76-Zentner the Nazi Atomic bomb found at Espelkamp in 1945

a reply to: neformore

In point of fact, noand ey actually didn't and there's proof of this if people weren't too lazy to look.

1. Nazi nerve gas and D day: The Germans could have utterly decimated Omaha and Utah beach as well as the rest using gas shells they had and very much could have gotten to their arty in plenty of time.

2. High command flip flops: For a good portion of everything past the bocage fighting outside Normandy we had contact with various key figures throughout the German High Command. Hitler very well could have given orders and not had them followed even had he really ordered a true bench clearing put the RDT&E kit into the line defense. If he did, you and I will most likely NEVER EVER KNOW.

3. How did we know EXACTLY where so many of the weapons labs were: Patton stopping dead in his tracks pivoting and haring off DIRECTLY on a shortest route approach to some of the biggest caches of technical booty right at the end wasn't an accident!

If the Germans were 5% as good at weaponizing and productionizing the advances their labs were cranking out, we'd be having this conversation in German!

Thank God that the Nazis were so hilariously inept at so many things... Nevertheless though, as inept as they were in some respects, nothing but the heroism of the greatest generation and their willingness to lay down their lives in numbers we would never accept carried the day...

Well that and us being pretty much better at designing tanks etc and mass production of said designs...

PS; the wehraboos are morons talking about the superiority of Nazi tanks ... Their tanks were pathetic, but their infantry clubbed us like baby seals far too often.

Just needed to make it clear that I'm no Nazi symp romanticized.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
If the Nazi's had a bomb, they'd have used it the instant they lost Stalingrad and the Russians started pushing them back.

The Atomic bomb in question was said by Dirk Finkemeier to weigh 4.2t.* (in subsequent email exchanges Dirk said the German Bomb weighed 4.2t but Little Boy weighed 4.8t with the addition of a special tail fin called the California Brake)

That required an aircraft able to lift such a load and also able to drop it from an altitude exceeding the 45,000ft service ceiling of the best Allied fighters. Only one German bomber could do such a thing, the He-277 B5 or it's cousin the He-274 Amerika Bomber being developed at Tolouse in France.

Germany’s He-277 B-5 could carry a 6,000lb bomb load over 3,750sm distance at 49,210ft, or 12,000lb over 1,000sm distance at the same altitude. Seven of these He-277 aircraft were built*, converted at Reichlin E-2 from He-177 A-6 prototypes.

GA+QQ Heinkel He277 V9 (delivered to Eprobungstelle Reichlin)
GA+QR Heinkel He277 V10 (delivered to Eprobungstelle Reichlin)
GA+QM Heinkel He277 V26 (delivered to Eprobungstelle Reichlin)
GA+QX Heinkel He277 V18 (delivered to Eprobungstelle Reichlin)

GA+QQ's airframe had the unique distinction of being all three types, ie an He-177 A-0, then converted to He-177 A-6, then converted again as an He-277 B.

The British & Americans became aware of the Nazi Atomic bomb and threatened Hitler through the German legation in Lisbon, with use of the Allied Atomic Bomb against Dresden if Hitler dared to attack Britain with an Atomic Bomb. Churchill also opened a direct line of communication with Hitler in August 1944 through Romania's opposition groups. Churchill warned Hitler use of the German Atomic Bomb on the UK would result in the RAF dropping Anthrax all over Germany.

Nazis were also preparing to use 10,000 Sarin filled artillery shells and V-2 Sarin rockets in October 1944 to drive back the Russian advances. I can't recall personally why exactly the Sarin campaign was abandoned?
Possibly weather patterns were wrong and winds blew the wrong way?
That campaign was quashed when the manufacturing plant at Dhyrenfurth in Silesia was overrun by the Russians

a reply to: roguetechie

The simple answer to your assertion is have you bothered yet to read the table talks between Hitler and Romania's Marshal Antonescu at the Wolf's lair on 5th August 1944?

In that discussion Hitler is on the record talking to Antonescu about why he would not use Germany's Uranium Atomic bomb. There is no need to speculate when Hitler himself addressed the issue which you try to answer with speculations

a reply to: Restricted

By July 1945 when the Hiroshima bomb was assembled and shipped to Tinian Island, Oak Ridge had only enriched 16kg of Uranium. The Hiroshima bomb had a 64kg warhead.

The rate of enrichment by Oak Ridge by gaseous diffusion method is known and a matter of record. There is no earthly way that USA could have enriched sufficient Uranium in time for use against Hiroshima in August 1945.

On the other hand Germany had three Uranium centrifuge facilities from April 1944 onward and these were capable of producing much more than 64kg of HEU.

You observations about the brilliance of scientists on the Manhattan Project are unraveled by your total ignorance of how advanced German nuclear science was. US scientists tried and failed to develop the centrifuge and without a centrifuge had to adopt much slower and less efficient methods. Indeed it is directly why USA opted for Plutonium. The first attempt at a Plutonium bomb called Thin Man had to be abandoned.

I will let you research why as it seems to me you have not performed enough background reading yet to usefully contribute, so I encourage you to read more.

