First results from crowdfunded study shows radioactive seawater from Fukushima has NOT reached the U

Hate to rain on the doom porn again. While I am certain that it will get little attention here I am posting it anyway as it is my goal to track #ushima radiation in a logical and reasonable manner. This is not to say it won't get here as the article clearly says it will, just proof that it has not gotten here yet.

Just two weeks ago, Ken Buesseler at WHOI launched a brilliant crowdfunded campaign “Our Radioactive Ocean” to measure radiation off the West Coast of the US. And not surprisingly, it was a huge success. In just two weeks, they have funded, sampled and tested sites in California and Washington. And the results from the first four sites are now posted on their website.

What does this mean for the west coast right now? In the immortal words of Ken Buesseler himself… “The reason why we see such low levels of radiation in these samples is because the plume is not here yet. But it’s coming. And we’ll actually be able to see its arrival,” Buesseler says. “That baseline data is critical.

The plume is predicted to reach the US West Coast in April 2014 and it will be “detectable but not harmful.” Samples taken off the coast of Vancouver Island in June 2013 show the plume has reached it, but the observed concentrations are at most 1 Bq/m3. In other words, 7400 times less than the EPA’s maximum concentrations for drinking water so the levels are not harmful for humans or sea life.

But it’s still important to know when the plume reaches the West Coast so scientists can understand how contaminants spread throughout the ocean. Luckily, awesome folks like Bing Gong from Point Reyes, CA had the foresight to procure enough funds to test the water for the next three years. High fives all around!

Our Radioactive Ocean
Link to original article

So what say you ATS do you think this crowdfunded research is accurate? (Please don't post up previously debunked radiation maps)

ty for this great post... best news this year..!

Samples taken off the coast of Vancouver Island in June 2013 show the plume has reached it, but the observed concentrations are at most 1 Bq/m3.

Very similar to the concentrations predicted by this model.
femalefaust.blogspot.com...

Normal seawater radioactivity varies from about 12.5 to 14 Bq/L.
That would be 12,500 to 14,000 Bq/m^3. Mostly from Potassium.

www.umich.edu...

I'm surprised they can say that a 1 Bq/m^3 change could be detected.

Some estimates see a rise of at most, 1 Bq/L, which would be a significant 7% or so rise.

This study is a good idea. It will demonstrate to the ELE believers that the sky isn't falling.

Thanks for posting.

We need these veritable informations about the Fukushima disaster.

It's so easy to lose track of what's real and what's not in this whole crazyness of doom porn.

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I'm surprised they can say that a 1 Bq/m^3 change could be detected.

They are talking specifically about cesium concentrations. And, by analyzing isotope levels, the source can be determined to be Fukushima.

When this first happened I started to jump on the ELE bandwagon myself. Mostly due to all I had heard about the effects of a meltdown. I gave up my two favorite foods (Sushimi and seared Ahi), stayed out of the rain and generally worried a bit too much about what was happening. The internet and sites like ENEnews did not help.

I truly dislike living in any kind of fear whatsoever so I finally I decided to do some real research into what is happening with #ushima radiation and the West Coast. All in all it was not not nearly as bad as I thought. In fact, the radioactive waste we dumped in the Farallon Islands was much worse than Fukushima.

I have tried a few times to point this out on ATS because I would have thought that most of us would want to know the truth. Doom Porn sells though and I quickly realized that there are some that flat out thrive on living in that fear. I continue to post in the hopes it helps a couple of other folks learn to enjoy seafood again, at least for now. ( :

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I continue to post in the hopes it helps a couple of other folks learn to enjoy seafood again, at least for now.

Well, as long as it doesn't come from the Fukushima region, that is. I'll take a pass on that. Of course, I can't say as I ever have eaten anything from there, ever.

RE: Safe levels.

There are no "safe level" established here and this is a misleading to say the least.

One: background natural radiation is NOT the same as man made. So suggest otherwise is to agree that a genetically created pig, or glyphopate created wheat is exactly the same as a natural one.

Two: Background radiation from either natural or unnatural sources is NOT the same as consuming it in the body and having it remain there for the full life span.

Three. There have been NO established safe levels of CONSUMPTION of radiaoactive isotopes delivered via food, water, air etc. In fact, the government agencies just simply increased their arbitrary background safe levels based on nothing at all but political fear. There are none for internal consumption for YOU. Again, there is no safe level established for the Crankyoldman, for my neighbor, my uncle who has arthritis, you mommy, or your children - none for anyone personally and that matters a lot.

The later is the most important. There was/is no reason for any government agency to poison folks with cesium 137 to determine how much they can consume for their ability to express their consciousness fully is hindered. There are no tests that demonstrate how a human is affected by consuming contaminated fish, water, air over time. Even if there were, that information would never, ever, ever, ever be released. See Current New Yorker article on Syngenta as to why.

It is nice to see someone taking the initiative here but let's not think for one minute that 40 years worth of radioactive isotopes pouring into the Pacific Ocean unabated is just fine.

