a legal-permanent resident or a recently naturalized citizen with a broken tail light should be charged by ICE and removed from the country although there is no basis in law for such action.


Now wait, even though that makes a lot more sense ... surely no one would just make such numbers up, wholesale ... would they?



“Second, the claim that only 195,000 were charged by ICE is completely misleading. Sadly, it isn’t necessary to be “charged” by ICE in order to be removed from the country. For instance, this “charged” number does not include the 159,624 people who were removed based on the reinstatement of a prior removal order or the 23,455 that were voluntarily returned to their country of birth. And, the number likely does not include the additional 101,000 that were removed from the U.S. based on an expedited removal order, where they were summarily removed without ever having a chance to take their case before a judge or receive any meaningful due process.


Wow. Yeah, I think someone mentioned that ICE wasn't the only way that "aliens" were removed from the country. But, what about the 68,000 criminals released?



“Furthermore, the report claims ICE “released” 68,000 “criminal aliens” yet fails to explain that being released is not the equivalent of being set-free. Being released from ICE custody often means being issued a notice to appear in court, released with an ankle bracelet or released under an order of supervision. These details were conveniently left out of the CIS analysis.


Now, just as the Center for Immigration Studies is "anti-immigration" and has repeatedly proven that they don't mind making up data when it fits their agenda ... we would have to say that the American Immigration Council is "pro-immigration." Here is a link to their "About Us" information ... American Immigration Council - About Us. Check it out and discover for yourself.

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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Well, for much of your message, it could be something I wrote myself and about myself for how closely we overlap in thoughts. Some, we're pretty far apart on. Most though? Well, we agree 100% and then some on the political 'class' and that being the problem to focus on. Corruption. Right/Left and through to the core.

Average people? I'll say I know quite a few Democrats..but they are how you describe yourself. Old Democrat. Traditional Democrat. Just as I might well have been comfortable with Republican at one time. The "Parties" aren't what any decent, normal person should be able to get behind...but as you note as well, it's programmed. We've been taught and trained to look at politics in the same mental frame as sports. My team vs. your team and my team is Godlike!......except, of course, this isn't for score and our childrens future is a heck of a thing to play that approach with.

On Immigration here, again? I don't take Breitbart for the time of day at high noon. The released figure is likely pretty close if not a bit low though. Visit data.gov at some point, if you're familiar with spreadsheet programs or databases which can read CSV files. Within that rather vast archive of Government raw data files are those on Immigration enforcement for things like what nation every one has come from or been returned to for the last 10+ years. How many they were and where or what circumstances they were arrested..and release stats. That's where I get my data from on things like this. People cite the media...and I sigh.

Go to where THEY go to get THEIR material before writing a story to totally change the meaning. (Note to clarify: I'm referring to Media changing the meaning of raw data.)

In terms of Obama? He's got the bag of blame, even if it's not his doing. He's the captain of the ship as it's running all over the ocean like a drunkard. He's the man the buck stops with. He could deflect that by seeing subordinates stand to account for what they've done on what I believe have been largely personal crusades among his Cabinet members ...but he doesn't do that. It's his to hold. (and it was Bushes..when he was in. As no one let him forget while he was there)

Speaking of accountability in terms of your last concern? If I ever deleted or helped to see a post removed on personal feelings or politics? I'd have my own version of an accounting to face. That is a fact. ATS staff runs the spectrum on political beliefs and world views.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 06:03 PM
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Let me immediately correct my own laziness Wrabbit: as I drifted off I was speaking to an imagined Moderator who would quite rightly cite that last post as wandering off topic. No, no, you've made it very clear in the past that you don't moderate where you post, and even if you hadn't, I wouldn't even think of that in regard to this. If that makes sense.

I will hazard a guess and say our perspectives align where they do because in general, more than making political hay for one side or the other, we're interested in the truth, or, at least, the best logical reasonable facts we can find on a topic. As I age, I'm thinking "truth" may be, mostly, illusory, along with "justice" and "the American way."





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