By July 1945 when the Hiroshima bomb was assembled and shipped to Tinian Island, Oak Ridge had only enriched 16kg of Uranium. The Hiroshima bomb had a 64kg warhead.

a reply to: sy.gunson

WRONG

When the LITTLE BOY was assembled in Tinian there was 50 KG of enriched uranium available, 14 KG was available at Oak Ridge . It was this contingent that was delivered by USS INDIANAPOLOS

It took the electrical output from the TVA dams to create this

The Germans had no centrifuges .. It had no industrial capacity to enrich uranium

Special Allied troops )ALSOS MISSION) found no enriched uranium . It fact only found a crude model with cubes of uranium suspended in small tank of Heavy water to measure activity

a reply to: sy.gunson

Do you have any sources for any of that?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


spelkamp
Yes, the RAOC Gazette October 1946, official journal of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps, notes that on 4thApril 1945 "DDOS of 8 Corps found a factory engaged in production work for the German Atomic bomb..."
On speaking to Major Keith Sanders, British Army (retired) he revealed his father was a sapper with DDOS 8 Corps who entered the underground factory to disarm booby traps. He said his father recounted finding a Krupp nuclear reactor and 40 Uranium centrifuges at Espelkamp.

NAZI nuclear scientists held at Farm Hall in August 1945, along with engineers like Dr Konrad Beyrle from Anshultz & Co were interned nearby at Alswede until 1946 to secretly keep Uranium centrifuges and the nuclear reactor in operation, for Britain's Atomic bomb project.
This British project was called Operation Matchbox. When USA discovered the discreet operation of this plant after WW2, UK was expelled from the Manhattan project.



A contract to manufacture these centrifuges was granted in April 1944 giving a clue to how much Uranium was enriched there.

A single centrifuge produces about 30 grams of HEU per year, about the equivalent of five Separative Work Unit (SWU). As as a general rule of thumb, a cascade of 850 to 1,000 centrifuges, each 1.5 meters long, operating continuously at 400 m/sec, would be able to produce about 20-25 kilograms of HEU in a year, enough for one weapon. One such bomb would require about 6,000 SWU. Just like at Oak Ridge , the Nazis used electromagnetic separation with Betatrons to further enrich Uranium after the centrifuge step. Oak Ridge never had centrifuge technology.
From February 1944 Oak Ridge enriched 200 grams Uranium/ month.





Montgpmery's war diary held at KEW records the US 9TH Army captured the German Atomic Bomb at Goslar 26 April 1945.

a reply to: firerescue

The A-BOMB delivered to Tinian was German made, called "76 Zentner"

source POW reports











Oak Ridge only enriched 11.5kg of Uranium by August 1945

Manhattan Project only had 11.542kg Uranium enriched by the bombing of Hiroshima

HEU QUANTITY
1945
January 9.8 kg
February 10 kg
March 10.257kg
April 10. 514kg
May 10.771 kg
June 11.028kg
July 11.285kg
August 11.542 kg... (Hiroshima bombing)
September 11.799kg
October 12.056kg
November 12.313kg
December 12.57 kg

I calculated the enrichment rate as 257 grams/month using Beta Caultrons, but I only have a source for 200g/mth before XBetaX came online






Oak Ridge required electrical output from the TVA dams, because Caultrons consumed much more power than Manfred von Ardenne's
Betatrons. YES THE Germans had Uranium mines, centrifuges and Betatrons.

a reply to: RIPMH370

In fact much of the Hiroshima uranium was only 50 % U 235

The average enrichment through out the device U235 was only 80%

The lower enriched uranium was used as a Tamper/reflector to concentrate the reaction

The highly enriched uranium was at the "tip of the spear" at the center of the nuclear reaction - this was 90 % + U 235
surrounded by the lower grade U 235 to contain the blast by inertia and reflecting neutrons back into the core

a reply to: roguetechieThe Nazis

manufactured 10,000 artillery shells filled with Sarin at Dhyrenfurth, Silesia, for a big offensive against the Soviets in October 1844, but they couldn't have used those shells at Normandy
Sherman tanks were called Ronson lighters for good reason.

Michael Wittmann stopped a convoy of Sherman tanks and half tracks single handed using his Tiger tank. near Villers Bocage.

a reply to: firerescue

The lower enriched uranium was used as a Tamper/reflector to concentrate the reaction

Uranium used in Little Boy was overall 84% enriched HEU and the Tamper was Tungsten Carbide sold to Nazi Germany by the US company Carballoy.



If you are going to quote from Coster-Mullen, John (2012). Atom Bombs: The Top Secret Inside Story of Little Boy and Fat Man. Waukesha, Wisconsin: J. Coster-Mullen, page18

then at least quote accurately. He actually said: Most was enriched to 89% but some was only 50%

11.542KG of 89% enriched Uranium is still insufficient to make an Atomic bomb (with 1940s technology).

Hiroshima couldn't be bombed with just 11.54kg enriched Uranium!


76Zentner is not a figment of my imagination, nor anybody else's imagination CSDIC reports were secret recordings of unwitting German POW prisoners discussing matters freely among themselves. This POW transcript is SRA 4394 from PRO archives at Kew in London.

SRA 4394 POW transcript







76 Zentner actually existed and according to He177 pilot Peter Brill nine He177 aircraft were modified with enormous bomb bays to accommodate this bomb




You may refuse to believe the facts , but you can't invent your own reality to dismiss the facts.