Let's not think for one minute that consumption of something that cannot be seen, tasted or really measured in any meaningful way is acceptable simply because TEPCO has hired the best PR people in the world to control the dialogue.

##snipped##

To defend this event in any manner at all, any, is to deny one's humanity to the point that that individual should be shunned. The fact that anyone, anyone at all, would state: "there is nothing to see here" is beyond all comprehension. But in every single horror from bhopal, to Nazi Germany, to Vietnam, to Katrina, to you name it there are always shills, apologists, defenders, and those who have a vested interest in making the insanely wrong into acceptable right.

Even those who feel the death plume is fine for now need to start each and every paragraph off with: This is awful, horrible, should never have happened, and must be resolved as soon as possible by everyone who can assist but...

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To defend this event in any manner at all, any, is to deny one's humanity to the point that that individual should be shunned.

I don't think anyone is "defending" the Fukushima disaster. It's pretty clear that it was very bad and will continue to be bad for the region. I don't think there is anyone who says every effort shouldn't be made to resolve the problem.

I also don't think there is anything to be gained by screaming and yelling about high radiation levels on the west coast when there are no such levels. Nor do I think there is anything to be gained by claiming that various diseases being found in sea life along the west coast are proof that the west coast is doomed.

Even those who feel the death plume is fine for now need to start each and every paragraph off with: This is awful, horrible, should never have happened, and must be resolved as soon as possible by everyone who can assist but...

And how do you propose the "death plume" be resolved?

ahhhh, breaking out the term "dorm porn" for every Fukushima related thread now? wow, so clever! that will make everybody forget about it nowwww! haha! #remembermox

Mamatus
Hate to rain on the doom porn again. While I am certain that it will get little attention here I am posting it anyway as it is my goal to track #ushima radiation in a logical and reasonable manner. This is not to say it won't get here as the article clearly says it will, just proof that it has not gotten here yet.

Just two weeks ago, Ken Buesseler at WHOI launched a brilliant crowdfunded campaign “Our Radioactive Ocean” to measure radiation off the West Coast of the US. And not surprisingly, it was a huge success. In just two weeks, they have funded, sampled and tested sites in California and Washington. And the results from the first four sites are now posted on their website.

What does this mean for the west coast right now? In the immortal words of Ken Buesseler himself… “The reason why we see such low levels of radiation in these samples is because the plume is not here yet. But it’s coming. And we’ll actually be able to see its arrival,” Buesseler says. “That baseline data is critical.

The plume is predicted to reach the US West Coast in April 2014 and it will be “detectable but not harmful.” Samples taken off the coast of Vancouver Island in June 2013 show the plume has reached it, but the observed concentrations are at most 1 Bq/m3. In other words, 7400 times less than the EPA’s maximum concentrations for drinking water so the levels are not harmful for humans or sea life.

But it’s still important to know when the plume reaches the West Coast so scientists can understand how contaminants spread throughout the ocean. Luckily, awesome folks like Bing Gong from Point Reyes, CA had the foresight to procure enough funds to test the water for the next three years. High fives all around!

Our Radioactive Ocean
Link to original article

So what say you ATS do you think this crowdfunded research is accurate? (Please don't post up previously debunked radiation maps)

I think you need to pay very close attention to the words used here and think back a little bit to an event that took place.

It says: "In other words, 7400 times less than the EPA's maximum concentrations...

Are those the "safe" levels defined before or after the EPA changed them? From what I recall, it was much greater than a factor of 7400.

It's going to be interesting to see how the measurements continue to change over time, so I'll hold out a bit longer, but won't be eating Pacific seafood.

~Namaste

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

Are those the "safe" levels defined before or after the EPA changed them? From what I recall, it was much greater than a factor of 7400.

Your recall is somewhat faulty. The EPA has made no changes to drinking water standards for radionuclides.

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I have taken Red cross CPR/first aid classes every couple of years since I was ten. In that time they have changed how to do CPR at least four times. This is related only in that as we learn new things procedures need to be adjusted.

Is radiation bad? Some types tremendously yet without others we die. Is it not possible that the EPA has learned that we can put up with a bit more than previously thought? I would venture a yes on that one. Although I have not done the research on that move by the EPA yet.

I once asked ATS'ers to research the money behind several scientists claiming Fukushima was not doom yet. I had already done it but what amazed me the most is the number of opinions people had yet they ALL failed to do the research on a single scientist or who paid them. A couple actually posted up radiation maps that were debunked months ago as tsunami maps.

It actually caused me to nearly drop this site entirely as it became clear that opinions are much more important than truth here lately.

Your sources are all alarmist websites.

Phage
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To defend this event in any manner at all, any, is to deny one's humanity to the point that that individual should be shunned.

I don't think anyone is "defending" the Fukushima disaster. It's pretty clear that it was very bad and will continue to be bad for the region. I don't think there is anyone who says every effort shouldn't be made to resolve the problem.

I also don't think there is anything to be gained by screaming and yelling about high radiation levels on the west coast when there are no such levels. Nor do I think there is anything to be gained by claiming that various diseases being found in sea life along the west coast are proof that the west coast is doomed.

