Obama Tells French President Some NSA Activities Distorted By press

NSA Activities Distorted By the press? Does Obama think that Francois Hollande does not know how to read? I mean Snowden had how many thousands of pages of Documents that prove everything. Anyways, Obama told him that the US is already reviewing how the US collects intelligence data. Yeah and I bet this is all done top secretly, meaning they shuffle some papers and say everything is Hunky Dorey.

Meanwhile Obama's national security adviser, Caitlin Hayden, said that they will keep collecting intelligence just like other countries, irregardless of how France feels about this.

Obama will Franzosen beschwichtigen

And it looks like the MSM is starting to take more notice with this recent revelation.

Home> Politics France Joins List of Allies Angry Over NSA Spying

Hollande's office issued a strongly worded statement afterward expressing "profound reprobation" over U.S. actions that it said intruded on the private lives of French citizens.

Spying among friendly countries is classic tradecraft but the sweep and scope of the National Security Agency program have surprised allies and raised indignation among those targeted — Germany, Mexico and Brazil among them.

This sort of practice between partners that invades privacy is totally unacceptable and we have to make sure, very quickly, that this no longer happens," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said. "We fully agree that we cooperate to fight terrorism. It is indispensable. But this does not justify that personal data of millions of our compatriots are snooped on."

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So Francois Hollande kowtows to Obama about how great friends and allies we are with France. What a spineless weasel. If you found out a close acquaintance was spying on you and your family and reading all your mail would you call them friends? Not likely.

I really (not) liked the part where "National Security Advisor Caitlin Hayden had reacted coolly, saying the U.S. would collect "like all the nations" abroad Information on Monday despite the indignant reactions from Paris."

Our intelligence agencies have the distinct resemblance of paranoid sociopaths.

And it also looks like there will be much more to come! But didn't we all know this! Sounds like we will be hearing some real whoppers!


Greenwald: Significant Revelations on NSA Spying to Come

In a videoconference with reporters from around the Americas, Greenwald said that the upcoming revelations will be as significant as the recently published disclosure that NSA intercepted over seventy million phone calls in France over a one-month period, the Associated Press reports.

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Just a funny thought... Will this be a future headline? Massive EMP blasts entire US. Leaders of every nation takes credit for massive effort in a group video. Except the US can't watch it. Also in headline news, Verizon goes bankrupt. And coming in just now, functionless NSA takes up peeking through windows.

Wow this is interesting.
"irregardless"

Don't see that word every day. "irregardless"

The NSA doesn't care bout normal people. But... if I worked at the NSA, I'd consider looking into people who say "irregardless."

Nephalim
Wow this is interesting.
"irregardless"

Don't see that word every day. "irregardless"

The NSA doesn't care bout normal people. But... if I worked at the NSA, I'd consider looking into people who say "irregardless."

Well, in all honesty I shortened the phrase a bit, and irregardless wasn't the exact word used. The translation was a bit spotty.

Obama's National Security Advisor Caitlin Hayden had reacted coolly, saying the U.S. would collect "like all the nations" abroad Information on Monday despite the indignant reactions from Paris.

Sorry, double post... I have set a bait trap for my wayward mouse with some yummy bytes. Hopefully this irritating double posting will end, and soon.

elouina

Nephalim
Wow this is interesting.
"irregardless"

Don't see that word every day. "irregardless"

The NSA doesn't care bout normal people. But... if I worked at the NSA, I'd consider looking into people who say "irregardless."

Well, in all honesty I shortened the phrase a bit, and irregardless wasn't the exact word used. The translation was a bit spotty.

Obama's National Security Advisor Caitlin Hayden had reacted coolly, saying the U.S. would collect "like all the nations" abroad Information on Monday despite the indignant reactions from Paris.

and "coolly?"
I need a new dictionary; maybe a thesaurus. I don't know anymore.

Just the other day I had an experience where I learned that it is routine procedure for cops to trick people into giving up their rights, that's just how things work. I don't see how this is any different.

Just on the local level, our house is now under surveillance by a van for something we don't even know about, which is why my attorney is filing for discovery.

It's complicated, but the basic idea is, if there is room for corruption, the corruption is going to exist. A lot of it isn't even obvious to politicians or wealthy CEO's, etc. because they aren't the ones being affected by it - like I said, it is complicated.

But the bottom line is, France has to step up for France. Obama isn't going to step up for France, he's going to lie if it is in his best interest. In fact, France has a right to step up to itself, in fact, France doesn't even have to say why, it can tell the U.S. illegal surveillance to get the hell out of its country without a reason if it wants.

That's just the way things work.

From my experience in similar situations, by the time someone is trying to explain to you why their illegal activities aren't THAT BAD and why you shouldn't worry about it, it's past time to tell them to leave.

It is a specific type of situation where someone is just trying to get away with things that they shouldn't be doing in the first place, especially one where the person is trying to harm you, and they are trying to trick you into thinking it's okay, and they are trying to get you (or France) to look the other way just long enough for them to get what they want to get done, that kind of thing.

