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Saturated fat, heart disease, cholesterol, all part of a medical conspiracy?

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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:05 AM
After an Australian documentary, the corporate media has decided to jump on the bandwagon, but why?

Time to end the war against saturated fat?

Is a high-fat diet GOOD for the heart?

Saturated fat heart disease 'myth'.

Adopting a Mediterranean diet after a heart attack is almost three times as powerful in reducing death rates as taking a statin, which have been linked to unacceptable side effects in real-world use, he added.

The whole cholesterol, heart disease mantra is BIG business. Approximately 35 million Americans are on statin or cholesterol lowering drugs. Total sales last year of cholesterol-treating medicines - including statins - were $35billion, according to IMS.

For those who dont know, these drugs are deadly.

So why is the media blowing the whistle now? Pending law suits? Too much of a health care burden especially in the new world of health care rationing with Obamacare?

I doubt that the corporate controlled media has suddenly grown a conscience.

edit on 4-11-2013 by gladtobehere because: wording

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by gladtobehere

This does not surprise me.

I am 34 and was told I have high cholesterol and high triglycerides. I have never had a history of this and I am not over weight. I don't eat fried foods, processed foods or anything with HFCS or any of the crap in it. I love my bread and pasta but i make them from scratch. I make them gluten free. I have made veggie pasta in the past and will look at that as an alternative now. I don't eat white bread only wheat or rye.

My doctors first response was to put me on crestor and I said no way. I had to basically push my way in to see her to discuss this. Once I was in there I had to ask to see a dietician instead of take a pill. I don't like pills and this is something that can obviously be controlled naturally WITHOUT a pill. I have major joint point, which she knew about but completely either ignored or didn't pay attention to because during this appt she said "oh you wouldn't be a candidate for crestor with your joint pain" um that is what I SAID and I'm not even a doctor! I wanted her to talk to me about this esp because I have never had a problem with this and my diet has actually gotten better over the years! So where did it come from? She did say it can be genetic but my mom and brother don't have it and they are overweight. My sister, twin has it, so maybe it comes from my dads side? I don't know. I was just more upset that her first response was to give me a pill and not even discuss it with me.

So I call the dietician and my insurance. Well my insurance won't cover the $61 visit because I'm NOT obese yet they will cover the Crestor which I am sure costs far more than the dietician. That right there tells me all I need to know or already knew about the pharmaceutical/insurance industry. They are in each others pockets.

How in the world will they cover a pill yet heaven for bid I want to do something the right way and they won't cover it because I'm not obese? I was so mad. I mean what do we pay insurance for anyway?!

So I will just do my own research online and look at various health studies for cholesterol. I like the idea of a mediterranean diet.

On a side note...

This is the first time I've had insurance in almost 7yrs. I am shocked at how doctors just seem to want to hand out pills. The ones i've seen don't really listen to me. They are too busy handing me scripts to even pay attention. I remember the last doctor I saw didn't want to write scripts, they wanted to work things out without pills! Now it seems the first thing they do is shove a pill down your throat.

I literally have to tell docs I'm allergic to hydrocodone because they are always wanting to give me that for pain and I HATE that pill. It makes me sick. I had a nurse tell me to just put it as an allergy so I don't get docs given me a hard time when I refuse it and YES I've had problems REFUSING the darn pill!!!

It's a pill happy system here. There is a pill for everything and someone is making BIG bucks off of them.
edit on 11/4/2013 by mblahnikluver because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:38 AM
We need to consume some saturated fats in our diet. The whole misinformation about these fats was started by the people who profited by selling hydrogenated oils. If eaten in moderation they don't hurt. We need the shell of the fat though, it contains a protein we cannot make because our bodies have resistance to the specific microbes that make it. This means the elastin binding protein needs to be consumed or we wind up having a deficiency resulting in possible COPD, weak intestines, and parts of our circulatory system not being elastic enough...I shouldn't forget that they also make us have strong flexible muscles, not so much enlarged, just tough.

We are continually bombarded by misinformation started by corporations selling their products. As soon as a discovery is made of health benefits of something, the organizations created by the ones that profit by increased sales promote the hell out of it to increase our consumption. Life in America sucks sometimes. Moderation and knowledge of your personal metabolism and ancestral eating habits should always be taken into consideration. Sometimes adding new foods is good other times it is bad. Pay attention to how you feel when you change your food choices, sometimes it takes weeks to notice these changes.

We use shortening made from animal fats. Screw health, the brand we get tastes good in pie crusts. Funny thing is that when you do this for a while, vegetable shortening tastes a little like plastic in crusts. We never even noticed it before, it was after being away from it for a while that we start noticing it. I don't think that plastic taste is good for us. We now use corn oil in our deep fryer. The other blends stink up the house too much.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:50 AM
reply to post by mblahnikluver

Star for you, plus a standing ovation! I've always been told that the doctor's most important instrument to him is his prescription pad. I don't go to the doctor's but when I last did, he gave me a scrip for addictive sleeping pills and valium, which I ripped up. I had gone to him because I was having difficulty with one of my children, sigh.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:54 AM
reply to post by gladtobehere

Ya rolls ya dice ya takes ya chances.

