A proposed technical means of generating UFO-type liminal experiences.

An encounter with the UFO phenomena seems to have major liminal attributes to it. I think this is something we can safely conclude from the data collected over the years. Although it would seem to be a mystical aspect of the phenomena, I’m confident that we can figure out the mechanism at work here. For first-time readers, I recommend familizationing yourself with The GUT’s thread on the electromagnetic aspect of the phenomena.

Special Note: Do not try this at home. Seriously, this could really mess your brain up. You want controlled laboratory conditions and specialists, etc. My intention is to see if anyone has tried this approach in a laboratory setting – as I've never heard of anything like this being done before. If not, then I hope that someone reading this can forward it to the appropriate people if there is any merit to it. I’m not a STEM major, I just read a lot. I'm probably wrong. Tdlr: don’t lobotomize yourself with a laser.

Michael Persinger saved me the trouble of having to explain a bunch of stuff with this convenient video:


So what can we conclude from this? It seems that ‘contact’ with the geopsyche/noosphere/collective unconscious can be caused by the stimulation of the right-hemisphere temporal lobe – specifically the mesiobasal portion – and the entrainment of the areas neurons to the theta state (7hz in the video, but it seems to range from 4-7hz in the stuff I've read). This also seems to be the region responsible for the ‘contactee’ experience…

“Both theoretical and clinical evidence suggest that transient neuroelectrical discrepancy between the left and right temporal lobes is a precondition for the sense of a presence.”[2]

“We have found that exposure to low-intensity, extremely low-frequency brain frequency fields evoke partial amnesia, exacerbate vestibular image, and alter suggestibility. The difficulty of focusing applied magnetic fields in order to excite very small areas (< 1cm2) of deep temporal lobe tissue is a primary technical impedance.”[2]

“In addition, mediation or prayer, as, for example, the repetition of a mantra, is perhaps the strongest verbal analogue of kindling, and can generate specific temporal lobe lability. If ACTH fragments are essential for normal amygdaloid kindling, then psychological stress may be a prerequisite for the maintenance of the amygdaloid activity that mediates and promotes the perception of the “visitor”.”

So you’re probably wondering where I’m going with this… Needless to say, MRI studies would appear to be real tricky to pull off with the traditional electromagnetic field, or direct current approaches – given the nature of the MRI process. Photic driving and binaural tones can pull off entrainment, but they can’t be localized to a specific part of the brain. Now there does appear to be a solution, and a rather nifty one at that. I found it in TechnoMage…

“So, returning from our excursion into vanity, a technique whose efficacy I cannot comment upon. It is the use of high intensity near-IR LED’s to penetrate the skull and directly impinge upon brain tissue. At the wavelength used, typically around 900nm, it seems that the skull is fairly transparent to the radiation.”[3]

Now there is very little published data about this, and most of the experimental work seems to be done via hobbyists (that we know of). Power density of the IR source should be around 100mW per cm2. Now LED’s are one way to go about this…the other possibility is to use a 900nm laser. This would allow for precision targeting of the mesiobasal region, and it can be used while the subject is in an MRI machine for real-time imaging and target adjustment.

Now, John Keel noted the association between the UFO phenomena and infrared radiation back in the 1960’s. Indeed, he found correlations between sighting flaps and outbreaks of fires (and deaths by lightening) – which also correlated to poltergeist activity. Also the whole ‘illumination’ experience that Keel ran into, ie Phillip K Dick and all that jazz. Pulharich’s ESP drug work seemed to have something like Muscimol at its heart, and John Lilly was using ketamine for his ‘ECCO’ stuff. There might be some kind of connection here between dissociative drugs, and the region of the brain that seems to be responsible for all this.

Now, my initial line of thinking was that combustion produced VLF/ELF radiation that caused perturbations in the geopsyche network…but I don’t think simple fires would put out enough in that part of the spectrum to do anything. Which is a shame, because I really wanted to poke the weird links between the phenomena and the Enochian stuff; although it should be said there might be some kind of bizarre coordinate thing going on (ie apply Vallee’s coordinate remote viewing technique to accessing the EM noosphere) that can guide what the person experiences. Something of this type has been pulled off IRL by occultists using some weird Russian plasma arc device (so I’m told) to guide group day dream imagery. Enochian could be acting as the coordinates for a particular meme in the geopsyche… Also its worth noting the mediation bit by Persinger, and Whitney Striebers use of double-tone chanting (via the Gurdjieff Foundation) in his contact experiences. Plus the weird stuff that went on at Livermore National Laboratory when they tried to investigate Uri Geller involved infrared hot spots on camera. Very curious, and to be frank, terrifying.

