More than half of females in bootcamp cannot do 3 pull ups

reply to post by pronto


If you are a service member then you know that a "civvie" is who you swore to protect, so don't trash talk what you signed up to protect, kind defeats the purpose. And i take it by your comment that you have been somewhere and done something. Have you smelled a females period in the places you've been?

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Preach it, its sad how many service members have that same mentality

Here's an abstract idea. Let's do away with the occupations we have going on and let the women & men just live their lives. If a woman wants to be a soldier, let her. If a guy wants to stay home and cook and look after the kids..let him. And for a lil humor...put them soldier boys in them satin panties and lets see if they can do even one pull up. They would be marching all over the place, at attention no doubt!!!

Let them keep working at it. They'll get there.

reply to post by pronto

but on a personal note is that lager/draught or bitter your pix is holding.
why.
if its a YANK lager your stuffed mate. if it is either of the other two and it is less than 7 % its swamp water.
BUT, if yer holding a canadian larger or a kokanee, there will be peace

It's a Rogue Dead Guy Ale from Oregon. German Maibock style @ 6.5% alcohol.



My title is in reference to Arrogant Bastard Ale from Stone Brewery and is 7.2%. My mood is in reference to Sublimely Self-Rightous from the same brewery and is 8.70%

I am not believing this...
When I was in boot camp we did all types of running,exercises of all kinda,before the first week was up...

reply to post by chrismarco


And these chicks want to be equals with men...
Truthfully they are not, some may do as well as the average guy but...
Yes I am a male pig but I treat one woman with the upmost reverence and that is all that matters.
Every time I think of a woman wanting to be a soldier or a cop, I think of the little woman cop that got beat nearly to death by a big guy on her dash cam video.
She only survived because the perps little girl screamed for her Daddy to stop.
I like the old ways better, when women were sexy and feminine and didn't want to be the tough guy.
I'm burly and tough enough, I want my women soft and cuddly.

The problem is in selecting a standard ... and then, inevitably, being unable to enforce it. The US military's wussification has been obvious for decades. They're about the equivalent of a well armed gang. Poor discipline, declining standards, higher regard for special interests ... you name it.

It's the machines that are leading the way these days ... and most of them (programs) are run/maintained by civilians. Soldiers merely operate the equipment that win wars.

reply to post by TheOneElectric


People shouldn't be on "the battlefield", period. There should be no battlefield. This toxic thinking of "men are the protectors and women the nurturers" reduces the value of male life to zero. Nobody should be considered disposable, especially based on something over which nobody has any control, such as gender. Forcing men into the role of "warrior" is just as demeaning (and more dangerous) as confining women to the role of "pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen".

Modern warfare is less about strength anyway, and more about technology and the intelligent use of that technology. There are, of course, physical demands, but none high enough to place any significance in gender differences (minus, perhaps, certain specialty roles).

Males may naturally possess higher aggression and affinity for physical confrontation, but I would argue that very few have any natural urge for real, life and death warfare. In my experience, most people who talk up a big game about "the battlefield" have never truly been there. If they had, they wouldn't hold combat in such high esteem.

reply to post by chrismarco

I agree..I think our military could rely less on physical strength if we actually employed the might of our military which includes all the fancy gadgets

Take it from me, there are no fancy gadgets to get a wounded soldier out of the line of fire.

There are no fancy gadgets for carrying an m240 machine gun to your helicopter and back to the arms room in my case, along with all of my flight gear, go bag, and additional provisions in case my helicopter is involved in a crash or precautionary landing in a combat zone.

You have to be physically fit. The fact that anyone can question the validity of physical fitness in the military is ridiculous. Physical fitness can mean the difference between life and death. What if I become isolated in enemy territory? Little sleep, little food and water, exposure to elements. These things take a huge toll on you when you are physically fit. What if you're not? You will die. There is no gadget to save you from these situations.

We have the the very real potential of facing situations like these in my line of work. I stay very fit and keep up on my training as much as possible because I may have to carry my friends out of a burning helicopter or traverse several miles of enemy territory in order to reach friendly forces in the event that my helicopter doesn't make it and I survive. And that is if I'm in one piece.

There's no technology for that. No magic bullet.

reply to post by ValerieDivusen

Modern warfare is less about strength anyway, and more about technology and the intelligent use of that technology. There are, of course, physical demands, but none high enough to place any significance in gender differences (minus, perhaps, certain specialty roles).

Tell that to SF and infantry teams on patrol. Tell that to ARF and QRF soldiers. Tell that to aviators who face the real possibility of going down in enemy territory.

In my experience, most people who talk up a big game about "the battlefield" have never truly been there. If they had, they wouldn't hold combat in such high esteem.

Have you been there? Because I'm here now.

I am a female and I was in the US Army for roughly 5 years.
If people go into the military and can't even do three pull ups then they went in 'lazy'.
For two months prior to my entering basic training, I jogged every day and did pushups.
I prepared myself and had an easier time of the physical training in bootcamp.
Most of the women in my basic training company did the same. They prepared.
A few did not ... and it showed.

That being said, generally the men ARE stronger and can do more of the physical.
There are basic physical requirements for each 'job' in the military.
The women who can't do the basic requirements for certain jobs, will not be able to be in them.
However, other 'job's .. like admin or medical ... don't require as much of the physical and therefore
women can occupy more of those positions.

