Russel Brand: The time for Revolution is now.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

Where did Russell Brand suddenly appear from? Who is this guy and why should anyone listen to him regardless of wit or intelligence? What's he done to make him worth listening to is what I'm asking?

He has done nothing to make him worth listening too. He's just another celebrity that thinks he knows politics.

The thread title says "The time for revolution is now" I disagree.
I disagree because a revolution, IMHO is usually just a big fat band aid plaster to mask an undercurrent, one which usually rears its ugly head further down the line.
Example: American revolution. Lots of fighting, shouting gnashing of teeth and clashing of swords and smell of gunpowder. Yes, sure it "fixed" things for a while, but look where it has lead people to today. Back to a similar predicament the revolution was put in place to avoid in terms of economic inequality and extortion.
Band aids and plasters are only temporary, it only treats the symptom, not the cause.
Revolution is too swift and can be very bewildering to people because they are not ready for it, which can be more dangerous than being "asleep"
What we need is evolution. Evolution is slower, but it treats the cause, thus giving a better chance of not making the same mistakes again. Right now, I believe we are on a path of evolution, people are waking up slowly, certain individuals are placing themselves at the front risking being shot at, but it is enabling a process of slow evolution amongst the largely unaware populus; worldwide.
Sure, evolution has its downfalls, it gets knocked back, stifled, and sometimes downright repressed, but has the ability to reemerge and pick up where it left off.

A definition of revolution:
Revolutionary or Transformational Change
By contrast, revolutionary or transformational change is profound. When we think revolutionary change, we envision complete overhaul, renovation and reconstruction. Change is fundamental, dramatic and often irreversible. From an organizational perspective, revolutionary change reshapes and realigns strategic goals and often leads to radical breakthroughs in beliefs or behaviors. When an organization decides to engage in revolutionary change, radical transformations to products or services often follow.
A definition of evolution:
Evolutionary or Incremental Change
Evolutionary change is incremental and takes place gradually, over time. Slow, gradual change often takes place to ensure the survival of the organization. It’s incremental in that it happens step by step, little by little. Organizations undergoing evolutionary change may have been prompted by outside pressure, as in keeping up with technology or addressing the needs of stakeholders more effectively. In other cases, evolutionary change may be spurred by competition.

I think one of the main issues is that as individuals, and sometimes as a collective, we feel this "shift in consciousness" or whatever you want to call it should happen in our lifetimes, that we may be special in some way because we watched a few YT videos or even read that "big papery thing tied up with string"
Truth is, we are no more special that the generation that witnessed the likes of Gandhi, or MLK, or any other individual. Sure, we could argue that times are more corrupt, financially unworkable etc but it will probably go on.
I have learned probably one thing about all of this and that is that we have a responsibility to change ourselves, not other people. Others may like what they see and do likewise. "Be the change you want to see in the world" an old man in flip flops once said.
Things that grow and develop slowly are usually stronger, and produce longeivity. (trees for example) Things that develop quickly are usually short lived. (X factor contestants!)
That's enough rant from me, I hope you get what I am trying to say.

buster2010
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Where did Russell Brand suddenly appear from? Who is this guy and why should anyone listen to him regardless of wit or intelligence? What's he done to make him worth listening to is what I'm asking?

He has done nothing to make him worth listening too. He's just another celebrity that thinks he knows politics.

he's a comedian, it's what they do talk about politics.

Well he certainly has his finger on the public pulse.
I have to agree with many of his comments although he's probably bloody rich by the same system he's pissing on about.
What Revolution Mr. Brand? He's not doing anything everyone here isn't doing already.
Except getting face time on MSM.
Sorry, I just don't trust celebrities.
Not since Bill Hicks died anyway.
I hope he finds that hierocracy and shakes them up good.

Benrl, many thanks for posting this video!! I've seen Russel around here and there in the "entertainment" world and he is funny, some of his character's offensive, but in all he has what it takes to get the sleeping masses attention! His message is true and powerful, he is being heard by millions that would otherwise never even contemplate the many things he discusses and we discuss here.

Asktheanimals, I agree we should be leery for the simple fact that he is mainstream as it were and is openly invited onto such forums as Morning Joe and Jimmy Kimmel and BBCtoo, etc. However here's the caveat; I believe he is invited on to promote his entertainment work, comedy shows, movies, books, what have you and then BAM they're hit with the REAL Brand and very little self promotion actually happens. Watch the MSNBC clip again and see how he artfully gets his true agenda (in the most positive sense of the word) across and actually spends very little time talking about his standup tour even though the anchors keep trying to redirect him to the reason he was invited in the first place.

