Republicans attack reproductive rights again

reply to post by Buttonlip


They're not. If you read, those are exemptions.

seabag
How is this any more ridiculous and intrusive than forcing people to carry insurance that provides abortion coverage or forcing people to carry insurance or be fined?? Seems like some tyrannical views are be forced on me, too.

Everyone needs healthcare at some point. Not everyone gets impregnated by rape or has a life threatening pregnancy. Quite a gap in your logic.

ketsuko
reply to post by Buttonlip

 

They're not. If you read, those are exemptions.

If you are paying attention, those exemptions are also being attacked through the loopholes in this proposed legislation.

reply to post by CB328


Is like everything, As usual the Republic rats are trying to gain votes from the hard core fundamentalist right in the nation that was so trusting of the government during the Bush administration.

After all I guess they can not trust next elections solely on the failure of the Demo craps Obama care they need something else to ensure a win, so there they go again with the abortion issue that played so well for Bush during his reach for votes in his second term.

Nothing but politics as usual, and for the religiousness of the Republic rats I laugh at that one, is nothing but politics and fools those that believe the promises.

Look what the man of change did for those that trusted the him during his campaign of change, both political parties are nothing but full of crap.

ketsuko
All right, I'll make it. Why should a single woman buy a policy covering things like prostate exams and impotence drugs like Viagra and Cialis? And I have made that argument plenty of times.

People should only have to buy the coverage they need.

As a married woman, we have a policy that covers both men's and women's health because we need both covered. That's what we need. However, when I hit menopause, why should I still have to pay for maternity? It's not like I will need it anymore.

People are not responsible for everyone else's health. Why should I be responsible for smoker down the street or the marijuana addict two blocks over? Why should I be forced to help cover the obese person who gets diabetes as a result of their own life choices? Why should they be forced to help toe the bills for my migraines?

I am responsible for myself and my family just like you are responsible for yours. Keep your nose out of my business and I'll do the same. Stop telling me that everyone out there is my business to pay for. They're not.

Ah I get it. That good old Christian "I got mine, F the rest of the world." And people wonder why the US us 35th in healthcare yet we spend the most money on it. Maybe if you did not live in part of a society, you would have a point. Just because you go through menopause does not mean you were not born. Someone had to cover that. Hey, how about why should I care if people in car accidents get healtcare? I am not getting into car accidents so screw them, right?

reply to post by Buttonlip

Everyone needs healthcare at some point. Not everyone gets impregnated by rape or has a life threatening pregnancy. Quite a gap in your logic.

Everyone in this country is FREE (or at least we’re supposed to be). I shouldn’t be fined for not buying insurance and someone with abortion coverage shouldn’t be penalized for taking the deduction…it’s really that simple.

Stay out of my life and I’ll stay out of yours.

reply to post by Buttonlip


As I said, you can't have this both ways.

Either what goes on with your body is your own and entirely your business including how you choose to deal with it, or you make it everyone else's because they are forced to help pay for it via the state.

Which would you prefer?

Myself, I would prefer to keep my privacy and keep it my business.

You seem to think you can have free stuff AND retain your privacy. Well, you can't. Now, what goes on in your bedroom is entirely also my business because you are demanding that I help pay for it.

Ask yourself....how would society be, without the option to have an abortion? Also, you say in your title "reproductive rights", but then post something regarding abortion? There is no reproduction when a woman terminates life. Isn't that a contradiction to your post?

And yeah, FOR THE RECORD, i'm totally opposed to abortion! Life begins when semen meets egg. Abortion is just an option to do stupid things, without facing the consequences of your actions! The whole basis for abortion is an "unwanted" pregnancy. Well, there are 2 options: 1) STOP HAVING SEX or 2) BE WISER! Please, don't go there on the "rape" argument. That's just another "excuse". The chances of a woman getting raped are slim. The chances of her getting pregnant, when she was raped, even slimmer! That's why they made "exemptions for rape cases".

I don't care if you call me all kinds of "evil" in the book, either. She's carrying a baby! Who's speaking up for the baby, that the doctors want to forcefully suck out of her??? God made a system for that, it's called: miscarriage!

I shouldn't have to pay for YOUR mistake, and neither should anyone else.

teslahowitzer
most republicans are of religion, various sects, so nothing new there..news flash...abortion is unethical in their mindset, it should not be used for birth control. This is one of few that I part from the right on, as the government should NEVER tell you what to do with your body...or your healthcare...

I wonder....what do they think of induced labor? Induced labor is basically aborting the unborn before nature says they are ready to be birthed. If they are ok with induced labor, then what's the problem with abortion? Seriously, when someone gets an abortion, the religious right can be right there to take the fetus and place it in an incubator and let the survival of the fetus fall in God's hands.

Oh how bloody effing evil!!

Really how dare me not being forced to pay for someones abortion!

Oh damn.