I was a chaplain assistant. It was mostly admin and I was required to be able to drive and
maintain the chaplains jeep in case we went to war. I sucked at the jeep stuff. Couldn't
change the tire and needed help doing it. (I was a 105 pound female teenager and couldn't
lift the jeep tires). Eventually I put on some weight and strength and could do it.

reply to post by chrismarco


I am going to tell you a true story. My daughter was raised on the farm. Good girl she was.. and worked hard.

One year we went to the fair, and of course as all fairs there was a recruiters area. This one was army recruiters I think. Anyway, they were giving away t-shirts or water bottles for people who could complete either one or two of their "challenges"

My daughter, tiny little thing, wanted a t-shirt. They told her she wasn't old enough to do the challenges, that she had to be at least 16.. she was 15 at this time. They said come back next year... she said no... I want the t-shirt this year... (cause she was terribly ornery like that!)

So, she challenged the recruiter... she said, I will do all three of your challenges, all three, one after the other without stopping... if I do all of them, can I have the t-shirt?

He laughed at her, because these were meant as difficult challenges I think... and said sure, if she could do all three then he would give her the t-shirt.

Well, at this point my ornery daughter had gained a crowd, everyone wanted to see this little girl try....

And one challenge after the other she did, with absolute perfection she did them.... and walked away with the t-shirt. As the recruiter was handing her the t-shirt, he said, publicly, that he could NOT do what she just did, and he would be at her school the next year, and the year after that.. hoping she would join the military...

And he did... he showed up at her school a couple times a year just to say hello to her, in hopes that she would be joining.

Its not always male or female, sometimes, some people are just more physically capable... farm work helps that a lot... and so do t-shirts

reply to post by OpinionatedB


(((OB)))

She sounds like me. I am tiny myself and just now reached a time in my life where I hit 100 pounds on the scale without being 6 months pregnant. I have spent my whole life trying to prove that I could do a lot more than people ASSumed I could. It's a source of pride for us smaller folks I believe.

To make a long story short (my sergeant in ROTC) always told me, that it wasn't the size of the dog in the fight.... it was the size of the fight in the dog. That has stuck with me till this day.

Pure willpower and heart can go a hell of a long way for sure.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Yeah she probably was like you then! And she had some fight now too... when she was 14 she was in town after having spent the night at a friends house who lived in town, and the girls had gone to the park there. One of the boys from her school who was 16 was driving by in his truck and saw my daughter so he pulled over and said something to her...

I do not remember exactly what she had said that transpired, but she walked up to the drivers side of the truck, smiling... took hold of the back of his head and bashed his head into the steering wheel, broke his nose.

It was his grandmother who called me first, and told me that my daughter had broken her grandson's nose... lol... FUN conversation that was! hahahaha

yeah... she had some serious fight in her.

She wanted to join the army really badly too... I think she would have given anything to join, but in the end they wouldn't take her because she was type 1 diabetic. (I was relieved!)

She made up for it though... she married an army man... lol

Most men are stronger than most women. Plenty of room in that statement for exceptions.

If the physical standard says you must do X many pull-ups, then you must do X many pull-ups or go home. I don't understand making exceptions for someone just because they are a woman. That's discrimination, not equality.

I'm a fairly fit woman, can run for days, but even in my early twenties I don't think I would be fit enough for a battlefield situation because I lack upper-body strength. There are some situations that I could be an asset, physically, but anything that requires a pull-up type of maneuver I would be dead weight. Or just dead.

Women are strong. But let's not pretend that (as a group) we are physically equal to men, because we are clearly not. We aren't meant to be.

As a side note - I always hate it when someone showing weakness is called a "pussy" and someone showing strength or bravery is told they have "balls". It should be the opposite. A "pussy" is tough as all get-out and can delivery a 10 pound human being, whereas if you barely graze "balls" a man will crumple on the floor in agony.

When I went through Airborne school, there were people fresh out of bootcamp and people that had been in the armed forces for a long time. This includes all branches. Before chow you had to pull off 10 pull ups on a bar set right outside. If you didn't make it to ten you went to the back of the line and waited to start again. There was about 10% of the men that went through on their first go. Everybody else when through the line several times before they ate. Personally, I could do 8 when I started and by the 5th day I was at 10.

Here's the deal though; I was in armor and I'd have two issues with women in combat. First, women have a period every 28 days and damn it can be really hard for some women to deal with. I wouldn't wanna see some chick cramp up in a gunfight. Second, when you can't shower for two, thee, or four weeks. Trapping the stench of said period inside the turret of a tank with you is one of the last possible things I would want to deal with in combat. Baby wipes work well, but they can't perform miracles.

The moral of the story: Pull-ups do not make a soldier, but neither does the male gender. That said, having a woman deal with her period during combat is just silly.

reply to post by chrismarco

how fit do you need to be , to be able to pull a trigger .

reply to post by rockn82


Do you understand how a period works?? A female in high stress environment or doing a lot of physical activity, doesn't have one. The whole women shouldn't be in combat cause of a period thing is embarrassing when guys say it.

reply to post by tom.farnhill


You gotta be able to get the guy next to outta the #ake mushrooms if he gets hurt or what not. Or be able to carry gear for extended periods of time, and that 10 pound rifle, give or take couple pounds depending on the firearm, gets heavy after a while, you need to be in shape