This is a Biggie if true!! CIA did in DEA agent not drug cartel!

Well, my past experience has included first-hand knowledge of black market activities. The CIA , NSA and other alphabet agencies are most certainly involved with the big Mexican cartels (and previous others)... in that they work WITH them and the Mexicans operate with their blessings AND have to give a cut.

Heck, some of the tunnels cut under the border look like they were made by govt. contractors, though I don't know about that. People in power certainly know and sanction them, though.

The larger cartel players have said this to my face and I've seen spooky looking Americans unloading drugs from private planes and loading weapons and visiting people like "El Chapo" Guzman, head of the Sinaloans, who is the most wanted guy in the world and doesn't have a good (correct) photo posted, yet somehow gets a visit from a rumpled U.S. official (alleged official, to be clear).

This is THE major source for black funding. It's been going on since at least Viet Nam and heroin (Air America). So that's rather cowboy and "bad" to start with. Murder must be part of the package, unfortunately. It's not a well kept secret, obviously, but if pressed to testify about this in court, I'm guessing everyone knows to talk is to die.

It is depressing and I'm guessing the tip of the depressing, corrupt iceberg. And these spooky citizens have access to everyone's personal details and the best surveillance state drug money can buy. What can go wrong in the near future?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Its telling that people like you play *the off-topic card* when pressed into a corner, thus proving you have no other recourse, than to narrow the focus of the topic in an effort to obfuscate the big picture.

Contrary to other people, I dont think you are naive since you've been here for a while. It seems like high level shilling to me. I get "the same curve ball" from a few other members on here especially when they try to make a case for free market capitalism and call everything else socialism.

You have way too much faith in the american government, thinking its above the corruption that plagues latin america, while never stopping for one moment to consider...if drugs are coming in "fast and furious" style then somehow, someone or a group of unsuspected individuals, truely above the law in every possible regard, must not only be aiding these drug cartels with anything they could possibly want, but acutally being silent partners with them.

Narcotics, prostitution, pedophilia, weapons, etc dont get talked about. The war on all of these simply means to restrict the supply and create a perpetual monopoly for the ptb. The bilderbergers are the ptb imho. If you have billions and trillions who will dare rat on you? YOU OWN EVERYTHING, including the drug cartels themselves.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


For some reason after looking over the post I did not get anything about Wrabbit's post that would deserve such a rebuttal by you unless it is a misunderstanding.

This thread has many facets and trying to tie all the ends together is almost impossible for us humble folks. Thread drift by some is ferreting out by others, I think we can agree. IMO this should be on every news service, everyday, until the wall of secrecy and what actually went down in this case has full disclosure. Yea, I know I am a dreamer.

727Sky
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For some reason after looking over the post I did not get anything about Wrabbit's post that would deserve such a rebuttal by you unless it is a misunderstanding.

Are you his lawyer?

This thread has many facets and trying to tie all the ends together is almost impossible for us humble folks. Thread drift by some is ferreting out by others, I think we can agree. IMO this should be on every news service, everyday, until the wall of secrecy and what actually went down in this case has full disclosure. Yea, I know I am a dreamer.

What are these many facets and why is it difficult to tie it all together?

EarthCitizen07

What are these many facets and why is it difficult to tie it all together?

Think forest and trees. The many facets are these "cartels" and co-ops and the many players being spotlighted. So many shiny sparkles no one wants to look at the flawed diamond. Hot dogs and apple pie, America never does any wrong. We all know that, don't we?

We will never fix a thing until we admit there is a problem. We will just continue to "fix" everyone else's problems.

nevermind mccain got enough bad exposure and I wont hijack the thread with somewhat irrellevant examples of corruption.

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I am wondering what he has to do with this thread exactly? I am really confused now... I thought this thread was about the CIA killing some agents or something...???

What did I miss exactly for him to be a part of this thread?

And yes, I know exactly who that is...

EarthCitizen07
nevermind mccain got enough bad exposure and I wont hijack the thread with somewhat irrellevant examples of corruption.

edit on 31/10/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

Oh there is tons of corruption. This thread is one example that the CIA is now a hit squad when they so choose... actually there are a lot of hit squads in our government these days.

McCain being buddy buddy with the terrorists and Obama giving them money like its candy is just another example of corruption in all its forms.

But, the hit squads do worry me especially when they are killing their own agents! Cannot disagree with Massa I suppose...

when will we be next on the death squads I wonder?

reply to post by OpinionatedB


War on drugs, war on terror, war on poverty are all bogus. Its a way to kill the competition, I guess both in a literal and in a metaphorical way, thus ensuring artificial monopolies stay with ptb perpetually.

War on drugs severly limits the supply of narcotics, and with the demand somewhat rising continously, causes prices to be astronomical.

War on terror means weapons only go to the groups ptb want running a nation. The opposition is left in the cold.

