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Willtell
reply to post by solomons path
Personally I wanted a single payer like Canada. Also, I am not an Obama fan, but I am realistic, and hope the system gets better.
There are horror stories all over this country that this anti-universal health care mob doesn’t give a dam about.
nenothtu
Willtell
reply to post by solomons path
Personally I wanted a single payer like Canada. Also, I am not an Obama fan, but I am realistic, and hope the system gets better.
OK, time for some definitions here. WTF are you calling "single payer"? If I go to a doctor and pay it out of my own pocket, there ain't but one of me paying, thus a "single payer" system. How is what you are advocating any different? What makes THAT "single payer"?
There are horror stories all over this country that this anti-universal health care mob doesn’t give a dam about.
As I've said dozens of times here at ATS already, I don't give a damn what YOU do about YOUR health - it's none of my business. You and your government can go crazy with it, AS LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE.
Force me into it, there's gonna be trouble. I take care of ME already, don't need you or your government (or your "health care" or "insurance" industries) to.
Crakeur
reply to post by Willtell
I have it for a couple more months but thanks to my wife being laid off, I'll be looking for insurance. It's expensive here in NYC, more so since I'll be insuring my wife and two kids as well. I've run the numbers. It'll cost me between $20,000- $30,000 for a decent plan that doesn't have an opressive deductible. That's with, or without, the CACA, sorry ACA.
It's going to cost me as much as it would if I self-insured.
Willtell
reply to post by nenothtu
Say that to a cop when he catches you without car insurance.
abecedarian
Their definition of "single payer" is the government forcefully collects your 'contributions' and they control what care you receive and in exchange for that authority they pay the bill, which they determine.
Willtell
reply to post by nenothtu
Say that to a cop when he catches you without car insurance.
nenothtu
These propagandistic euphemisms can get so confusing, can't they? Reminds me of Orwell's "DoubleSpeak". That's not "single payer", that's 330 million payers, all tugging at the same chains and iron collars!
MY system truly IS single payer. Just me.
They can do as they please, tote the same bail, haul the same barge, as long as they leave me and people like me a way to opt out.
The only way we can opt out of this travesty is by fighting the system, actively resisting it.
Which we WILL. Take that to the bank.
Willtell
reply to post by nenothtu
Good for you, I don’t begrudge your choice.
My point in the insurance rap is that we already are required to do certain things by the government.
MsAphrodite
The truth is that this "fee" is in fact a fine and not a tax. You are supposed to get something out of the taxes you pay. With this, you get nothing in return unless you buy something, (healthcare). What is shocking to me is that NO ONE is discussing what you get if you opt out.
What you get is a huge FINE, and you still don't have healthcare. It is most certainly not a tax.
The biggest bill of goods ever shoved down the citizens throats. Well at least we used to be citizens. Subjects of the US, comply... or else.
kx12x
What a load of garbage. "I am Obamacare"? How about "I am Obamabot"?
The propaganda here is obvious, from the bold type "change" and "hope", the giant Obama logo in the background to the "I am Obamacare" chant. But what else would you expect from the Huffington post? They've been huffing something, thats for sure, if they expect me to believe this.
edit on 6-10-2013 by kx12x because: (no reason given)
Willtell
One can tell the op hit a sore spot by all the vitriol by the anti-insurance mob.
How many of you mobsters DON’T HAVE health insurance?
Now don’t lie just to make a point.
I know this op hurts you.
It doesn’t confirm your notions.
Sure this ACA isn’t perfect, but we could have had a better system, maybe based on a Canadian or German model, BUT THE GOP don’t want universal health insurance for all. They didn't cooperate with the attempt to have it in this country.
Actually some of what went into the ACA was first supported by the GOP. But when Obama adapted it all of a sudden they were against it.
edit on 6-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)