Sectionalism on the rise in the US? This time from the North!?

www.salon.com...

These articles only get sillier and sillier, if only because the liberals greatly over-estimate their power in the US, with the rust belt and California falling into the sea, the only real strength Liberals have any more is the financial center of the US. Meanwhile the South has oil, industry and God. And if you don't believe in God, they at least have conviction.

Yeah I think the South is a regional political force, I don't think it is as coordinated as the fantasies of liberal losers, however.

If you read the article a bunch of wetdreams start appearing, like mentions to the KKK, disfranchisement, some kind of backward economic scheme they call a "race to the bottom", if that's what you call it when your industry shrivels up like an old man and withers away like it did in the North?

Bottom line, more and more, these northern liberal elitists just are itching for sectionalism and divide, it's the only way they can preserve their dumpy socialist garbage.

sounds good to me. Hope they know how to raise cattle and grow crops from there penthouse roof tops.

FreeMason

These articles only get sillier and sillier, if only because the liberals greatly over-estimate their power in the US, with the rust belt and California falling into the sea, the only real strength Liberals have any more is the financial center of the US. Meanwhile the South has oil, industry and God. And if you don't believe in God, they at least have conviction.

Actually, the whole country has God. In addition, both parties are filled with religious individuals. I would add further that there is simply no evidence that the preferred denominations of southern conservatives are any more Christian or Godly than denominations favored in the north east.

How did you get all those stars OP. Maybe you emptied the milky way.

I don't think that this area is all liberals, many of the people are conservatives. We used to me more community minded but now everyone seems to be out for themselves.

camaro68ss
sounds good to me. Hope they know how to raise cattle and grow crops from there penthouse roof tops.

I'm guessing you've either never been to the NorthEast US or if you have it's not been outside a major city because where I live its all cows and corn. I'm pretty sure we would survive just fine. And correct me if In wrong but didnt some fine gents from below the Mason-Dixon Line make a similar error in judgement a little over 150 years ago? Generalizations and stereotypes on either end will be what puts the nail in the coffin instead of appreciating what individuals bring to the table.

Kaploink

FreeMason

These articles only get sillier and sillier, if only because the liberals greatly over-estimate their power in the US, with the rust belt and California falling into the sea, the only real strength Liberals have any more is the financial center of the US. Meanwhile the South has oil, industry and God. And if you don't believe in God, they at least have conviction.

Actually, the whole country has God. In addition, both parties are filled with religious individuals. I would add further that there is simply no evidence that the preferred denominations of southern conservatives are any more Christian or Godly than denominations favored in the north east.

There is perfect evidence, Red states are growing and becoming more wealthy than Blue states which are shrinking and becoming poorer. Good economics, good politics, God's favor, whatever.

The blue states don't have God, they pay lip service to God, which is more damning than just being a heathen.

peter vlar

camaro68ss
sounds good to me. Hope they know how to raise cattle and grow crops from there penthouse roof tops.

I'm guessing you've either never been to the NorthEast US or if you have it's not been outside a major city because where I live its all cows and corn. I'm pretty sure we would survive just fine. And correct me if In wrong but didnt some fine gents from below the Mason-Dixon Line make a similar error in judgement a little over 150 years ago? Generalizations and stereotypes on either end will be what puts the nail in the coffin instead of appreciating what individuals bring to the table.

The projecting and defense of wrong ill-liberal, fascist institutions is the only thing the North shares with the antebellum South.

As for food, good luck feeding 60 million people on what little farmland you have left.

Oh look, another ultra-conservative stereotype ranting about how "the south will rise again." It's not gonna happen, period. Ever. The only states that might possibly have a chance on their own are Texas and California.

FreeMason

peter vlar

camaro68ss
sounds good to me. Hope they know how to raise cattle and grow crops from there penthouse roof tops.

I'm guessing you've either never been to the NorthEast US or if you have it's not been outside a major city because where I live its all cows and corn. I'm pretty sure we would survive just fine. And correct me if In wrong but didnt some fine gents from below the Mason-Dixon Line make a similar error in judgement a little over 150 years ago? Generalizations and stereotypes on either end will be what puts the nail in the coffin instead of appreciating what individuals bring to the table.

The projecting and defense of wrong ill-liberal, fascist institutions is the only thing the North shares with the antebellum South.

