Deciphering the Pagan Stones

beansidhe
And three examples with the Z rod, of 78 found stones:

Three Rivers New Mexico.

Heres your shield idea. Hittite.

reply to post by Logarock


Good find! I tried looking up Hittites and Picts, but came up with a lot of references mostly involving Hitler? Not quite sure about that! A number of authors, however put Pictish and Gaelic as Indo-Hittite languages, and whether or not that is true I have no idea.

But, good to know that was a shield style, that may have been familiar.

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Modern German and then to some degree English retains a bit of the Hittite language.

reply to post by Logarock


Aah, hence the strange Hitler links, thanks.

Right, I'm going to show you something a bit odd:



Another odd Pict stone, you might think. But it's from 1050, and found in Sweden. Did the Picts influence the Vikings for hundreds of years? I thought it was the other way around. Or were they both influenced by someone else?
I'm going to have a look at some pre-Viking art

ETA The shield idea doesn't work, unfortunately, because in all their carvings they have square shields. But I did find this oddness:



What are they?

Even though Scandinavians joined the European Bronze Age cultures fairly late through trade, Scandinavian sites present rich and well-preserved objects made of wool, wood and imported Central European bronze and gold. During this period Scandinavia gave rise to the first known advanced civilization in this area following the Nordic Stone Age.

The Scandinavians adopted many central European and Mediterranean symbols at the same time that they created new styles and objects. Mycenaean Greece, the Villanovan Culture, Phoenicia and Ancient Egypt have all been identified as possible sources of influence in Scandinavian artwork from this period.

The foreign influence is believed to be attributed to amber trade, and amber found in Mycenaean graves from this period originates from the Baltic Sea. Several petroglyphs depict ships, and the large stone formations known as stone ships indicate that shipping played an important role in the culture. Several petroglyphs depict ships which could possibly be Mediterranean.

Wiki link

Aah, I see. Them again!






Some Thoth's poking a man's head. In Shetland.

But looking at the database, these 'bird heads' appear at least 4 times:



Above (left) is one from Perth. Is that a Thoth (can you have 'a Thoth?') or would Druids wear bird masks?

Even better than a Thoth:

Mug Ruith (or Mogh Roith, "slave of the wheel") is a figure in Irish mythology, a powerful blind druid of Munster who lived on Valentia Island, County Kerry. He could grow to enormous size, and his breath caused storms and turned men to stone. He wore a hornless bull-hide and a bird mask, and flew in a machine called the roth rámach, the "oared wheel". He had an ox-driven chariot in which night was as bright as day, a star-speckled black shield with a silver rim, and a stone which could turn into a poisonous eel when thrown in water.
Stories about Mug Ruith are set in various periods of Irish history. Some say he lived during the reign of 3rd century High King Cormac mac Airt, while others put him in Jerusalem during the time of Christ...

The various medieval legends about his adventures in the Holy Land at the dawn of Christendom paint him as an interesting and mysterious character. He is said to have been a student of Simon Magus, who taught him his magic skills and helped him build the flying machine roth rámach. In at least two other poems Mug Ruith is identified as the executioner who beheaded John the Baptist, bringing a curse to the Irish people.

Mug Ruith

beansidhe
reply to post by intrptr

 

Maybe. To me, the bottom pic you brought looks like the front view of some headgear. Of course, we know what the Masons are all about?

Erm, not really. I know they're very good at organising sandwiches for our summer festival in the village, but otherwise, I'm afraid, not really.
I know they have something to do with stone masonry (and what were the makers of these stones if not stonemasons...) and maybe something to do with the Temple of Solomon, from my very quick visit to wikipedia just now.

But hats? I don't know of any headgear links, I'm sorry!

I think maybe that he meant like hats that masons would have worn in ceremonies and sacred rituals ,not only as part of their theatrics and magical wordrobe but because the headdresses worn in rituals have different meanings for each different ceremony there is different garb just saying.it does kinda look like a hat but I'm not sure if that's what it is.