War on poverty siphons money from charities into the pockets of the rich ,while proclaiming to do the opposite.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

What are these many facets and why is it difficult to tie it all together?

Why difficult, hummm I would suppose for me and no doubt several others we once believed in our country and it's leaders official policies...call it red, white, and blue, all American pie rah rah etc. Maybe not always right but a force for good in a world of evil; we fed the hungry, protected them from neighboring aggressors and were willing to die for good and right... The old white hat syndrome which was unfortunately based on lies at times..

Not much has changed except many people's attitudes in that regard, No?.

Many of us went to war because we believed we were saving the world from communist and heathens only to find out not all was as posted; call it devil in the details.

I think I began to question the old adage, "there are those much smarter than you and I figuring this stuff out," sometime during the Carter administration and my opinion has become more jaded as the years have passed with only brief moments of "wow that was good".

Berlin wall coming down was a joyous occasion for many; cold war was declared over peace on earth and all that mushroom stuff.

Reagan was such a breath of freshness after Carter that if he would have been the Devil people would have still forgiven him... Iran Contra hardly touched him just as Obama is never touched by the scandals that surround him. "I was not informed or I heard it on the news just like you" has been used ever since Eisenhower left office.. Ike may have been our last President with honor across the board; but there are those who would argue even that.

I can forgive much but not the torture and killing of one of our guys for discovering government wrong doing... Whistle blowing never has been a good occupation except for Woodward of Watergate fame and even he had a few really bad years. Snowden is just the latest who has sacrificed everything because IMO he had honor and could recognize lies and wrong doing when he saw it.. He will no doubt spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulders wondering and waiting for his body bag... If that did not answer your question then sorry that's all I have.

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In other words you had way too much faith in the government, and now you are floored?

Been there and done that.

You feel bad about the government agent that got killed by another agent. What honest man doesn't?

I wonder though how many such cases never make the news because msm are lapdogs of the government, and government is lapdog of the rich.

I stopped being suprised about a single death when 3,000 people died on 9-11 and the four wars that followed, even almost WW3 this past summer.

It doesnt pay to be too sensitive I guess. Sometimes you always lose when facing "the wrong people".

I can put the puzzle together really fast and relatively painless. Cheers!

reply to post by 727Sky


And what about the thousands of mexicans killed because of fast and furious and that turd eric holder playing the national security card to stay out of trouble? Strange it seems mexicans are second class citizens?

The american government has more answering to do than any other governmnet in the history of mankind, perhaps with the exception of stalinist russia. Who knows when they will answer though, if ever.

Kind of surprised nobody is commenting on Tosh Plumley on Coast to Coast AM right now. He just blamed the White House for killing Kiki, and Fawn Hall for destroying paperwork related to the case.

gariac
Kind of surprised nobody is commenting on Tosh Plumley on Coast to Coast AM right now. He just blamed the White House for killing Kiki, and Fawn Hall for destroying paperwork related to the case.

I was listening to it last night with John Wells but after a long day fell asleep knowing I could listen to the broadcast on youtube today... Off to listen now... Thanks for the post..

What I heard last night before sleep overtook me was the CIA was actually supporting Castro with arms shipments and helped him overthrow Batista while also appearing to support Batista... Supporting both sides; sounds familiar... Then once Castro won the battle his intentions were declared he was a Communist... So, here we go again and the bay of pigs was designed initially to do away with Castro and his newly installed government.. Very interesting ! Kennedy did not allow the air support for the Bay of Pigs so obviously the whole Op failed.

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I suspect Tosh will do another Coast to Coast AM. Having heard the 5 hours he did on The Expert Witness Radio Show, I knew his background, so the first two hours were just a replay for me. But I do suggest people go back and listen to the Expert Witness recordings. He has a great story about flying from some jungle airport as men on the ground were shooting at the plane. Then he lands the plane at some secret US base since the plane is starting to fail, blowing the cover of that base. I think they dumped the plane in a lake, but it has been a few years since I played the audio. He also goes into the transponder codes a bit more in those old recordings. [Basically if you don't have a transponder code, you should be an intercept target for that countries military.]

The CIA got chummy with the South American drug lords since they needed air strips to operate down there. It was a partnership of convenience. The CIA got bases and the drug lords got access to the US market. [begin snark] But hey, we had to save South America from da commies ya know! So a few Americans died from cheap crack...it is the price of democracy! [end snark] BTW, just how did Gary Webb shoot himself twice in the head....