I've happily been off "meat" for 25 years, no complaints.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 09:56 AM
i have a heart/kidney problem resulting in a prescription from an internal med specialist for the usual statins, nitro, etc

i chose Strauss' blood pressure and kidney drops / exercise and slight diet modifications instead

problem seems vastly reduced
edit on 4-11-2013 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 10:16 AM
If people would stop eating junk and fast foods (McDonalds) you would not be having to take cholesterol lowering drugs. Also exercise and proper diet are important for good health.

edit on 4-11-2013 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:18 AM

If people would stop eating junk and fast foods (McDonalds) you would not be having to take cholesterol lowering drugs. Also exercise and proper diet are important for good health.

edit on 4-11-2013 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)

That is a crock of POO!

Sorry but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't eat junk food nor do I eat fast food. I eat a nice processed food free diet and make my own breads AND pastas. I make everything I can from scratch because I don't like the crappy processed foods out there. I also am active. I walk about 3 times a day with my dog while pushing or carrying my 5mth old, which is extremely difficult with constant migraines and joint pain which I have been told is due to having fibromyalgia, which is a recent diagnosis. So not fun.

Are you a doctor? No probably not. You do know that cholesterol issues can be completely genetic? That just kills your "everyone is lazy" line doesn't it.

Just because someone has some sort of medical ailment it doesn't automatically make them lazy. I have family members who are obese and have NO cholesterol problems and they eat far worse foods than I do. I also have a twin sister who has the SAME problems so I am assuming we get it from my dads side, of which we do not know much of.

Think before you group an entire bunch of people into the lazy category.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:25 AM
reply to post by gladtobehere

Statins are deadly - but the diseases are deadly too. Unfortunately, Big Pharma is far more interested in selling treatments for symptoms over a lifetime than in curing anything. That said, there's more to the story and the underlying disease isn't well-understood.

What IS clear is that most cholesterol is produced in the body by the liver - malfunctions and dysfunctional over-production of cholesterol results from improper protein folding, likely in the endoplasmic reticulum (ER). Proteins respond to environmental shifts and perturbations in the cell, and external contaminations like radiation that can affect cells - misfolding affects protein function. When the environmental perturbation persists, the misfolding continues and causes disease; sometimes the misfolded proteins become infectious and spread without continued environmental assault. Nobody talks much about this because it raises the spectre of prions (misfolded proteins) and Mad Cow disease.

That said - lifestyle modifications can help, a lot, if a lot of corrections are required. Sometimes though, people live clean, healthy lives - lots of exercise, healthy diet, stress-free - and still get diseases like high cholesterol. The upside is they stay healthier and more mobile longer than those with unhealthy lifestyles - but they still get sick.

Some background:

Endoplasmic Reticulum and the Unfolded Protein Response: Dynamics and Metabolic Integration

The ER is a fascinating organelle that plays a central role within the cell. This extremely complex and heterogeneous cellular compartment spreads throughout the cytoplasm forming various subdomains with diverse morphology and function. As such, the ER is a highly dynamic structure that modulates organization according to cellular needs and participates in protein synthesis, lipid metabolism, calcium handling, metabolic regulation and signaling. All of the latter processes are essential to the cell, making the ER susceptible to a variety of perturbations. The degree of complexity associated with optimal ER function positions this organelle as the largest stress sensor of the cell and, therefore, a major contributing factor to disease. ...

The properties of the ER determine the physiology of different organs, allowing them to fulfill their normal functions. Sensing of nutrient levels, continuous calcium signaling, protein aggregation and adaptation to ever-changing environments are processes in which the ER plays a vital role. Despite the advances accomplished in the treatment of diabetes, cardiovascular pathologies, neurodegeneration and cancer, many strategies based on ER function are not yet fully understood and remain to be developed.

Activation of Cholesterol Synthesis in Preference to Fatty Acid Synthesis in Liver and Adipose Tissue of Transgenic Mice Overproducing Sterol Regulatory Element-binding Protein-2

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 12:55 PM
This is only part of the "medical conspiracy". The fact that high fructose corn syrup, aspartame, MSG, fluoride, etc. are all still in the food supply is proof of a conspiracy. Vaccines are also part of this. Aspartame was known in the 1950's as "sweet poison" and is created from the excrement of genetically modified e coli bacteria, it is also banned in other countries. A for-profit medical system must have sick people to profit from, to increase profits people need to keep getting sicker. Proper nutrition involves eating nothing but whole organic fruits and vegetables, very little meat if any, and few grains and dairy. With this diet(assuming you stay away from UN-healthy external factors) you will never get sick.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 12:56 PM
All I know is my grandpa lived to be 100 and he didn't have all these complicated things we have now. Ya, he had hip surgery and he had a drug to thin the blood or something, but he was in remarkable health even up to his early 90's. What do I think his trick was? I don't think it was the food, since he ate just about anything. I only really knew him when he was older. He ate oatmeal in the morning and had a garden where he grew peas and tomatoes. He grew up in a logging family and they had a small farm with cattle. He loved to boil ham hock in a soup. He had an apple and cherry tree and a blackberry patch, but when he was older he didn't eat the much - i never saw him. He was borderline alcoholic and diabetic when he was older. He ate a lot of TV dinners and chocolates when he was older too. Overall, the number one thing I think that kept him healthy was exercise. He was a logger and even in his 80's he was cutting down trees. He didn't stop moving until the last couple years.