Anyway, have I added anything interesting here? :p

1. Keel, John A.. Operation Trojan Horse: the classic breakthrough study of UFOs. San Antonio, TX: Anomalist Books, 2147483647.
2. Stillings, Dennis, and Micheal A. Persinger. "The "Visitor" Experience and the Personality: The Temporal Lobe Factor ." In Cyberbiological studies of the imaginal component in the UFO contact experience. St. Paul, MN: Archaeus Project, 1989. 157-171.
3. Bruere, Dirk. TechnoMage. Bedford: Dirk Bruere, 2009.

Part 2:
Edit: for some reason I can't get the entire thing posted. Dunno what I'm doing wrong. Pastebin is also edited out of my URL's for some reason.

...this is odd.

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Hi 1ofthe9,

Where are you getting these quotes from? The video?

“Both theoretical and clinical evidence suggest that transient neuroelectrical discrepancy between the left and right temporal lobes is a precondition for the sense of a presence.”[2]

I am trying to draw a bead on what you mean by the "contactee experience". The mention of a "sense of presence" is something that intrigues me because it is a feature of both sleep paralysis and the experiences reported by "contactees" and "abductees.

Seems to me there would be the potential to turn this into a mass weapon.

Wouldn't a person be able to induce a 'contact' state by meditating to those frequencies?

Sorry if these are undereducated questions; I'm running as fast as I can, trying to keep up!

Bybyots
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Hi 1ofthe9,

Where are you getting these quotes from? The video?

“Both theoretical and clinical evidence suggest that transient neuroelectrical discrepancy between the left and right temporal lobes is a precondition for the sense of a presence.”[2]

I am trying to draw a bead on what you mean by the "contactee experience". The mention of a "sense of presence" is something that intrigues me because it is a feature of both sleep paralysis and the experiences reported by "contactees" and "abductees.

No. I actually have a bibliography attached to my write up... I can see it when I edit the post, but the post just won't display past a certain bit. Its worse in my second post. I dunno if I angered the forum software gods or what. Pastebin seems to be a banned link as well.

Bybyots
I am trying to draw a bead on what you mean by the "contactee experience". The mention of a "sense of presence" is something that intrigues me because it is a feature of both sleep paralysis and the experiences reported by "contactees" and "abductees.

I mean the strange liminal state that UFO's seem to be able to put people into.

Lemme try again from where the first post stopped:

“We have found that exposure to low-intensity, extremely low-frequency brain frequency fields evoke partial amnesia, exacerbate vestibular image, and alter suggestibility. The difficulty of focusing applied magnetic fields in order to excite very small areas (

nugget1
Seems to me there would be the potential to turn this into a mass weapon.

Wouldn't a person be able to induce a 'contact' state by meditating to those frequencies?

Sorry if these are undereducated questions; I'm running as fast as I can, trying to keep up!

Possibly.

Also I managed to get a working link to my write up in the OP.
But here it is again just in case.

Maybe I pissed the Trickster off tonight.

Your original post has been fixed by inserting a space between the "

Maybe I pissed the Trickster off tonight.

Heheh...which one?

Very interested in this thread. Sparked something for me. Hope the bugs get worked out. I'll be back with the "something" it sparked. Bumpity for now.

Apologies for the double post and the cut off reply. It's tough modding from a cell phone. Anyway the moral of the story is always leave a space after <

Your original post has been fixed by inserting a space between the "< " and the "1cm" right where the visible portion cut off. The computer thought it was intended as a code bracket rather than a character.

The Vagabond: Thanks!

GUT: I'm real curious to see what you got.




Incidently you can do much more then 'illuminate' someone with a IR laser...as Travis Walton found out.

1ofthe9
Incidently you can do much more then 'illuminate' someone with a IR laser...as Travis Walton found out.

Pulsed Energy Projectile or PEP is a technology of non-lethal weaponry currently under development by the U.S. military. It involves the emission of an invisible laser pulse which, upon contact with the target, ablates the surface and creates a small amount of exploding plasma. This produces a pressure wave that stuns the target and knocks them off their feet, and electromagnetic radiation that affects nerve cells causing a painful sensation. The technology can also be used as a lethal weapon, and indeed an early name was Pulsed Impulsive Kill Laser (PIKL).

PEP is intended for riot control and is said to work over distances of up to 2 km. It weighs about 230 kg and will probably be mounted on vehicles. The weight could become lighter as laser production technology improves.

The system was developed by Mission Research Corporation (now owned by Alliant Techsystems). It uses a chemical deuterium fluoride laser device producing infrared laser pulses. The plasma (produced by the early part of the pulse) explodes because its electrons absorb the energy of the later part of the pulse.

In 2003, a US military review reported[citation needed] that the electromagnetic radiation produced by PEPs had been shown to cause pain and temporary paralysis in animal experiments.