As for food, good luck feeding 60 million people on what little farmland you have left.

Governor Cuomo is that you? I think you missed the analogy I was making, that 150 years ago some good ole boys got together and decided they liked selling cotton and they would be damned if they were gonna give up what allowed them to dominate textiles and In their arrogance they sowed the seed of their defeat.in a similar fashion, the ignorant mistakes of the past appear to be espoused in the OP.
I got a good chuckle from your statement about the south becoming more wealthy despite the fact that states like Mississippi are only #1 in obesity or food stamp recipients. At least they can get grits on their EBT card right? In all seriousness though, 9 of the 10 poorest states are in the South. That's not a rave advertisement for prosperity.
As for feeding 60 million people, you really know NOTHING about NY do you? it's the 3rd largest dairy producing state in the nation, 3rd in Corn(approx. 600,000 acres of just corn) soybean production is increasing every year. Local beef and pork has doubled in the past 5 years... I could go on all day.

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So New York produces enough food to provide for all of its citizens upstate, with enough left over so that only 90% of NYC resorts to cannibalism?

Now that's a model of self-sustaining independence.

OpenMindedRealist
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So New York produces enough food to provide for all of its citizens upstate, with enough left over so that only 90% of NYC resorts to cannibalism?

Now that's a model of self-sustaining independence.

In all fairness, upstate we don't really care what happens to NYC, within reason. with its massive population density, they elect and ship all their liberals to Albany and tell the rest of us how we're doing it all wrong and usually get away with it. There are more people in Queens than there are in the 518 area code. I'm not sure I see a downside to bankers on wall st. eating each others flesh. They've been doing it to the rest of us for a couple hundred years. Turn about is fair play.

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Speaking of lip service, I once heard a fellow say "The south will rise again,but only high enough to kiss the north's arse !" Do ya think that may be true ?

reply to post by peter vlar


Point noted.

That is the problem with massive urban populations; they end up having more say over state policy than their rural counterparts. This, despite being more ignorant, using up more resources, and contributing less (on average) to GDP.

Which is exactly why the founders created the electoral college -- to prevent a state's urban population from swinging the entire state.

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Har, har.

You are giving me nothing to work with but the spitefulness of your tone.

The South already had to pucker up to the North. It was at gunpoint, for decades after the war ended.

It has taken generations, but we have rebuilt a vibrant, multi-faceted economy. Just like before, its strength comes from the fact that it does not rely on imports or tenuous Union contracts.

Unlike before, all labor contracts are consensual. Slavery was the South's great economic mistake as well as its great ethical one.

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Okay, and well said. Humor was my intent. Spitefulness ? No.

Figured sectionalism was more widespread than just the north.

It's the American Dream . . revisited and restarting.

OpenMindedRealist
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Point noted.

That is the problem with massive urban populations; they end up having more say over state policy than their rural counterparts. This, despite being more ignorant, using up more resources, and contributing less (on average) to GDP.

Which is exactly why the founders created the electoral college -- to prevent a state's urban population from swinging the entire state.

In a national election yes, but for state senate and assembly elections we're screwed. The pop density of NYC/ Long Island sends an insane amount of unscrupulous politicians up here who try to play god with an entire state and force urban values on a fairly rural environment. Just look at the SAFE Act passed last January. Nobody in upstate would have alienated their constituents by attempting to pass such garbage legislation. With Cuomo and Silver running the show in Albany there's not much of a role model for appropriate governance.

It amazes me that people deny the South's growing industrialization and middle class, while the North is eroding freedom and prosperity.

It's like they don't see the increased population growth, and wealth of the South, at all, they stick their fingers in their ears.

Look at how much richer the South is becoming.



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I want to move to Washington State. They appear to have done more for protecting our Constitution than any other state I've seen (Colorado is a close second). I've also lived in the South (Mississippi) and I'll just leave it at this, "never again."

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Perhaps in my haste to reply, I mistook humor for goading.

I now understand your point, and concur. Sectionalism undoubtedly exists everywhere. Of course the 50 states are all better off in a Union, however just as with any group some are less dependent on the rest.

If the other red states are anything like Texas then I wouldn't be too exited. Massively expanding unsustainable populations comprised mainly of lower economic stratas and dwindling water supplies, along with global warming destroying cropland equal a catastrophie waiting to happen.