Even those who feel the death plume is fine for now need to start each and every paragraph off with: This is awful, horrible, should never have happened, and must be resolved as soon as possible by everyone who can assist but...

And how do you propose the "death plume" be resolved?

edit on 2/8/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

"I don't think anyone is 'defending' the fukashima disaster." Is this meant to be truthful? Right here Human 0815, who is a TEPCO employee, is one. And there are many, but there is no point in naming names as that was NOT my point.

This is the common thing you and the priest class of science do. You deconstruct. What is funny is you deconstruct in the exact same manner the Catholic church did before it was replaced by the science overlords. You fail to see anything as a whole. You took what I wrote, which was a complete thought designed to suggest that folks simply not accept things as they are. Yet, you avoided the conclusion, picked about the parts you could attack, then did so. Then smugly finished with a question you know I could not answer - this act is as transparent as it is silly. What is interesting to me is that you avoided those things you can't pin down with some form of "I know the facts, and you stupid no initiated science heathen don't."

So since I am not a builder of a power plant there is no reason for me to suggest an answer, but you thought by attacking me there you have one something. In fact, what is interesting is the priest class of science overlords have zero, none, no answer for the problem they themselves created - some may suggest their negligence in the creation and location of the plant was premeditated disaster creation. So how would I know how to repair the problem especially when TEPCO has lied about nearly the entire event.

So, in the same vein, "At what level will cesium 137 in the body prevent a Human Souled Being from properly expressing themselves through that body?" You're answer is of course obvious: "soul expression cannot be verified by double blind studies so therefore it isn't a relevant equation." That question and answer matter, must more then how much a drone can take.

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Science Recorder. The title clearly said "may have". There is as of yet no proof that the radiation they found was from Fukushima. Until there is, the headline is alarmist in nature. At the very least sensationalist, either way it is a fail.

BTW I tried to figure out real quick who the science recorder belongs to but the WHOIS information was privacy locked.

What constitutes as doom porn? Whether it hits USA?
I don't live in the USA and I don't see it as doom porn.

This is a bad thing for the planet whether it directly affects us or not,
I'm not gonna sit here and fear monger your west coast but I don't feel like sitting idly people calling a serious f*****G event as
doom porn.

What is worse than radiation being poured into the ocean? no matter how much, this is going to go on forever
by the looks of it, only a matter of time before another big quake in the region, could be 1 month or it could be 50 years and we'll have more problems.

And all this is from what we know, hate to think of things we are not being told, that would never happen though huh.

thank God some websites are sounding an "alarm". the Japanes gov't definitely shut their "alarms" off for their people. something to the tune of, "if you sound an alarm, you go to jail."

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I agree wholeheartedly!

While it's great that radiation monitoring systems were set up by individuals rather than the EPA or anyone else with a lobbyist somewhere in their back pocket, the 'normal' background radiation is what we've had since the nuclear tests in the 1940s, 50s, 60s and maybe later. Do we know what the normal exposure to radiation was for the vast majority of life on earth and what any additions will mean? Yeah, there's pockets of normal occurring plutonium and uranium here and there but nothing like what our so-called civilization has strewn all over the place.

If there ever was a Black Swan of gargantuan proportions, FuKu and Di-ichi is it.

So, if there's no or little radiation heading for the West Coast, I wonder when people are going to start deciding to sell their houses and move a bit farther away from it? When the radiation arrival is finally announced on 'Fox and Friends' by some clueless bimbo on a couch, or slightly prior to that for strategic purposes? Like actually being able to sell at all?

Those who are interested in what is being said and done in Japan on this topic might be interested in this; it's a rough transcript of a Jeff Rense interview with a Japanese magazine editor, the video seems to have been taken down.

Yoichi Shimatsu Radio Interview 06JAN14 Speaks With Jeff Rense
Shimatsu Editor at Large at 4th Media based Hong Kong.
Former Editor Japan Times Weekly.
[Transcript of Shimatsu's Contribution to the Interview.]

Yoichi Shimatsu interview transcript

Every where in Bangkok you see these teams of five to ten guys and girls, usually youngish with one sort of boss with them. They're setting up New Businesses. Capital Flight from Japan, To invest in Thailand.
Not only do they expect the Japanese Economy to Tank, every one knows the country's radioactive.
I had some dinner with some friends lasts night and their assumption is most of Japan is contaminated and they're surprised when i say there might be some pockets less contaminated than others. They just assume it's just generally all over Japan and people have gotta' leave and they're just trying to figure out stategies.

One of the things that they told me over dinner, this is really terrible, that there's ZERO NEWS about Fukushima in Japan Now. That all the news about anything to do with Fukushima they're getting only from foreign news sources. Nothing from Japanese news sources since the passage of the security bill. That in fact news about Fukushima has dried up.

And let's not forget this criminally actionable (but not, apparently, because, you know, connections) bit of treason and mass murder:

White House Ordered EPA to Lie