Time to dust off that first Steve Seagal movie "Above the Law."

gariac
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I suspect Tosh will do another Coast to Coast AM. Having heard the 5 hours he did on The Expert Witness Radio Show, I knew his background, so the first two hours were just a replay for me. But I do suggest people go back and listen to the Expert Witness recordings. He has a great story about flying from some jungle airport as men on the ground were shooting at the plane. Then he lands the plane at some secret US base since the plane is starting to fail, blowing the cover of that base. I think they dumped the plane in a lake, but it has been a few years since I played the audio. He also goes into the transponder codes a bit more in those old recordings. [Basically if you don't have a transponder code, you should be an intercept target for that countries military.]

The CIA got chummy with the South American drug lords since they needed air strips to operate down there. It was a partnership of convenience. The CIA got bases and the drug lords got access to the US market. [begin snark] But hey, we had to save South America from da commies ya know! So a few Americans died from cheap crack...it is the price of democracy! [end snark] BTW, just how did Gary Webb shoot himself twice in the head....

Time to dust off that first Steve Seagal movie "Above the Law."

Notice how when he started talking they sent the IRS after him... Where have we heard that before ?

Hard to get records from a black Op group especially when the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in some of these Ops?

Supposedly next week the New Mexican government is going to release more info and by what I heard on the broadcast they are pissed... Wouldn't it be something if the Mexicans blow the lid off this.... by all appearances it ain't gonna happen in this country...?

reply to post by 727Sky


The FBI made a fake arrest report for him. The funny thing was he actually in jail at the same time for something he had done for the CIA that went wrong. So being in jail for one thing proved the FBI report to be a fake.

Kind or like that contractor that went to jail for leaking documents and having kiddie porn. So the FBI claims they found the documents when they searched for the porn. Rachel Maddow said something like "Am I supposed to believe this?"

But back to Tosh and the IRS, the cut out companies are supposed to provide cover for paying employees or contractors. So he should have been able to declare his income from Intermountain Aviation.

Unfortunately not a public document, but the Richmoor lawsuit is a prime example for a cutout behaving like a legit company, right down to the point of being taken to court. Maybe it has leaked. I haven't looked since I have a legal copy. Damn funny because it is full of CIA phone numbers and contacts.

www.courthousenews.com...

The next day, news of the Iran Contra scandal broke, and the DEA snitch got lost in the shuffle. I don't know what happened to him.
Also lost in the shuffle, by a spineless U.S. press, was that Uncle Sam's criminal intermediaries were allowed to fly planeloads of coc aine and marijuana to the United States after the CIA contract planes had been emptied of missiles for the ayatollah.

Spineless Press is an understatement and it has only gotten worse.

A short video of whistle blowers speaking and dying when the CIA connection and the War on Drugs is spoken about.

www.veteranstoday.com...

In 1991, Col. Jim Sabow is murdered at El Toro. The official manner of death is suicide, but the evidence supports murder. Even after 22 years the government cover-up continues. There’s a doctored autopsy photo submitted by DoD to Congress in 2004 and the NCIS cold case investigation in 2010 that ignored the sworn affidavit of Dr. Werner Spitz, which stated the manner of death as homicide and crime scene tampering. Dr. Sitz orally withdrawals his sworn affidavit. There’s no objection from the NCIS who confirms suicide as the manner of death.

Government witnesses in January 1991 saw three men flash government IDs and order the NIS crime team and Marine MPs off the crime scene. One witness reports an NIS agent putting the patio chair on the body to support the official government suicide scenario.

Was Col. Sabow killed to prevent him from blowing the whistle on the use of El Toro to transport coc aine into the US in an illegal covert operation conducted by the NSC and approved by President Bush?

The Contra War had ended in June 1990; yet, the drug flights continued into El Toro until the Marine Corps Inspector General’s surprise visit in January 1991.

narcosphere.narconews.com... aine-queen-offers-teaching-moment

Baruch Vega, a long-time CIA asset who, in the 1990s and early 2000s, helped to broker cooperating-source deals on behalf of US law enforcement agencies and the CIA with dozens of major Colombian narco-traffickers, describes Blanco as, at best, a mid-level player in the coc aine business during her prime.

One of those cases, dubbed Operation Hun, targeted major Bolivian and Colombian narco-traffickers, including Mejia. But Levine, author of a detailed and revelatory nonfiction drug-war book, The Big White Lie, insists that, due to CIA intervention and complicity in the drug trade, most of the targets of Operation Hun walked free, with a few exceptions, such as Mejia — who was ultimately convicted of narco-trafficking-related crimes, sentenced to a couple decades in a US prison and, upon his release in the early 2000s, deported to Colombia.

He asserted the real activity of the companies was to transfer more than $30 million — much of it from drug lords — into various political and paramilitary operations in South and Central America. He claimed the operation was approved by the CIA, which maintained close ties to the Argentine generals.

But there was a big problem with the plan, Levine says. The CIA had no intention of turning over their still-useful narco-trafficker assets in Latin America at a time when they were helping to sponsor dirty wars across that region that were deemed to be in the US interest in its battle against Communism — the War on Terror of its day.