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alldaylong
signalfire
Consider that you have a way of life, governmental and economic, that you feel is the best ever. In the US's case, a democratic republic combined with capitalism.
And the 'other guy' has communism as both.
If you wanted to win philosophically as well as on the ground against the other theory; would amassing thousands of nukes and blowing them off the face of the earth, in the process contaminating global air, water and earth really going to be the way to do it? It wasn't called MAD for nothing.
The only real reason (given they were rational) for nukes would be to fight an unknown enemy with unknown abilities, in an all-out war for survival. Otherwise, just diplomacy and maybe some limited skirmishes seems to be the way to go; certainly not such destructive and expensive weapons that in the end, you can't use them, and you bankrupt your people by building them...
The nuclear bomb was developed and manufactured by America, Britain and Canada to accelerate the end of WW II
I know sometimes the truth is less romantic but that is the real reason why the bomb was constructed.
LightAssassin
reply to post by signalfire
Hey signalfire, I've come across channeled material written in the late 80's early 90's that claims precisely this. What's crazy is that these people wrote over 100 'books' of this channeled material....and the stuff is relentless. It claims to know who killed JFK (he was going to crack down on the CIA black budget programs and source of funding...namely the world drug trade which the CIA were controlling through Mexico and South America, the real reasons for the Cold War....and so on and so forth.
They're called The Pheonix Journals
This is the journal in particular: Space Gate....The Veil Removededit on 7-12-2013 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
dlbott
alldaylong
signalfire
Consider that you have a way of life, governmental and economic, that you feel is the best ever. In the US's case, a democratic republic combined with capitalism.
And the 'other guy' has communism as both.
If you wanted to win philosophically as well as on the ground against the other theory; would amassing thousands of nukes and blowing them off the face of the earth, in the process contaminating global air, water and earth really going to be the way to do it? It wasn't called MAD for nothing.
The only real reason (given they were rational) for nukes would be to fight an unknown enemy with unknown abilities, in an all-out war for survival. Otherwise, just diplomacy and maybe some limited skirmishes seems to be the way to go; certainly not such destructive and expensive weapons that in the end, you can't use them, and you bankrupt your people by building them...
The nuclear bomb was developed and manufactured by America, Britain and Canada to accelerate the end of WW II
I know sometimes the truth is less romantic but that is the real reason why the bomb was constructed.
Developed is the wrong word, the Nazis actually did that, we just finished it so to speak. You are kidding yourself if you think that is all we wanted it for.
I was one of those veterans of the cold war and in defense after. The cold war was real, way to real. So many times we came close to war that the public never knew about. Part of the cold war, and our further competition today was and is over alien technology. We both want it.
I don't worry about the disinfo guys and negative folks, I know what I have seen and will only say that roswell was nothing... There have been multiple crashes and or downings through the years and still happening today. They happen all over the world, Russia, China, Germany, Brazil, Peru, the artic, etc etc etc. We all have recovery teams and special units and scientists working on reverse engineering.
The cold war was very real however. Armies moved around the board in a very serious game. I do however believe that some of the money and resources could have been diverted to fund building bases etc. Black ops money comes from everywhere. We did not spend four hundred million on a website, or three hundred for hammers and toilet seats, etc. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Lol
Much of the tech and resources comes from ET however. Like the giant drilling machines. There are hundreds of thousands of regular folks that have been in armed forces or defense, CIA etc that have knowledge of the things we are talking about. Many have spoken out, it might just be small pieces of info, some might be stories they write in fear of speaking in the open. It may just be that person saying I saw a ufo.
On the other side you have the disinfo and negative people. No one is that negative and pessimistic but yet they are here in droves always demanding proof. I guess they could never go to heaven lol. You can't see God either lol.
The Bot
signalfire
reply to post by alldaylong
Either you're being obtuse or you need to re-read the OP.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. I'm probably older than you, and I've been paying attention the last 50 years or so, so you can skip the history lesson.