Newsflash that doesn't mean women can't kill their own children.

Just means I don't have to subsidize it.

LeatherNLace

teslahowitzer
most republicans are of religion, various sects, so nothing new there..news flash...abortion is unethical in their mindset, it should not be used for birth control. This is one of few that I part from the right on, as the government should NEVER tell you what to do with your body...or your healthcare...

I wonder....what do they think of induced labor? Induced labor is basically aborting the unborn before nature says they are ready to be birthed. If they are ok with induced labor, then what's the problem with abortion? Seriously, when someone gets an abortion, the religious right can be right there to take the fetus and place it in an incubator and let the survival of the fetus fall in God's hands.

edit on 9-1-2014 by LeatherNLace because: (no reason given)

Intent. One is with the intent to save the life. The other is with the intent to kill.

Did you seriously not think about this? It's not about the process; it's about the outcome. If you believe that a baby is a baby at any point before it exits the womb, then you also tend to believe that it has a right to its life and taking that life for an arbitrary reason like it being "inconvenient" is a form of murder and a violation of that basic, unalienable right.

It also doesn't have to be a religious position to take. I've run into plenty of non-religious people who believe that life begins at some point before birth, as it logically has to if a baby can be born with a chance of survival as early as 20 weeks these days, and clearly we consider a baby a human after it is born. There is no real difference between the child outside the womb and one inside it except location, so what rational reason is there to allow a woman to kill a child who could be viable outside the womb simply because it's existence is inconvenient for her?

This is far different from the question of rape, incest or preserving the life of the mother, but those cases make up a miniscule portion of the overall abortion cases in the US each year. Most of them are undertaken for simple birth control reasons, and it's disingenuous to hide behind rape, incest and life of the mother to try to suggest otherwise.

Buttonlip
I bet your mom would really appreciate you not wanting to chip in for the overall health of the general population since she had lady parts and you do not. Last time I checked, it took a man and woman to make a baby and you were apparently made were you not? Would your mother deny you medical care that covers your prostate? Odd how I never see that argument.

edit on 9-1-2014 by Buttonlip because: eta

You do realize my mother did NOT abort me don't you?

How does my reluctance to cover abortion relate to my mother NOT aborting me and raising me to adulthood? Furthermore what does insurance have to do with actual medical care? Money has nothing to do with actual treatment, it is merely a social contract. This law is pathetic, with a $4,000 deductible and possibly no tax credit for the monthly premiums I am simple paying for all treatments out of pocket anyways.

Sham shame shame is that all you've got?

Lame argumentative tactics, go back to the lab and come up with a better strategy because the one you are currently employing is weak.

-FBB

reply to post by CB328


Midterm election cycle is coming up. Time to pull out the usual suspects. I'm sure we'll hear about gay marriage, illegal immigration and gun rights in the coming media festivities. What's sad is that people can't actually contemplate the real essence of the issues any longer, because the media barrage is so omnipresent. 24 news cycle...worst invention EVAH!

Yeah man. Death is bad.Preserve all life as possible.Just go to any war zone ,it'll come to ya.

trumpet
reply to post by CB328

 

Midterm election cycle is coming up. Time to pull out the usual suspects. I'm sure we'll hear about gay marriage, illegal immigration and gun rights in the coming media festivities. What's sad is that people can't actually contemplate the real essence of the issues any longer, because the media barrage is so omnipresent. 24 news cycle...worst invention EVAH!

Hey if one side doesn't bring it up, the other will make sure they do.

It all depends on who thinks they can gain the most from it.

reply to post by ketsuko


Amen. These are real issues, but the media bias/shouting drives me crazy. It's really caused or society to be unreasonable with each other.

reply to post by CB328


It's truly amazing how many Republicans have suddenly found their conscience and God, thanks to Obamacare!

Before Obamacare went into effect, more than 80 percent of private insurance plans in the United States covered abortion as if it were any other medical procedure. But banning the insurance coverage of abortion has recently become popular among state legislatures as a way to prevent women for being able to pay for the procedure.

"Up until recently, the private insurance market has seen abortion coverage as routine and non-controversial, and now we have Congress and politicians reaching into the private sector to try and get rid of abortion using this approach," said Susan Wood, associate professor of health policy at George Washington University.

Seems to me that proposed law doesn't do anything to protect taxpayers from having to pay for evil abortions, it just attempts to financially intimidate employers and individuals who "keep their policies" with legal abortive services, will not be able to claim tax credits/subsidies for their entire insurance policy!

A panel of 12 men on the House Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on a bill Thursday that would deny tax subsidies to women and small businesses who purchase health insurance plans that include abortion coverage.

I see no provision for barring tax credits/subsidies for only a portion of the insurance policy that covers abortion. Unless there is some provision to separate the costs between the 2 potential policies, seems like an undue burden on women and I think it's discrimination.