I can be more specific about the situation, it is a specific situation that has an extremely high correlation to sociopaths.

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Accordingly, the NSA monitored only within a month - between the 10th December 2012, and the 8th January 2013 - 70.3 million telephone connections in France. On certain days of the U.S. intelligence therefore drew on data from nearly seven million phone calls.

There we go, that's data right there, not an opinion.

So the question is, does France want its citizens and businesses and politicians phone calls to be intercepted by the NSA without a warrant and without international legal justification?

What's the difference here? Is the only difference between this and other illegal U.S. activities that the U.S. got caught? Because that is what it seems like to me.

That's the only justification I can think of for the U.S. to say that it's okay (that they are doing it and a lot more already) - and that specific justification actually means that there is MORE going on that wasn't reported, therefore the newspapers were UNDERSTATING the situation.

So what Obama is actually saying, is that the newspapers might be speculating too much based on the information they have, that's what he's saying,

What he is also saying (between the lines) is that he's displaying sociopathic behavioral patterns. Specifically, that he has to know there is more going on than the newspapers reported, yet he is still trying to make it seem like they are over-reacting.

More specifically, he thinks that he can say this because he isn't going to get caught, not because it's a true statement. That is a trait linked most often to sociopathic behavior.

Another question here, why are we assuming that the U.S. government is going to care about its own citizens enough to follow national and international law if their behavior is setting a different precedent?

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All of this brings something to mind. Why should the US government be allowed to treat other countries with less respect than for its own citizens? Basically since they can't tread on Americans they are picking other countries to bully.

Never before have I ever dreamed I would support modifying the constitution. But I would like to see the same guarantees of rights by our government extended to all people of the world.

Ps. I still say that the NSA is spying on US citizens a lot more than we have heard about.

Just thought that I would share an update from another source. Here Clapper flat out calls the files released by Snowden as flat out lies.

W ashington. U.S. intelligence director said Tuesday that papers recently published by the daily Le Monde on the activities of the NSA spying in France contain information "inaccurate and misleading" about U.S. intelligence activities

"The information that the National Security Agency (NSA) has made ​​more than 70 million telephone data recordings of French is false, "said James Clapper.

"We will not dwell on the details of our activities, but we have made clear that the United States collects intelligence elements of the same type as those collected by all countries," Clapper, which oversees 16 intelligence agencies, includa Agency National Security (NSA), in the center of the debate. "America gathers information to protect their nation, their interests, and to protect its allies mainly of terrorist threats or the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," he said, before concluding that his country "attaches great importance to its long friendship with France and will continue to cooperate on security and intelligence. " The newspaper Le Monde, which revealed on Monday details of the NSA wiretapping French citizens on the

U.S. dismisses revelations about alleged espionage Le Monde in France

America used to be the big guy on the block willing to help out a neighbor. His (America's) house was big, tidy, small repairs required, but nice.

Now America has turned to the twisted neighbor who is suspicious of all, who spies on his neighbors, who's lawn in overgrown with a house going into disrepair.

America is lowering the property values of the rest of the planet (neighborhood).

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Hey I know you will be interested in this. Up a few posts, I reported that more was to come. But now looking at the AP release, Greenwald is promising more leaks concerning US privacy breeches!

The journalist behind stories about the National Security Agency's global spy program promised Monday that there are many more to come, including details about the United States spying on its own citizens.

NSA spy program reporter promises more bombshells

Omg he just bold face lies about everything.

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When I look at what happened last century involving the Nazi concentration camps, and the Russian and Chinese genocides, and I realized that this was something that could happen anywhere, that's when I understood why the United Nations was formed.

Even in this past year, the United States was about to make another stupid decision to attack Syria (which has modern weapons, while all of our military has been trained to fight against insurgents with weapons made from scraps) which could have easily resulted in a hot war with Russia and the Middle East, we could have lost whole fleets.

It was only because of the United Nations that we were able to get an unbiased group of inspectors into Syria to present a case for the government using chemical weapons and find a solution to get rid of Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles.

I think the U.N. has to be more proactive in punishing the United States for violating any trade or diplomatic agreements it has - specifically the National Security Agency's illegal surveillance on E.U. allied nations, in France, over 70 million calls are monitored of civilians and businessmen and women per month.

I have no doubt that a lot of this is being used by American corporations and businessmen to give them an edge against E.U. businesses, for one. In fact, Germany even suggested as much when it chastised the U.S. for the same reason.

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You know what I think? Maybe the United Nations should start its own spying program in order to spy on U.S. politicians and corporations and release the data to E.U. nations and Russia. The U.N. could do it, because if the U.S. tried to stop them, the U.S. would not have the moral authority to do so.

I think this is a good solution. We might even be able to oust some corruption while we are at it. I support this resolution 100%.

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Oh most definitely this gives the US a business edge. But do you want to know what else? Just imagine how much more money goes into this than we are being told. Meanwhile the military, the ones who protect our arses are being scaled back. You can't put all your eggs into one basket.