The point of this discussion is, was the Cold War really a ruse (unbeknownst to most of the players) for an unlimited budget, to spend on black projects, to enable the building up of an obscene arsenal of last-ditch attempt weapons among other things, and with the real enemy hidden from view rather than right out in the open off Sarah Palin's future porch?
Now if you don't mind I'm going to ignore you, since this part of the discussion is rather pointless, it would seem.
signalfire
LightAssassin
reply to post by signalfire
Hey signalfire, I've come across channeled material written in the late 80's early 90's that claims precisely this. What's crazy is that these people wrote over 100 'books' of this channeled material....and the stuff is relentless. It claims to know who killed JFK (he was going to crack down on the CIA black budget programs and source of funding...namely the world drug trade which the CIA were controlling through Mexico and South America, the real reasons for the Cold War....and so on and so forth.
They're called The Pheonix Journals
This is the journal in particular: Space Gate....The Veil Removededit on 7-12-2013 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
Holy Moly! Good night everyone, I'm down another rabbit hole now
Thanks for this link, LightAssassin!
signalfire
alldaylong
signalfire
Consider that you have a way of life, governmental and economic, that you feel is the best ever. In the US's case, a democratic republic combined with capitalism.
And the 'other guy' has communism as both.
If you wanted to win philosophically as well as on the ground against the other theory; would amassing thousands of nukes and blowing them off the face of the earth, in the process contaminating global air, water and earth really going to be the way to do it? It wasn't called MAD for nothing.
The only real reason (given they were rational) for nukes would be to fight an unknown enemy with unknown abilities, in an all-out war for survival. Otherwise, just diplomacy and maybe some limited skirmishes seems to be the way to go; certainly not such destructive and expensive weapons that in the end, you can't use them, and you bankrupt your people by building them...
The nuclear bomb was developed and manufactured by America, Britain and Canada to accelerate the end of WW II
I know sometimes the truth is less romantic but that is the real reason why the bomb was constructed.
Obviously that's why the bomb was developed. Why did they see fit to produces 10s of thousands of them on both sides? Ones that they knew they could never use against other humans without killing themselves a few days later?
alldaylong
signalfire
reply to post by alldaylong
Either you're being obtuse or you need to re-read the OP.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. I'm probably older than you, and I've been paying attention the last 50 years or so, so you can skip the history lesson.
The point of this discussion is, was the Cold War really a ruse (unbeknownst to most of the players) for an unlimited budget, to spend on black projects, to enable the building up of an obscene arsenal of last-ditch attempt weapons among other things, and with the real enemy hidden from view rather than right out in the open off Sarah Palin's future porch?
Now if you don't mind I'm going to ignore you, since this part of the discussion is rather pointless, it would seem.
Back in the 1950's the favourite American pass-time was to see "Reds Under The Bed" Americans thought every one was a potential communist.
Jump forward 50 years and Americans favourite pass-time is now to see "Aliens " or "Alien Technology" every were.
Your as wrong about that as you were in the 1950's.
As for my age, if you were born before 1952 then yes your are older than myself.
signalfire
alldaylong
signalfire
reply to post by alldaylong
Either you're being obtuse or you need to re-read the OP.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. I'm probably older than you, and I've been paying attention the last 50 years or so, so you can skip the history lesson.
The point of this discussion is, was the Cold War really a ruse (unbeknownst to most of the players) for an unlimited budget, to spend on black projects, to enable the building up of an obscene arsenal of last-ditch attempt weapons among other things, and with the real enemy hidden from view rather than right out in the open off Sarah Palin's future porch?
Now if you don't mind I'm going to ignore you, since this part of the discussion is rather pointless, it would seem.
Back in the 1950's the favourite American pass-time was to see "Reds Under The Bed" Americans thought every one was a potential communist.
Jump forward 50 years and Americans favourite pass-time is now to see "Aliens " or "Alien Technology" every were.
Your as wrong about that as you were in the 1950's.
As for my age, if you were born before 1952 then yes your are older than myself.
