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I cant wait for North Korea to step out of line honestly...our response will be overwhelming and utterly devastating. Boy I hope I can enlist and train up before this happens, I wanna be there exacting some justice on them commies!
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Thank You.. It's good to be realistic on North Korea...
Oh sure.. Kim could never ..ever..in a million years actually defeat the U.S. or likely even Japan for that matter ...
reply to post by TDawgRex
Oh come on, wall to wall your idiots and appease your crazies with pointy things and ranges and they'll be fine...so long as they stop taking felons.
reply to post by Xcathdra
Well, we can certainly disagree... I'm basing my assessment on the lengthy effort I put into the details of North Korea and it's order of battle as well as inventory to fight with back when I wrote the multi-thread series on the DPRK.
It's not a matter of who fights better...it's pure math. If our guys are in range of the North Korean side of the DMZ, it's going to rain high explosive artillery at the rate of thousands of rounds, a few times a minute until they are suppressed (many many thousands of them) or run out of ammo ......as troops, many times our number, come south right behind the lifting artillery to literally run over Seoul in a flat mad run to the southern tip of the Peninsula.
I'm not sure how they figure this, but then....it's North Korea. They figure taking the land mass will leave outside help stymied and blocked, giving them a victory in place similar to Kuwait after Iraq took it ....at least for awhile. It's stinkin' thinkin', but they also have the armor, artillery and manpower at or near the DMZ to make one hell of a victory march for at least a few days ...and a few days would ravage South Korea on a full rampage south like that.edit on 8-1-2014 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)
Even if China was totally pissed off. Does anybody think that they would allow the West to occupy North Korea? I think not. It would be a replay of the 50's but on a grander scale.
China supports the "independent and peaceful reunification of the Korean peninsula in the long term" and cannot afford to give the North Korean regime the impression it has a blank cheque to act any way it wants, Chinese officials based in Europe said today.
The officials, who asked not to be identified, spoke after the Guardian reported that senior figures in Beijing, exasperated with North Korea acting like a "spoiled child", had told South Korean counterparts China was leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control.
The leaked North Korea dispatches detail how:
• South Korea's vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul's control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing.
• China's vice-foreign minister told US officials that Pyongyang was behaving like a "spoiled child" to get Washington's attention in April 2009 by carrying out missile tests.
• A Chinese ambassador warned that North Korean nuclear activity was "a threat to the whole world's security".
• Chinese officials assessed that it could cope with an influx of 300,000 North Koreans in the event of serious instability, according to a representative of an international agency, but might need to use the military to seal the border.
In highly sensitive discussions in February this year, the-then South Korean vice-foreign minister, Chun Yung-woo, told a US ambassador, Kathleen Stephens, that younger generation Chinese Communist party leaders no longer regarded North Korea as a useful or reliable ally and would not risk renewed armed conflict on the peninsula, according to a secret cable to Washington.
Chun, who has since been appointed national security adviser to South Korea's president, said North Korea had already collapsed economically.
Political collapse would ensue once Kim Jong-il died, despite the dictator's efforts to obtain Chinese help and to secure the succession for his son, Kim Jong-un.
"The two officials, Chun said, were ready to 'face the new reality' that the DPRK [North Korea] now had little value to China as a buffer state – a view that, since North Korea's first nuclear test in 2006, had reportedly gained traction among senior PRC [People's Republic of China] leaders. Chun argued that in the event of a North Korean collapse, China would clearly 'not welcome' any US military presence north of the DMZ [demilitarised zone]. Again citing his conversations with [the officials], Chun said the PRC would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the US in a 'benign alliance' – as long as Korea was not hostile towards China. Tremendous trade and labour-export opportunities for Chinese companies, Chun said, would also help 'salve' PRC concerns about … a reunified Korea.
"Chun dismissed the prospect of a possible PRC military intervention in the event of a DPRK collapse, noting that China's strategic economic interests now lie with the United States, Japan and South Korea – not North Korea."
reply to post by Xcathdra
If war were to break out on the penisula, there would be serious dancing on the diplomatic front as everybody jockeys for sides. North Korea would probably cease to exist as a country. But China would get ther portion of pie as well.
Pretty scary stuff over all.