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Hi nonconformist! I'm glad you dropped by, because I'd been wondering about that. Thanks for clearing that up. Funnily enough, you speaking about theatre, ritual and hats, I've just posted above you about ritual and masks. You have impeccable timing!

If anything else comes to mind, please let us know

beansidhe

Above (left) is one from Perth. Is that a Thoth (can you have 'a Thoth?') or would Druids wear bird masks?

edit on 19-2-2014 by beansidhe because: Troublesome Thoths

Yes Thoth looks good here.

Here is more of the Etruscan Sea Horses.

In any case, Mog Roith is often called druid of the wheel (189), the wheel in question being the great cycle of years and seasons. Historian T.F. O’Rahilly suggests that that he is the remnant of a Celtic deity Roth, God of the Wheel (189).

faeryshaman.org

And something member Danbones wrote about in another forum:

In 1997 Crichton Miller made an astounding discovery that will change our concepts of the historical and religious past forever. Crichton's background and life experiences play a fundamentally important part in this revelation; he is a qualified yachtsman and navigator with an interest in ancient history and religions.
Through the results of intensive research, Crichton proposes that our present system of beliefs and science was inherited from ancient mariners that sailed the oceans of the world in prehistory. He further proposes that the abrupt end of the last ice age, 12,500 years ago, was part of a cataclysm that destroyed of a large part of the flora and fauna of Earth. The most likely humans to survive this cataclysmic event were those who were at sea.

Crighton proposes that the event likely produced a tsunami (a large wave that travels extremely fast) and that such a large tsunami would be more easily survived at sea, where the effect would be limited to a large swell on the surface of the ocean. The effects of a large tidal wave on a coastline, however, would be horrendous. The giant wall of water would have been turned into a breaking wave as it reached shallower depths, annihilating all before it as it rushed up the beach with churning debris.

Crichton suggests that the sea level around the globe rose with the melting ice caps. Archaeological evidence of earlier civilizations is almost impossible to find since it is now below 300 feet of new sea water which changed the topography of coastlines, where most advanced civilizations were based. However Crichton proposes that there is other evidence of earlier civilizations and that this evidence has been left intact in stone and myth for us to decipher.

Crichton believes that these pre-cataclysmic civilizations were maritime based. These ancient sea-going people had developed a form of geometry and mathematics that was linked to astronomy and astrology and developed out of their nautical lifestyles. To successfully travel on the world's oceans and seas, you must be able to know your position and direction.

Navigators recognized that the Sun was directly overhead at mid-day. To find the longitude (East and West position) these navigators had to know the approximate time, both locally and at a prime meridian (an arbitrary North-South line from which the plotted position would be calculated). Today the prime meridian is at Greenwich (0 degrees longitude), but Crichton proposes that the original prime meridian was at Giza in Egypt from which all local times and distances were calculated.


The Navigation Instrument

This instrument can tell the time, find latitude and longitude, measure the angles of the stars, predict the solstices and equinoxes and measure the precession of the equinoxes. The instrument can also find the ecliptic pole as well as the North and South poles, it can make maps and charts, design pyramids and henges and, when it is used in combination with these observatory sites, can record and predict the cycles of nature.

What is this ancient icon that all humanity sees daily and does not recognize? It is the cross.

Specifically, it's the Celtic Cross, or Wheel:



And more intriguing yet:

The cross is a maritime treasure trove of wisdom and it was likely a vital tool for constructing and designing the pyramids. Crichton has discovered the remnants of a cross hidden by the House of Amen in the Great Pyramid of Khufu at Giza. This amazing cross is capable of measuring angles to an accuracy of three arc minutes.

Crichton proposes that the cross is much older than the pyramids since it is also responsible for the construction of Neolithic henges in Europe that predate the pyramids by thousands of years. He has also found that this knowledge was rediscovered and kept secret by the Knight Templars and other "secret societies" throughout the Middle Ages.

Crichton's Cross

So Mug Ruith's wheel was valuable indeed.

Thanks for a great thread!