It's 'you're' for 'you are'.
And unless you're posting from the UK, 'favorite'.
And since you're exactly my age, you should know this stuff. From your posts, I thought you were about 15.
Again, you're not getting the OP's point.
I UNDERSTAND that there was an ubiquitous Red Scare thing going on. I also understand that the vast majority of people on either side would have thought in simplistic, reinforced by propaganda terms of 'those damn Commies' or 'those damn Yankees'; and also that at least a large fraction of the money spent on the Cold War buildup was spent, idiotically, on munitions to fight a war that wasn't possible to even start, much less prevail in.
The OP's premise is that UFOs were real (this is unequivocal if you've done any research at all on the subject), that the military was terrified of the implications, and that they needed an excuse to spend a #-load of money on back engineering crashed craft, and that the majority of the 'need' for nukes was in case there was an alien invasion, not Russians landing in Kansas.
Now do you get it?
(Sheesh. Sometime I'm going to write a rant about people who didn't pay attention in fifth grade trying to have more complicated thought processes...)
FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by signalfire
no man... the US were really scared sh.tless.. lol, as for the ruskies, well the reds had really nothing to lose and were sick of the chickensh.t game the us was playin... and kept playin by proxy.
So no... it wasnt about aliens, but the US had much more to lose than the USSR.
And if you do the math, even with M.A.D coming into play, the USSR would come out as a winner... (since it was the one who has lost the less).
alldaylong
dlbott
alldaylong
signalfire
Consider that you have a way of life, governmental and economic, that you feel is the best ever. In the US's case, a democratic republic combined with capitalism.
And the 'other guy' has communism as both.
If you wanted to win philosophically as well as on the ground against the other theory; would amassing thousands of nukes and blowing them off the face of the earth, in the process contaminating global air, water and earth really going to be the way to do it? It wasn't called MAD for nothing.
The only real reason (given they were rational) for nukes would be to fight an unknown enemy with unknown abilities, in an all-out war for survival. Otherwise, just diplomacy and maybe some limited skirmishes seems to be the way to go; certainly not such destructive and expensive weapons that in the end, you can't use them, and you bankrupt your people by building them...
The nuclear bomb was developed and manufactured by America, Britain and Canada to accelerate the end of WW II
I know sometimes the truth is less romantic but that is the real reason why the bomb was constructed.
Developed is the wrong word, the Nazis actually did that, we just finished it so to speak. You are kidding yourself if you think that is all we wanted it for.
I was one of those veterans of the cold war and in defense after. The cold war was real, way to real. So many times we came close to war that the public never knew about. Part of the cold war, and our further competition today was and is over alien technology. We both want it.
I don't worry about the disinfo guys and negative folks, I know what I have seen and will only say that roswell was nothing... There have been multiple crashes and or downings through the years and still happening today. They happen all over the world, Russia, China, Germany, Brazil, Peru, the artic, etc etc etc. We all have recovery teams and special units and scientists working on reverse engineering.
The cold war was very real however. Armies moved around the board in a very serious game. I do however believe that some of the money and resources could have been diverted to fund building bases etc. Black ops money comes from everywhere. We did not spend four hundred million on a website, or three hundred for hammers and toilet seats, etc. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Lol
Much of the tech and resources comes from ET however. Like the giant drilling machines. There are hundreds of thousands of regular folks that have been in armed forces or defense, CIA etc that have knowledge of the things we are talking about. Many have spoken out, it might just be small pieces of info, some might be stories they write in fear of speaking in the open. It may just be that person saying I saw a ufo.
On the other side you have the disinfo and negative people. No one is that negative and pessimistic but yet they are here in droves always demanding proof. I guess they could never go to heaven lol. You can't see God either lol.
The Bot
I don't know where you get your information on The Nuclear Bomb, but the Nazi's were way behind. You need to do some proper research.
The country that lead the race to build the bomb was Great Britain.
en.wikipedia.org...
Now go away and brush up on your history.