'Polar Vortex' to Blast Frigid Air Over Much of US

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

Excellent post SonOfTheLawOfOne.
The only reason the weather gets mentioned on this site is so they can further the lie. Watch closely and we see the same members posting the same stuff over and over, using any excuse to attach it to climate change.

Kali74
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

 

They most certainly did NOT, that is a straight up LIE! You added an additional link to your post after I called you out in my previous posts, thus why I said BOTH your sources, because there were 2, not the third one you added. That is deceitful and deceptive, and shows me what level you'll go to in order to push your own personal agenda that links any weather phenomenon to a global warming meme.

And that is EXACTLY why I said I knew where this thread was going. You've established my argument.

edit on 4-1-2014 by SonOfTheLawOfOne because: (no reason given)

reply to post by VoidHawk


Thank you for the support.

They also love to use sources like skeptical science, climate central and others who are constantly refuted.

~Namaste

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

For the record and without any sides taken to the ongoing discussion here? I can't even edit out that edited tag on my own posts. I wish I could at times, as being Mr. Typo is not something to wear with pride, as one might imagine.

However, in terms of forum and board integrity? If a post is re-opened and modified, it's going to carry the edit tag by who did the editing with the date that took place. If there is any exception or way around that, I'm not aware of it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I removed my comments, but I stand by what I said. There were 2 sources. Even with the third, the global warming slant is clear, and there is nothing factual linking the two events, only speculation and subjectivity from a single sourced author who links his sources back to himself from a well-known global-warming biased site.

~Namaste

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

I'd love to see a topic on the weather not bring global warming into it.

Just curious - but, why?

You make a few interesting points in your post - and go as far as complimenting the OP

Let the thread go where it goes

The planet is fascinating - for sure. Everything thing that happens on it is worth examining, studying and discussing. Some of us believe there is something different in the wind these days - what of it?

This is why we're here

You got a lot of stars for that - and will probably get a bunch more

So, people are tired of hearing this particular drum beat...

Tough :-)

If you think there's nothing going on - present your evidence. If you just don't want to hear about it - should you move along to another thread maybe? Some of us are here to hear what peeps got to say

That'll help food prices!
Time to stock up again...

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Why???

Because EVERY single topic about the weather on ATS either starts with, or descends into, an argument about global warming with sources back and forth that completely and totally contradict each other. Everyone spends their time defending who is "right" and whose "facts" are more correct than the others instead of actually talking about the weather in a way that highlights an understanding of it.

It never ends in any other way, there is no pleasant discourse or discussion. It starts with:

... "some things are happening with the weather"

THEN...

"oh, it's a natural cycle says this person or paper"

OR

"oh, it's global warming says this person or paper"

From there, cited papers fly back and forth, sources to articles and websites, which then turns into a pissing contest of the authors or owners or those papers and sources and who has any credibility and why you should BELIEVE one part over another. It's like a damn religion, and it has to stop if we're ever going to actually get to the part of creating solutions to whatever problems MIGHT (by chance or probability) happen.

You still get a % of rain or snow for a daily weather forecast. You get 3 days for hurricane tracks. How does anyone honestly put any merit or faith into predictions of near certainty that the entire planet's climate will change, not based on % or probability, but as though it's fact? You don't get weather facts, you get weather forecasts, and they never go more than 10 days out because they're usually WRONG.

If you want to dive into that rabbit hole with these fine folks, indulge away.

~Namaste

SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I removed my comments, but I stand by what I said. There were 2 sources. Even with the third, the global warming slant is clear, and there is nothing factual linking the two events, only speculation and subjectivity from a single sourced author who links his sources back to himself from a well-known global-warming biased site.

~Namaste

All four sources I used, were there when you read my post the first time, you just didn't fully read my whole post and won't admit it. There is no way to edit your post without it showing.

There very much is fact linking the events, not just speculation from one author... my fourth source is a published scientific study explaining the link between them. To summarize my OP for you...

AP reports that we are due for another extremely cold spell in much of the US, they say in their article that this is because of the polar vortex, I say that isn't the whole story and ask why the polar vortex is throwing extremely cold temperatures our way and then attempt to answer my question with some science sources which say that Sudden Stratospheric Warming Events cause the walls of the polar vortex to weaken and spill cold temperatures all over the place and that these "events" are happening more frequently due to global warming.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Thank-you Wrabbit.

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne


I'm not afraid of a little back and forth :-)

This is a subject I'm interested in - additionally

I'm tired of hearing about what a lame president Obama is - I stay out of those threads

As to what does or doesn't get to be a subject for a thread - as I mentioned - if you don't enjoy the back and forth - then don't read or post in the thread

A sincerely and decidedly very low blood pressure kinda Namaste to you my friend

:-)

SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

Why???

Because EVERY single topic about the weather on ATS either starts with, or descends into, an argument about global warming

Actually, I don't think the recent threads I've started on storms in the UK have done that.

I could speculate on the reason why .....

But I agree. Daily weather is to AGW what United winning the game today is to England winning the World Cup. There's a connection, for sure, but we can discuss the one without reference to the other. And certainly the one does not directly relate to the other.

VoidHawk
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

 

Excellent post SonOfTheLawOfOne.
The only reason the weather gets mentioned on this site is so they can further the lie. Watch closely and we see the same members posting the same stuff over and over, using any excuse to attach it to climate change.

What about when someone who doesn't believe global warming is manmade posts an article about weather or climate change?

Yes I post about global warming often, it's something I am passionate about because I feel it is the greatest threat to liberty and to all of humanity. I do not post to further a lie. You can disagree with me all you like but if you attack my integrity you leave me no choice but to defend myself as opposed to discuss the topic.

Now which is it for you? Do you want to bring some facts to the table and discuss the topic or did you just intend to drive by post, drop an attack and leave?

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

Perhaps we can discuss the weather without it being "linked" to global warming?

So you want do discuss weather without discussing weather hem...

Global warming is a bad name to use especially in face of directly and sporadic observable decreasing temperatures, you should call it Climate Change since Global warming is meant to signify that the medium temperatures are rising not that overall weather is getting warmer all the time. Climate Change is due to the excess energy in weather systems (to what global warming is one of the results but does not provide a good global description, especially to the common man).

Kali74
Now which is it for you? Do you want to bring some facts to the table and discuss the topic or did you just intend to drive by post, drop an attack and leave?

Fact. As noted by another member, YOU added the global warming slant. YOU altered your OP after people had noted what you had done.

True or false?

reply to post by AndyMayhew

There's a connection, for sure, but we can discuss the one without reference to the other. And certainly the one does not directly relate to the other.

Well my intention here is to discuss global warming impacts on weather. Specifically why global warming sometimes means cold ass winters.

Global warming? What about the millions of tons of methane being pumped into the atmosphere by fracking big oil?

VoidHawk

Kali74
Now which is it for you? Do you want to bring some facts to the table and discuss the topic or did you just intend to drive by post, drop an attack and leave?

Fact. As noted by another member, YOU added the global warming slant. YOU altered your OP after people had noted what you had done.

True or false?

False, I did not. Read all the posts that came after his accusal. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to throw some hero worship behind someone just because they share a stance with you. He was very wrong and so are you.

reply to post by HUMBLEONE


Can't help any can it?