UN general assembly calls Crimea vote illegal

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The vote on the Ukraine-sponsored resolution was 100 countries in favour, 11 opposed and 58 abstentions.

The "yes" vote was higher than many diplomats had predicted, and the fact that more than half the 193 UN member states supported the resolution reflected widespread international opposition to Russia's military intervention and takeover of the strategic Black Sea region.

Unlike the more powerful Security Council, resolutions in the General Assembly cannot be vetoed but are not legally binding.

The irony of it all is the fact that while they voted to call it illegal, the vote is not "legally binding". Therefore this whole show is not important and I'm posting it under "Other current events".

In any case, my question is this: If the votes by millions of people of Crimea to secede from Ukraine is not valid, why should votes by 100 outsiders in the UN General Assembly be deemed any more valid?

The people in Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia and that means nothing to the idiots at the UN who do not even live in Crimea.

Just because part of a nation wants to switch does not mean it all has to switch, The government of the Ukraine is not the same government body that it was before. There was a hostile takeover of the Ukraine by a sect of people.

I think the people in Crimea should be able to do what they want, since when did the governments that are supposed to be Democratic turn to dictatorships over other people.

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Whoopy doo big scary UN council. You can vote however you want, but you'll have to go to war with Russia to get Crimea back.

Bet no-one that just voted has the stomach to act upon this latest finding and do something about it.

markosity1973
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Whoopy doo big scary UN council. You can vote however you want, but you'll have to go to war with Russia to get Crimea back.

Bet no-one that just voted has the stomach to act upon this latest finding and do something about it.

War? Why would they need to go to war? They are wrecking Russias economy and it is just going to get worse and worse for Russia. What is telling is that Iran and China did chose to abstain instead of vote no in support of Russia. Of course nobody wants to support the idea that somebody can send troops into part of your country, make the locals vote with your troops in the street and then make that vote some how legal. If that was considered ok, everybody would start doing it.

MrSpad

markosity1973
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Whoopy doo big scary UN council. You can vote however you want, but you'll have to go to war with Russia to get Crimea back.

Bet no-one that just voted has the stomach to act upon this latest finding and do something about it.

War? Why would they need to go to war? They are wrecking Russias economy and it is just going to get worse and worse for Russia. What is telling is that Iran and China did chose to abstain instead of vote no in support of Russia. Of course nobody wants to support the idea that somebody can send troops into part of your country, make the locals vote with your troops in the street and then make that vote some how legal. If that was considered ok, everybody would start doing it.

As opposed to send nazi thugs to overthrow the elected government? Hum ok...

MrSpad Of course nobody wants to support the idea that somebody can send troops into part of your country, make the locals vote with your troops in the street and then make that vote some how legal. If that was considered ok, everybody would start doing it.

So what exactly is the West opposing? Russia sending troops to defend Crimeans? How about the unwelcomed actions NATO and the US have been taking in other countries? It has been Russia's mistake not to make them a bigger issue when they happened. This is a lesson learnt.

You can't send troops into another country if the local people do not want you there. that would be called an invasion - something that the US and NATO are all too familiar with. It seems this is not exactly what is happening in Crimea.

If it is the process that these 100 countries are questioning, we still have not heard anyone of them proposing another round of local voting with tighter oversight. A the moment, it does look like the western nations will ensure the people of Crimes will never be able to speak for themselves, doesn't it? If condoned, this will send a dangerous message... Ye shall remain victims of more powerful bullies forever.

Not really......the mills of the Gods grind slow....but they grind exceedingly fine.....
Its going to take a lot more wrangling to sort out the mess than you think.....

Well isn't this a nice thing for the UN to do. They have the gall to tell the citizens of Crimea we don't care what you want we will tell you what to do with your nation. The people of Crimea should scream to the UN in one loud voice FU and your vote.

Yusomad

MrSpad

markosity1973
reply to post by Kurius

 

Whoopy doo big scary UN council. You can vote however you want, but you'll have to go to war with Russia to get Crimea back.

Bet no-one that just voted has the stomach to act upon this latest finding and do something about it.

War? Why would they need to go to war? They are wrecking Russias economy and it is just going to get worse and worse for Russia. What is telling is that Iran and China did chose to abstain instead of vote no in support of Russia. Of course nobody wants to support the idea that somebody can send troops into part of your country, make the locals vote with your troops in the street and then make that vote some how legal. If that was considered ok, everybody would start doing it.

As opposed to send nazi thugs to overthrow the elected government? Hum ok...

Sorry we are talking about reality here not fanatsy/propoganda etc. If "Nazi thugs" had taken over the elected goverment then Nations that like Russia would at least have reason to support them instead of turning their backs on them in discust. Let me put is this way, as soon as you start blaiming everything on Nazis, and chance at credibility is lost. However this being ATS, fantasty is often chosen over reality.

Funny.

When you have a referendum, and when it's against the interests of the West, and people massively vote to join another country, then the UN calls it illegal. But on the other hand, when you didn't have a referendum( Kosovo), but it was okay with the West, then it's legal to declare independence.

Democracy.

Kurius

MrSpad Of course nobody wants to support the idea that somebody can send troops into part of your country, make the locals vote with your troops in the street and then make that vote some how legal. If that was considered ok, everybody would start doing it.

So what exactly is the West opposing? Russia sending troops to defend Crimeans? How about the unwelcomed actions NATO and the US have been taking in other countries? It has been Russia's mistake not to make them a bigger issue when they happened. This is a lesson learnt.

You can't send troops into another country if the local people do not want you there. that would be called an invasion - something that the US and NATO are all too familiar with. It seems this is not exactly what is happening in Crimea.

If it is the process that these 100 countries are questioning, we still have not heard anyone of them proposing another round of local voting with tighter oversight. A the moment, it does look like the western nations will ensure the people of Crimes will never be able to speak for themselves, doesn't it? If condoned, this will send a dangerous message... Ye shall remain victims of more powerful bullies forever.

edit on 28-3-2014 by Kurius because: (no reason given)

You know what is funny? That anybody thinks that the people in Crimea were some how unhappy or wanting to become a part of Russia. It is odd that not until the Russian began arriving with armed troops that suddenly the people in Crimea wanted to do anything beyong go about their lives. What is even more funny is that anybody things that was a legit vote, granted most of the Planet sees it the other way. I guess you can find people that will believe anything. When your only voting options are join Russia (who has troops in your streets) or go back 14 years and be a more automous entity it is odd they did not have the option keep things as it was. Is it not?

Now you pull the troops back on out of Crimea. Send in UN peace keepers. Bring in interenation election monitors. Create a time frame for the election in 6 months. Allow both sides to campaign openly. Put an option on the ballet that allows Crimea to continue as it was. Get the oppostition to recognize the election as legal so they vote. And get rid of clear ballot boxes. Then your on you way to a vote people might recognize. Russia could have chose that course if they were really interested in the people Crimea wanted. Or if they thought a legit vote would go their way. That they chose the troops in street route is telling. At least to people with common sense.