I truly believe he is coming from a good place and using his celebrity for positive purposes. It takes a lot to come back from drug addiction and the lifestyle his fame and fortune afforded him, most people in his position never recover and die due to their addictions. Not only did he come back from that, but he is now in a position to affect real change and make an impact on the collective consciousness of humanity!

Now if he runs for President of the World, we have a problem lol!!

Whoops was connected to the wrong wifi at work that has youtube blocked

Soloprotocol
Could Russell be the Messiah..

He does look like Jesus, at least in all the paintings I've seen. Possibly......possibly.

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I don't know what it is about Russel, but I absolutely LOVE him.

I am just fascinated by the guy, especially since his Westboro Baptist Church interview.

I love this, and it's not often you see Paxman on the back foot! I have been admiring Brand's balls and effectiveness (for want of better words - sure he could put it so much better ) in expressing his opinions (which I happen to share) for some time now. I disagree with PPs who have said he has another agenda or that he is doing it to promote himself, all I see is pure passion for what he speaks about. I think you can tell when a person really believes in what they are saying.

Stormdancer777
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I don't know what it is about Russel, but I absolutely LOVE him.

I am just fascinated by the guy, especially since his Westboro Baptist Church interview.

Hehehehe!! I know what it is Stormdancer... did you watch the Morning Joe clip? Did you see how he had Mika so flustered and beside herself?! Russel exudes a very visceral sensuality (I won't say sexuality, cuz well, I just won't *blush*), he is passionate on many levels and that plays a great deal into his charisma and appeal, me thinks!

reply to post by buster2010


The problem is people like you that are clinging to the old ways of Politics. Those ways have failed us forever. The whole game needs to be changed. I for one am glad to see people acknowledging the failures of old and are at least making people aware of the level of hate and control of the current political system.

The guy has come quite far from when started out, like getting his butt out on camera, hitting rock bottom, going rehab, getting it on with Katy Perry. He's always been one to stick it to the man and I respect that. I'm going to one of shows in next month in my home town, "The Messiah Complex," should be good.

So I live under a rock and dont really know much about celebrities and such. Dont watch TV, dont watch most movies released. Dont know more than 20 celebrities names, if that many. Just dont.

I have spent the last hour or two watching stuff from this fellow, brand.

I have to say, he isnt about politics. Is isnt some celebrity calling for political this or that.

He is just honest. He is more just about life.

To use his own words when speaking about any issue and apply them to him... his persona has been appropriated and used to rebrand him as something else.

He probably does want a revolution, or more to the point, change. The same way we all do. I dont even think that those who perpetuate this system of crap we call a world are not even tired of it themselves. It must be maddening.

He is insane, in an honest way. There is no pretending with him about keeping any semblance of sanity. What I mean is, the agreed image we all portray, even to ourselves, that we are in fact sane and others insane does not exist with him. How liberating...and dangerous. Like a real risk of loss and gain.

No inhibitions, no pretense, no preconceptions.

That is dangerous, but I feel he does it gracefully. He makes the gain.

He is more of a pan, or trickster. A "loki" when placed in a room of "gods"...celebrities.

He doesnt think like them though. He isnt about that. I honestly believe that.

He is very human, reprehensively, admiringly, simply, human.

If you watch his mannerisms and his responses to any situation...he is just being a mirror. That is valid.

In the videos offered in this thread for example. When faced with a conflict he will become conflictive and go as far as the instigator is willing to go. He doesnt shy away from a thing his own mind offers and less so from nonsense other people put before him.

I dont think he is a revolutionary, or even someone that fancies himself as one. That is just something that other people have taken notice of and then proceeded to bring before him to further elaborate on that subject of interest to them. He is no more a revolutionary than anyone here who wants change. He may know what brand of revolution he would support, but that is no more being a revolutionary than knowing what type of jet airplane you would fly if you could makes you a pilot.

Like one analogy he made in one of the videos I watched with him. He talked about a coke commercial with a sexy lady. You see the sexy lady holding a coke and since you know you want the sexy lady, you then think you also want the coke.