Just been looking at the ley line map. If you were to line up the stones and then look at the symbols would that create anything meaningful? Like words, paragraphs or stories?

If the ancient people were travelers maybe you had to follow the stones to understand a certain story? or to get to a certain place? I notice the if you combine two, they go through London following a similar route as the M4 to Wales if you combine it with the diagonal. Do they represent a journey? Symbolically and/or literally? Maybe they record a certain journey that was taken and the symbols that relate to animals/astrology is a way of dating said journey? In astrology these animals have certain characteristics and meanings depending on what you are divining - personality, fortune telling etc.

The astrology correlation is interesting too. There does seem to be an ancient language made up of these animals, which recur and pop up throughout the ancient world. Suggests either a worldwide spread of this culture/people or that there was a smaller earlier people who then spread out taking their symbols with them and the symbols were used/rejected and changed as the people settled and flourished into modern man.

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Hi YarlanZey and thank you!
And another synchronistic member!

The man I mentioned above certainly agrees with you:

Why is there a wheel on a Celtic cross?
The Wheel on the Cross was obviously designed to spin, Why?
Did the wheel measure the spin of the earth ?
Do the interweaving serpentine sine waves represent the cycles of order and chaos?
Do the four arms represent the four seasons ?
Did Neolithic and even Palaeolithic sea faring hunter gatherers invent zodiacs (Signs)
so that they could navigate by the stars?
Did ancient people use natures astro-logical mathematics to design sacred buildings ?
Does the cross represent "As above so below"?

The Celtic Cross

And what is yet more intriguing, is yet another parallel between Scotland and ancient Egypt etc in the bird headed one who measures time and is the keeper of wisdom.

It's all getting a bit weird again!!

reply to post by Logarock


It is Thoth isn't it, just with another name? This is incredibly bizarre.

Logarock
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Here are some ancient north american art examples unearthed from the mound builder culture that share some similarities in theme and type with Celtic art.

Still only part way through, but after reading this and seeing the pictures is this familiar with the cross and nazi symbols and symbols of the Illuminati? Re the floor plans, how do our church building layout compare and the functions that take place at various points? do they correlate with each other? Churches were also built on leys lines and on pre-existing sites and also face a certain direction. Food for thought...

reply to post by YarlanZey

Crichton proposes that the cross is much older than the pyramids since it is also responsible for the construction of Neolithic henges in Europe that predate the pyramids by thousands of years. He has also found that this knowledge was rediscovered and kept secret by the Knight Templars and other "secret societies" throughout the Middle Ages.

Rosslyn Chapel



I'm really starting to think so, YarlanZey...

reply to post by beansidhe


Thoth is the universal symbol, the mystic tau. His counterpart is Hermes, who had the caduceus, a cross with entwining snakes. Also prometheus, the story of him bringing fire to man, or wisdom, knowledge. Thus Jesus hanging on the cross, as the serpent lifted up in the wilderness, to heal us as the cadudeus is the symbol for healing. This knowledge Jesus(as Thoth) brings is of theosis or divinization. When he compares himself to the serpent lifted up he says "and when I am lifted up, I will draw (the word draw is literally to drag) all people to myself". Bringing all into union with the Source of Life.

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And in our part of the world he is Mug Ruith?
And that then explains the T Logarock noticed.
I think it was Enigmatic Lines who said earlier that he envisaged the Stone Age more like Mediaeval Europe, and I'm wondering if he's right. There's an awful lot of shared knowledge for such divergent cultures for it to be believable that they didn't communicate.

reply to post by beansidhe


There was very surely communication worldwide from long ago. There was a protoreligion with a common symbolism, and all the great teachers were called Thoth, as all kings were the sungod. Personally I feel these symbols are archetypes that are built into the fabric of reality and are used to bring help us navigate our way home.

Have you heard of the link between Odin and Buddha?

Yeah the T on that throne symbolizes wisdom, healing, life, transport to the other realms (navigation, on this plane and the higher).

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Odin and Buddha? No, never, but I can believe it now lol!

Thanks Zardust, this is great!