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PlanetXisHERE
The Manhattan project had hundreds of scientists and thousands of people working on it.........and not one security breach.
Morris Cohen – American, "Thanks to Cohen, designers of the Soviet atomic bomb got piles of technical documentation straight from the secret laboratory in Los Alamos," the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda said. Morris and his wife, Lona, served eight years in prison, less than half of their sentences before being released in a prisoner swap with The Soviet Union. He died without revealing the name of the American scientist who helped pass vital information about the United States atomic bomb project. source
AugustusMasonicus
PlanetXisHERE
The Manhattan project had hundreds of scientists and thousands of people working on it.........and not one security breach.
History proves you wrong on that account, the Soviets had spies in the Manhattan Project almost from day one. This is where they were able to get practical information and accelerate the development of their own weapons program.
Morris Cohen – American, "Thanks to Cohen, designers of the Soviet atomic bomb got piles of technical documentation straight from the secret laboratory in Los Alamos," the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda said. Morris and his wife, Lona, served eight years in prison, less than half of their sentences before being released in a prisoner swap with The Soviet Union. He died without revealing the name of the American scientist who helped pass vital information about the United States atomic bomb project. source
PlanetXisHERE
The public though had no idea about it and that is the analogy which is relevant to this thread, thanks for the info though, I did not know about what you posted.
WonOunce
reply to post by DJW001
How do you know it is not working as intended? For all we know the temperatures could have risen much higher if not for chemtrails. The fact is no one has evidence for or against this, and not being open minded about the subject, well that's just the highest form of ignorance.
luxordelphi
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
S&F. What an excellent thread! The perils of chemtrailing as geo-engineering and the side-effects that this effort could bring: that, imo, is what we face now. Will have to read your OP once more and then the replies - just wanted to let you know how important this topic is and how dear to my heart for our planet.
waynos
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
I have been unable to locate the article I had in mind on Flights online archive so I will go through my own hard copies for it. I withdraw that point until I can support it. I know, should've waited
I point-blank refuse to even entertain the idea of so-called 'man-made global warming' simply because anyone can discern neolithic man, all one or two million of them world-wide at the time, and their predecessors before them, could not light enough camp fires, remove enough trees or hunt enough game and fish to cause 'stone-age-man made global warming and climate change'...yet it still happened, throughout our entire history and pre-history.
Think about it.
tsurfer2000h
reply to post by smurfy
Quite simply, no it is not. If you don't know all that goes in, you don't know all that comes out, plus any related unknown chemistry that may result.
But yet they do know what goes in jet fuel...
www.skybrary.aero...
www.exxonmobil.com...
So they also know what comes out.
DJW001
smurfy
We know that aircraft exhaust mostly contains carbon dioxide and water. The is the inevitable result of the fuel being mixed with oxygen. The water vapor condenses into a white cloud. If this did not happen, physical laws would be broken.
Actually it doesn't condense, in the scientific sense. Because the ambient air at cruise altitude is so intensely cold, the water vapor undgoes the process of deposition into ice crystals, which is the opposite of sublimation.
So now it is finally working, but much more noticeable.
The long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft, called contrails, have more of an immediate warming effect on the Earth's surface than the carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases that the aircraft emit, a new study calculates.
DenyObfuscation
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
So now it is finally working, but much more noticeable.
In short
The long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft, called contrails, have more of an immediate warming effect on the Earth's surface than the carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases that the aircraft emit, a new study calculates.
www.livescience.com...
How do these net warming effect clouds bring lower temps?
It is a matter of scale.
DenyObfuscation
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
So now it is finally working, but much more noticeable.
In short
The long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft, called contrails, have more of an immediate warming effect on the Earth's surface than the carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases that the aircraft emit, a new study calculates.
www.livescience.com...
How do these net warming effect clouds bring lower temps?
luxordelphi
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
OK. I read through the thread. Geo-engineering proposals, which would look just like chemtrailing when engaged, caution, essentially, 3 things:
1. Once you start, you can't stop or runaway warming will be the result
2. Too much, too fast could bring on a little ice age
3. We are abjectly ignorant about our own atmosphere and the chemistry and electro-magnetism therein
In the 1950's, with the advent of computers, psycho-cybernetics was born. Since that time, modeling - computer modeling - usage grew. The sophistication of this technique has made it so precise that we allow modeling to determine if new aircraft are safe. And yet all the sophisticated modeling that was done to predict our current climate is in the trash - just so much toilet paper. Our scientists, for the most part, are extremely conscientious and these faults in modeling results I don't attribute to them.
The earth has cycles - true. But these cycles are not phenomenal magic. There is a cause and there is an effect.
A 4th caution that those against geo-engineering (SRM - solar radiation management) give is that the solution to emission's environmental impact is cutting emissions, not more pollution. And that a fix of more pollution, in a poorly understood environment, is fraught with unknown chemical perils.
The big players in the debate on cutting emissions, obviously, have more information than we do. They pulled out the solar system is warming card and everything went away and became climate change.
BUT, PlanetXisHere, we have to pussy-foot around on this site, ignoring observation, embracing studied ignorance and arguing with moneyed agendas.
Love your thread! You go, guy/girl!