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The man is finished.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by Indigo5
You do know there is a difference between Congress legislating a bill and Obama coming out and just telling insurance companies they have his OK to break the law (that he pushed through)? Right?
As for the rest of your rant, I give you this, which I posted in another thread:
Obama and democrats: "Well here is your fix for the healthcare problem nation"
Detractors: "But it's just a steaming pile of dog poo..."
Obama and democrats: "Yes but did you see what you had before? The dog poo wasn't steaming before."
edit on 14-11-2013 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
President Obama said Thursday that what’s good for illegal immigrants is also good for people who are losing their health insurance because of Obamacare, saying he’ll use prosecutorial discretion to let companies continue to offer health plans that violate his law.
It’s the latest example of the White House trying to work around Congress and instead take action on its own, and in this case it comes as Mr. Obama seeks to stop a wholesale abandonment of his health law by Democrats who have watched the rocky rollout.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by Indigo5
You do know there is a difference between Congress legislating a bill and Obama coming out and just telling insurance companies they have his OK to break the law (that he pushed through)? Right?
Krazysh0t
In other words, stop making it sound like Obamacare is somehow better than what we had before. Just because it is something different and has a few new benefits for people who didn't have them before doesn't automatically make it better than what we had before.
Indigo5
It is better than what we had before...
Americans are broadly satisfied with the quality of their own medical care and healthcare costs, but of the two, satisfaction with costs lags. Overall, 80% are satisfied with the quality of medical care available to them, including 39% who are very satisfied. Sixty-one percent are satisfied with the cost of their medical care, including 20% who are very satisfied.
Repairing the boat would be easier if folks worked together rather than spend their time beating each other over the head.
beezzer
Basically, he broke a "window". If someone cuts themself on the glass, he can blame the glass-maker for the product.
Look at the polls. In a CBS News survey taken Oct. 1–2, a majority of Americans—51 to 43 percent—disapproved of the Affordable Care Act.
Only 43 percent, however, said the law went “too far in changing the U.S. health care system.”
Thirty percent said the law was about right, and 20 percent said it didn’t go far enough.
The plurality supported the law or an extension of it.
In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll taken Oct. 7–9, 43 percent of respondents said the law was a bad idea. Only 38 percent called it a good idea.
But 50 percent opposed “totally eliminating federal funding” for it, compared with 39 percent who favored cutting off funds.
Twenty-one percent of Americans in a Gallup poll conducted Oct. 12–13 said they’d like major changes to the law. Ninteen percent said they’d like minor changes.
But only 29 percent said they’d like the law to be repealed entirely—less than the 32 percent who took that position three years ago, and not much more than the 24 percent who said they’d like to keep the law as it is.
When Gallup pressed further, asking respondents whether the changes they had in mind would scale the law back or expand it, 40 percent of those who wanted changes (and who answered the question either way) said they preferred to expand the law.
A CNN/ORC survey taken Oct. 18–20 found that respondents opposed the law, 56 to 41 percent.
But when pressed further, 12 percent—nearly a quarter of those who opposed the law—said it wasn’t liberal enough.
Only 38 percent of the entire sample—less than the number who favored the law—said it was too liberal.
In a CBS News poll taken Oct. 18–21, a majority disapproved of the law, 51 to 43 percent.
But when pressed as to why, the numbers turned upside-down. The percentage who said the law went too far dropped to 43.
Twenty-nine percent said the law was about right, and 22 percent—nearly all of them Democrats and independents—said it didn’t go far enough.
Now comes a second NBC/Journal poll, conducted Oct. 25–28.
The numbers look grim: Forty-seven percent say Obamacare is a bad idea, up from 43 percent in early October.
When they’re asked whether the law “is working well the way it is,” “needs minor modifications to improve it,” “needs a major overhaul,” or “should be totally eliminated,” only 6 percent say it’s working well as is.
But among the remaining options, 38 percent of respondents say the law needs minor modifications, 28 percent say it needs a major overhaul, and only 24 percent say it should be completely eliminated.
The poll doesn’t ask those who favor a major overhaul whether the law should go further or be scaled back, so we don’t know whether, as in the other surveys, what looks like a majority for repeal or major rollback is really a minority. But the poll does ask whether Obamacare’s website problems “are short-term technical issues that happen in large projects like this and can be corrected” or “point to longer-term issues with the new health care law and its overall design that cannot be corrected.” On that question, 31 percent say the law’s faults can’t be corrected. Thirty-seven percent say they can, and 30 percent say it’s too soon to tell. There’s a majority for fixing or revising the program, but not for purging it.
macman
reply to post by BenReclused
Trying to repair a rotting boat, with sponges, while at sea, is the correct analogy. With people trying to fix it that were schooled in unicorn counseling and star gazing.
Indigo5
Healthcare was broken. That is just simple fact.
But the GOP can either get on board with fixing ...
Americans want the law fixed, not repealed.
It is better than what we had before...
WFTV in Florida reports that a woman with cancer has been dropped from her insurance plan due to Obamacare:
FlyersFan
Indigo5
Healthcare was broken. That is just simple fact.
Um ... no. I gave the information showing that 80% of Americans were just fine with it.
FlyersFan
Obama blew the entire system up for 20% ... instead of just fixing the 20%.
FlyersFan
This isn't the republicans fault. It's OBAMA's fault. It's his administrations fault.
He caused this entire thing to happen.
FlyersFanIt could have been much easier and much less messy
but he just had to destroy the entire system. His own ego drove this train right off the cliff.
FlyersFan
Indigo5 Wrote: Americans want the law fixed, not repealed.
FF: I don't think so.
Wrabbit2000
Lemmie guess... exactly 1 year? Just after voting day to the Mid Term Elections. Whoda guessed this was coming?