The "spark" : Found the following in Caryn Anscomb's 5-part article UFO Trickster Tales

Not sure about the info or how it has panned out since, but our "weird science" friends seem to be consistently looking in a few specific directions for their own answers as many here know.

...ongoing research in the field of cognitive sciences and neurology has possibly led to a significant find: a non-endogenous signal may have been detected in the prefrontal cortex of the brain.

The prefrontal cortex is the anterior part of the frontal lobes of the brain, lying in front of the motor and pre-motor areas. Divided into the lateral, orbito-frontal and medial prefrontal areas, this brain region has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behaviors, personality expression and moderating correct social behavior.

Although it is to soon to know the extent of this discovery, as it remains very hush hush, if proved correct the discovery will have a profound impact on how we view the emergence of consciousness, and if / how our conscious / subconscious minds might be influenced by an ‘outside’ signal. Not least, where this ‘signal’ might originate from...

This experiment from Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green might be of interest, too.

In 2008, Dr. Green had moved to China to act as assistant dean for Asia Pacific of the Wayne State School of Medicine, where he was able to meet Gao and discuss ideas for a telepathy experiment.

Dr. Green’s idea was to use fMRI brain scanning machines to objectively observe and record human test subjects in telepathically entangled states.

“I want to put a remote viewer person with proven skills at receiving mentation from a sender in one magnet, and the proven sender in a second magnet simultaneously…

link

The GUT
The "spark" : Found the following in Caryn Anscomb's 5-part article UFO Trickster Tales

Not sure about the info or how it has panned out since, but our "weird science" friends seem to be consistently looking in a few specific directions for their own answers as many here know.

...ongoing research in the field of cognitive sciences and neurology has possibly led to a significant find: a non-endogenous signal may have been detected in the prefrontal cortex of the brain.

The prefrontal cortex is the anterior part of the frontal lobes of the brain, lying in front of the motor and pre-motor areas. Divided into the lateral, orbito-frontal and medial prefrontal areas, this brain region has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behaviors, personality expression and moderating correct social behavior.

Although it is to soon to know the extent of this discovery, as it remains very hush hush, if proved correct the discovery will have a profound impact on how we view the emergence of consciousness, and if / how our conscious / subconscious minds might be influenced by an ‘outside’ signal. Not least, where this ‘signal’ might originate from...

This experiment from Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green might be of interest, too.

In 2008, Dr. Green had moved to China to act as assistant dean for Asia Pacific of the Wayne State School of Medicine, where he was able to meet Gao and discuss ideas for a telepathy experiment.

Dr. Green’s idea was to use fMRI brain scanning machines to objectively observe and record human test subjects in telepathically entangled states.

“I want to put a remote viewer person with proven skills at receiving mentation from a sender in one magnet, and the proven sender in a second magnet simultaneously…

link

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Ahahaha.

We're assuming that there is a feedback mechanism involved in the operations of the control system; if you change the information that's carried back to that system, you might be able to infiltrate it through its own feedback.

I knew it. His time with Engelbart and friends had more influence then you would think from his visible UFO-work. Does Greer have any interesting connections per chance? Also Kit Green's experiment gave me the idea for this thread in the first place. Figured it might help if the 'telepaths' are properly enhanced.

Memes all the way down.

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I mean the strange liminal state that UFO's seem to be able to put people into.

There's kind of a "chicken and egg" problem there, don't you think? The problem of which came first, the liminal state or the UFO. Lately I am going with the liminal state.

Bybyots
There's kind of a "chicken and egg" problem there, don't you think? The problem of which came first, the liminal state or the UFO. Lately I am going with the liminal state.

Which, even then, seems to have caused somewhat of a split in the scientific arm of the intelligence apparatus (and amongst others.) Meaning: Does the "liminal state" part a veil between human and non-human intelligence, or simply produce similarly thematic hyper-real hallucinations?

Whichever, the whole shebangy has produced a continued--more than 50 years old and counting--of consciousness, neurological, and quantum-type study.

I'd say I have to agree with the birds that there's a very good chance some answers do reside in these lines of inquiry.

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Well, if we could get someone rich to buy us all a shakti helmet and plane tickets to my peyote church in the desert then I guarantee we would get results.

BlueMule
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Well, if we could get someone rich to buy us all a shakti helmet and plane tickets to my peyote church in the desert then I guarantee we would get results.

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Thats something to ask Kit Green. :p A MRI peyote study would be interesting...

Also GUT, I grabbed two cheap ebooks by Gary Bekkum last night. He's thinking along the same lines I am.

1ofthe9

Thats something to ask Kit Green.

Who

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Does the "liminal state" part a veil between human and non-human intelligence,

From the OP, it seems that we are talking about a temporal lobe seizure here, as the basis for this liminal state; have I got that right?