Similarly we know we want change and though the person we see is just some random person we know we have issues with, we then think we also have issues with the change we want. That is why that aspect of him is amplified, because he makes so much sense and as such can be used as a tool to invalidate such desires in us.

I have to honor this man. He does not lie in the important sense of the word. He is human, and true.

He may be over sexed, a little narcissistic, self gratifying..ect. or what ever other chip in him we see..BUT we only notice those things about him because we are those things ourselves and we are upset that someone broke the code by not hiding it behind the persona we all chose for ourselves so as to perpetuate some form of mental opiate to make reality more tolerable, since admitting that there is no sanity or insanity would throw our little minds into chaos and strip our minds eye of the horizon of perfect order lying just out of our reach.

No, I feel his attitude and disservice in that sense is actually of great service to us. I like his style. I like his honesty.

I also feel he likes himself. Its hard to actually like who you are. When you do, you know you are doing something right. When you dont, you admit to yourself that something is wrong, if only to yourself.

I am happy I got to know of him. Glad to see other mortals out there not pretending they have eternity to finally be themselves. Ugly, petty, vain, noble, dignant, beautiful....us.

Good for him. I dont usually like celebrities. In fact I like none....but him, I like as another human.

Hold it down guy, where ever you are.

reply to post by IrishCream

Russel exudes a very visceral sensuality

No doubt about that.

reply to post by tadaman


I really enjoyed your post,



What struck me was his comment about spirituality and politics.

The world needs more spirituality, and I agree, not more religion but more spirituality, the farther we get from the source it seems the farther down hill society is heading.

reply to post by IrishCream


"Branding" is an advertising term meaning to create an associative image with a certain product.
Russell Brand - does no one see the irony here?
Any true rebel wouldn't be welcomed back time and again by the MSM.
His disabuse of the system is part and parcel of his act.
This is a ready-made rock star for your consumption.
Whateva.
All he does is complain about what's wrong and all I heard for suggestions on how to fix it was something about socialism. He can start by sharing his wealth first.
When the UN adopts him as a spokesperson you'll know he's as authentic as Obama.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I understand the point you are making as well, we are all human, he is human,

But little Mouse, you are not alone,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes of mice and men
Go often awry,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!

Still you are blessed, compared with me!
The present only touches you:
But oh! I backward cast my eye,
On prospects dreary!
And forward, though I cannot see,
I guess and fear!

reply to post by benrl


I find Russel Brand a difficult subject. He and a radio show presenter named Jonathon Ross made a prank call to a much loved comic actor from the old television series Fawlty Towers, whose name is Graham Sachs. In that prank call, they verbally abused both Mr Sachs, and his grand daughter. This prank call was made over live radio. This lead to Mr Ross being fired from his position, and Mr Brand being off British screens for a time. It was a low period in the career of both men.

Couple this with the thoroughly vacuous shell that Mr Brand has always worn on television and big screen appearances, and I have to admit, I was working up a pretty massive loathing for the fellow. I hated his lack of decorum, the fact that he could not dress himself worth a damn, and that he gave fellows with long hair a bad name. However, in more recent times, I have noted that Mr Brand has ceased to wear as often, the mask of banality which he so often doffed in previous years, and has begun to comment seriously, on serious matters. He does so in a way which, although it could be seen as somewhat sophomoric, actually marries his delivery to that which he seems to know in his heart as a self evident truth. I believe that he does this out of genuine connection with the people who he states are being abused and forgotten by the governmental systems which currently prevail in the west.

My dislike of his comedy, and my concerns over some of his past behaviors aside, I cannot help but recognise many of my own concerns reflected in his portrayal of our modern way of life, and his autopsy of it. I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Russel Brand. I do not know why he has suddenly changed tracks onto this more political slant. I do not know if he has been sponsored to do so by persons waiting in the wings. What I do know, is that wherever, and why ever the truth be spoken, the important thing is that it is spoken, not who speaks it or why.

Skorpy
reply to post by buster2010

 

The problem is people like you that are clinging to the old ways of Politics. Those ways have failed us forever. The whole game needs to be changed. I for one am glad to see people acknowledging the failures of old and are at least making people aware of the level of hate and control of the current political system.

No the old school politics would still be working if they were still being used. The people mistake was voting in people who went against the system and changed it. I haven't trusted the government since the 80's that is when our government started failing the people.

He is impressively articulate, and I support much of what he states.

However, is he utilizing comedy as a vehicle, or a crutch?