Bottom line, you can turn away all of the complicated answers and chances are you'll still live to see 70 if you're an adult. Even more than 100 years ago, if you lived to 20 or 30 you'd probably live to 70. The most important thing is to have common sense and stay active. Being sedentary is probably the quickest way to die.

Personally, I think we're compensating for lacking diet and exercise by overdoing the hospital bills with pills and surgery. Until we can replace organs reliably that will last considerably longer and can repair dna damage at the cellular level and do maintenance with nanomachines, we're pretty much locked in to about 80-110 years. I also think our technology is putting tremendous stress on our body. I think this should qualify as an evolutionary pressure. Perhaps if it goes on long enough only certain bodies will pass the test. Mainly, bodies that can sit a lot or stand still. We're not moving as much as our forefathers. I don't think it will change much in the future because the technology is just going to keep advancing and doing more things.
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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 01:05 PM
reply to post by gladtobehere

A couple of excellent resources on this subject:

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 01:27 PM
Well the amount of old people living into their 90's has increased, when I looked after them old dears they were all on statins and other they do work.

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 01:48 PM
Oooooo, one of my favorite topics. I love the fat conspiracy. "We are meant to eat a high fat diet". I've tried resisting this for so long but my own health problems have forced me to go that direction and you know what I've found? Fat is necessary for your metabolism, and your hormones, among other things. Animal fat isn't bad for you, it's natural. However, animals that have been raised on gmo diets, and fed growth hormones and antibiotics are toxic animals, and they store their toxins in...... their FAT. So it's a misconception. It's not the animal fat that's bad, it's the toxins in standard animal fat that is bad. But if you eat organic grass fed meats, you SHOULD eat the fats, it actually lowers your bad cholesterol and raises your good. (Actually it's more of a size thing.) Another great natural fat if your vegan, coconut oil! I make fat bombs with loads of that stuff. Organic butter, and for the lactose intolerant, ghee. These are also great for you. And the egg, is nature's miracle food. These things are what we should be eating, lots of them along with healthy organic seasonal veggies. Unfortunately we have too many people, and even if everyone was willing to pay the huge prices to eat this way, there wouldn't be enough food to go around, hence the creation of wheat, corn, and soy based processed foods. They can make tons of food to feed the masses out of this stuff, and for cheep. But it's mainly gmo, all processed, human dog-food. Like cereals and other things. So they cause tons of health problems.

Long story short, if you are serious about your health, eat more healthy fats from ORGANIC GRASS FED BEEF, ORGANIC FREE RANGE PASTURED CHICKENS AND EGGS, AND COCONUT OIL, along with healthy organic seasonal veggies, and small servings of fruits occasionally, as a snack. Stay away from process foods made from WHEAT, SOY and CORN. (And when it comes to bread, there isn't much difference between white or wheat, it's all gmo and contains 50% more gluten than it did just a few short years ago. That tiny amount of extra fiber doesn't really make that big of a difference.) That pretty much eliminates most of the food in the inner isles. And stay away from sugar, artificial sweeteners, and vegetable oils. Also, stay away from blended spices, even if they say non msg, our government allows that label to be used on anything less than 75% msg. Shocking!!!!! So if it's 74% msg, they can tell you it's no msg. Buy single spices and blend yourself. They are the ones that are truely msg free.
edit on 4-11-2013 by Under Water because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 06:03 PM
reply to post by tigershark1988

...Proper nutrition involves eating nothing but whole organic fruits and vegetables, very little meat if any, and few grains and dairy. With this diet(assuming you stay away from UN-healthy external factors) you will never get sick.

You're wrong. We are all exposed to chemical and mutated biological contaminations in our air, water, soil and food - some more than others, but it's now inescapable. How can you assume you can "stay away from UN-healthy external factors"?

posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:46 PM
I support this. I have the proofs.
I lost 65lbs eating saturated fats. I diet consisting mainly of green veges, meats of all sorts, cheese, almonds, plus some very creative stabs at bread (holy grail bread, effin amazing). My brother lost over 80lbs doing the same thing. The lack of fat in a diet can contribute to a lot of problems, your body requires it to function.

Grains are just empty carbs, it breaks down to sugar in your bloodstream. It is one of the leading causes of diabetes and obesity on the planet. Stop eating grain,starches, sugar and i assure you, weight loss will be had. Its about controlling your insulin levels. Its not for everyone of course, as everyone is different. But it worked quite well for me, low fat-low calorie diets never worked for me. This one was amazing. I've never had so much energy in my life, among other perks. No heartburn was a great perk, eating less, more energy, better sleep.

Ketogenic diet, check it out.

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