Please Help Identify this Artifact

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reply to post by snypwsd


Here are some closeups of the glyph on the back. The section below the crescent to me looks like shoulders and torso with perhaps the head decapitated by the scrape mark. There appears to be a double chevron below the torso similar to the chevrons in your example.

reply to post by CraftBuilder


Aren't the scars on the back meant to be from agricultural machinery? Like rotavators and the like?

That's what it says in the OP...

reply to post by iRoyalty


Yes, but below the scars is a thin line glyph. Actually there are two glyphs still visible (upper and lower of disk) that may or may not be related. The upper glyph is an upside-down crescent and the lower glyph is a complex drawing with a couple of chevrons.

I will see about tracing them out on another image.

This image traces what remains of the glyphs on the back of the disk.

And without the trace.

reply to post by CraftBuilder


Ok I was able to find a acouple examples of stone figures that resemble that carving. They are not exactly the same but they are close (80-90% percent the same). I am currently using the wii at the moment to do this research, as soon as my roommate is done with the computer I will post my findings and scan in the rough sketch I made to use as a reference for finding these objects. should be up in a hour or two

By the way, Thanks for the close ups they helped a lot. Also whom ever posted the Negative of the pic, THANK YOU, It made a world of difference because you can judge the depths of the striations better. Man Im excited about this!

Interesting find.
Maybe the urleute used it for some kind of a ritual.

Now that I look at the back with the glyph traced out I wonder if it could be like the carver's signature symbol. Maybe they were the local shelter builder too (Ha!).

I wonder if the surfaces of the carvings on the front and the back could compared for erosion (or another technique) to determine if they are the same age.

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Now that you say that the top side sort of resembles a teepee. Im not saying thats what it is, but to some degree it does resemble that.

ExoPatriotico
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The SCARS are covering the glyph - they are not indicators of any kind of an alignment - they are plow marks. Look at the drawing under the scars.

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Uhm no... what im saying is when you compare the images on the glyph, are you comparing it as it, or are you rotating the image and comparing.

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To identify what Tribes would be a potential source, a general region would be helpful...

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... I am going to go with an identification of... a stone jar lid

reply to post by BuzzDengue


I had that thought as well, especially with the lip on the back side. I certainly don't have the expertise to make an informed hypothesis though. I'm starting to get the impression that it might have had a significant ceremonial purpose because of the amount of skilled work that went into it and if the lip on the back is maybe for handling grip.

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For now I'm putting my money on prehistoric frisbee.

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That must be why Cree dogs have no teeth...

Xcathdra
what im saying is when you compare the images on the glyph, are you comparing it as it, or are you rotating the image and comparing.

Sorry Xcathdra, I'm not sure what you mean. When comparing it with what?

Would it be a North American Indian carving?
It might be sandstone
It's an interesting and exciting find.

I hope you can get some answers

reply to post by CraftBuilder


He's asking about perspective. When you look at the petroglyph on the obverse are you always looking at it from the same angle/direction ie a view consistent with the photos posted in the OP or have you thought to rotate the object to see if the image gives a different appearance when viewed from the new perspective. The side with the sun will be fairly consistent no matter ow you rotate it where the obverse will appear differently. It may give the appearance of a different animal for example if you rotated the stone 180 degrees or 90 deg.

As soon as I saw the first image, for some reason the recollection of a widows-mite roman coin came to mind. These are 2000 years old Judean coins from the time of Jesus.... They are very tiny.

I wonder if there is any connection to the symbolism on this large stone object.






IMHO, but that stone object seems quite old and I wonder what it was modeled after.

reply to post by violet


I don't know if carving methods this advanced go back far enough in First Peoples (Aboriginal peoples/ Fist Nations, Metis, Indigenous Peoples) culture as we know them historically to account for this carving but I'm no expert.

The stone is very similar to granite. It is very hard, heavy and difficult to work. A relief carving this old in this type of stone makes it particularity impressive. In Alberta there is no flint or obsidian. Until flint imports began, tools such as arrow heads had to be knapped from field stone. They look crude compared to tools knapped from flint but the skill level to do so was much higher.

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Thanks. I've tried, but no epiphanies yet.