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usernameconspiracy
The ignorance of the electoral college around here is simply dumbfounding. I really hope some of you take the time to actually understand why we have an electoral college. The short of it is that it allows states such as Wyoming to actually matter and to be represented. Without the electoral college smaller states would also eventually be pushed out of the House and Senate.
I will continue to vote as I always have, and in every election I am allowed to vote in. The most important votes you can cast are your local elections, where issues that actually affect you, are decided.
Sremmos80
I will never vote in a presidential election until they get rid of the electoral college.
Vote if you live in a swing state, i live in CA, the blue gets those electoral points almost immediately
Where is my voice?
jimmyx
Sremmos80
I will never vote in a presidential election until they get rid of the electoral college.
Vote if you live in a swing state, i live in CA, the blue gets those electoral points almost immediately
Where is my voice?
where is your voice?....the same place a democrats voice is located in the state of Alabama...nowhere. if you know a country that is such an outstanding example of democracy, then you should move there.
usernameconspiracy
The ignorance of the electoral college around here is simply dumbfounding. I really hope some of you take the time to actually understand why we have an electoral college. The short of it is that it allows states such as Wyoming to actually matter and to be represented. Without the electoral college smaller states would also eventually be pushed out of the House and Senate.
I will continue to vote as I always have, and in every election I am allowed to vote in. The most important votes you can cast are your local elections, where issues that actually affect you, are decided.
Sremmos80
jimmyx
Sremmos80
I will never vote in a presidential election until they get rid of the electoral college.
Vote if you live in a swing state, i live in CA, the blue gets those electoral points almost immediately
Where is my voice?
where is your voice?....the same place a democrats voice is located in the state of Alabama...nowhere. if you know a country that is such an outstanding example of democracy, then you should move there.
That just proves my point, thank you.
States shouldn't be won to a certain side because that is what most the state votes, that is my entire point
And i won't move from the country i was born in because others have ruined it
If you don't want to hear it then you move
That is why we have our rights, so we can be heard when we don't feel we are being represented..
Doesn't make me some anti american that needs to get out
jimmyx
Sremmos80
jimmyx
Sremmos80
I will never vote in a presidential election until they get rid of the electoral college.
Vote if you live in a swing state, i live in CA, the blue gets those electoral points almost immediately
Where is my voice?
where is your voice?....the same place a democrats voice is located in the state of Alabama...nowhere. if you know a country that is such an outstanding example of democracy, then you should move there.
That just proves my point, thank you.
States shouldn't be won to a certain side because that is what most the state votes, that is my entire point
And i won't move from the country i was born in because others have ruined it
If you don't want to hear it then you move
That is why we have our rights, so we can be heard when we don't feel we are being represented..
Doesn't make me some anti american that needs to get out
ok, fine, I'll except that...look, I'm not a fan of the electoral college either...but...in a lot of the states there are laws being passed to disenfranchise voters altogether...an 80 year old woman who has been voting all her life, should not now be required to have a valid birth certificate. too many of our older people were born on farms, in small rink-a-dink towns, at home with relatives, or by midwives to have valid birth certificates. getting people validated to vote with the new laws should be the responsibility of those that passed those laws in the first place....the electoral college can be dealt with at a latter time.
Sremmos80
So why is it a race for the electoral votes instead of a race for the popular vote?
I live in CA and i don't vote blue, when is the last time CA didn't go blue?
Where is my voice? How many states went independent in electoral college last election? Do you think that is fair representation of who voted for the independent?
Its a great idea on paper, get the small states heard, but when a big states trumps 10 small states on electoral college votes... Whats the point?
2000: The Supreme Court Steps In
Few U.S. presidential contests have ended as acrimoniously as the election of 2000. Even now, after nearly a decade, emotions run high among committed partisans of Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore when discussion turns to the subjects of “dimples,” under-votes, “hanging chads,” or the Supreme Court’s ruling that ended the recount process in Florida.
The general election campaign, though hard fought, gave little indication of the controversy to come. According to most polls, Governor Bush of Texas held a narrow lead, but Vice President Gore appeared to be closing the gap. Two minor party candidates presented a complicating factor: Consumer advocate Ralph Nader’s Green Party was perceived as drawing support from Gore voters, while Patrick Buchanan, nominee of the Reform Party, was expected to cut into Bush’s popular vote.
More than 105 million Americans cast votes for president on November 7; by early evening it was clear that the election would be close. Gore held a slight popular vote lead nationwide, and the electoral vote was also tight, standing at 246 electoral votes for Bush and 255 for Gore, with 37 undecided in three states. New Mexico and Oregon, with 12 votes, were eventually declared for Gore, but Florida, with 25 decisive electoral votes and where Bush held a tiny lead, remained in contention.
Reports of confusing ballots and other irregularities led to demands for statewide and county recounts in Florida. The national Democratic and Republican parties dispatched teams of lawyers and political operatives to make their case in the courts and media. Acrimonious and widely publicized disputes over the recounts dominated the news for weeks, and both parties filed suit in Florida state and federal courts. Meanwhile, the clock was ticking: Federal law required Florida to declare its electoral vote by December 12.
After a series of starts and stops and conflicting lower court decisions, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled five to four that Florida’s recount procedures violated the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause and that, since there was no time to devise and implement a different plan, the vote would stand. The court’s decision was assailed by Gore supporters as politically biased in favor of the Republican Party, but the recounts ended and George Bush was declared the winner in Florida with a margin of 537 votes. Nationwide, Bush won 271 electoral votes to Al Gore’s 266, but Gore had received about 540,000 more popular votes.
Although bitterly disappointed, Vice President Gore accepted the results and urged his supporters to respect the Supreme Court's decision in the best interests of the nation. A number of representatives contested the results when Congress met to count the electoral vote on January 6, 2001, but they lacked Senate co-sponsors and were disallowed by Gore, who as vice president presided over the session. Bush was inaugurated on January 20, the first U.S. president in more than a century who failed to win a plurality of the popular vote.
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Blaine91555
Voter apathy is far more dangerous than the rare occasions when voter fraud occurs. To be honest it seems to me people always seem to have an excuse for not voting, but in most cases the truth in my opinion, is they just don't get around to it. It's just to much bother to vote.
Sadly those are the same people it seems who often yell the loudest.
Then you have those who vote as an illiterate, knowing nothing about the candidates and voting based on which Party their parents belonged to, skin color, religion or if the candidate is cute.
I don't think the proven voter fraud cases are egregious enough to change a national election, although local ones are likely often impacted. The problem is not that as much as people being married to two Parties.
Yes, I will continue to vote as I feel like I'd have no right to complain if I do not and the elections are not as rigged as alarmists would have us believe.
jimmyx
if you know a country that is such an outstanding example of democracy, then you should move there.
TrueBrit
reply to post by zatara
I do not think it would matter whether the voting was rigged or not. Simply put, it makes not a damn bit of difference which of the two parties gets in, because the wider agenda is identical for both, despite their stated differences of opinion. That is the reality, even here in Britain, where there are more than two parties vying for votes and prestige.
Like the UK government, the US government and electoral system needs purging. All its current participants should be expunged from it, and banned from becoming involved in any political activity for the rest of their lives, and charged with treason should any of them attempt to circumvent that in the future.
That just proves my point, thank you.
States shouldn't be won to a certain side because that is what most the state votes, that is my entire point
And i won't move from the country i was born in because others have ruined it
If you don't want to hear it then you move
That is why we have our rights, so we can be heard when we don't feel we are being represented..
Doesn't make me some anti american that needs to get out