Knock-Out, awww, it's just a game.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I hate to say it again, but it is partially due to the video and movie violence. People will immediately think to a movie or a game...but that's not it and never could be. It's the 24/7 wash in blood, gore, violence, rape and all forms of depravity as the norm and regular input that makes for the end result, IMO.

The more I've become sensitive about it, the more I've realized in ways never noticed before....damn near every program on anymore is packed with it. Pretty much all the games that sell the best (GTA) are among the most depraved... IF someone has that type of thinking to play out, to start with. (I have all but the last in the GTA series myself...I don't act it out...but then, I didn't grow up 24/7 in violence in all directions either).

It all has to have a dramatic impact over years upon years to impressionable kids, doesn't it? Heck, the 7 forbidden words were still dead serious when I was a kid. Children never died in movies. Babies dying were pretty much outlawed (in practice if not literally)... Heros always won and bad guys almost always lost.

Flip it all 180 degrees like it is now? What should we expect from those absorbing it as their only view of reality in life? I think we lose sight...because it isn't close to OUR only reality....we knew so much more as kids.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I couldn't agree with you more Wrabbit. Our popular culture is so saturated in violence it's incredible. Blood, gore, sex and excess are what sells (or at least what they market). I'm shocked at what I see on network tv these days: Miley Cyrus and her plunge to the bottom, surprisingly graphic sex scenes and the usual death and destruction that's become commonplace. I still enjoy the Waltons for goshsakes. Where is a parent to turn to keep their kids away from this filth - it's everywhere.
And as culture goes I would nominate hip-hop/rap as among the worst of offenders. It has no redeeming value other than dance steps and most of those are sexual pantomime. It doesn't matter if there is a conspiracy behind pop music when it's all become mental poison to a generation.

I know I sound like a fuddy-duddy which is ironic since I was an active member of the punk/DIY community for many years and fought for free expression. Young people would hardly believe that just 20 years ago there was no graphic scenes of death or even so much as a woman's breast allowed to be shown on tv. I grew up rather annoyed at the namby pamby nature of pop music and tv. All the song lyrics about being in love or driving hot cars or other such nonsense. Now I find myself missing the Waltons (but NOT little house on the prairie - never!)

Kids today will stand zero chance of growing up untainted by popular media without extreme parental intervention. What a sad statement on freedom this nation is making with the media they produce for consumption.

Lassie come home!

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Well, I'll tell ya what my canine friend. I looked and looked and I think I found the perfect Christmas gift for the Mod that has everything.

Merry Christmas!

I was going to offer Little House on the Prarie (really..I was too!) but then you mentioned it wasn't your favorite at the end...so this is the next best thing. I grew up watching my mother watch Little House episodes too.. aww... and Gilligan's Island where a kiss on the cheek was scandalous and if the married couple ever had sex..well.. With those two? I suppose it's better left a mystery, actually.

It is impossible to tell our kids now how violence was once a rare thing in any form they know it today outside R (NOT Nc-17...lol) movies. Remember those? Where they actually carded you to get in and watch...and they meant it, too. It took a regular special ops mission to liberate porno magazines from where they were so hard to obtain....and movies? Wow.. a rare thing indeed.

Now? lol... Oh You recall the movie series 'Faces of Death'? That was once considered among the only non-sexual xxx level movies out there. It's kinda tame and boring by some internet stuff today. Scary huh?

This why I have my CCW, am always armed and am very well practiced in its use. I will NOT be a victim. Once the bodies start piling up, they will likely lose interest in this "game".

Besides everyone carrying a handgun, another way to deter this is anyone involved is an automatic death sentence. While I am a Christian, I find that there are cases where capital punishment is a just punishment, beating of innocent and often helpless people just for fun IMO, is a death sentence.

The real pathetic part about this is the main stream media covering up black crimes while demonizing whites, gun owners, pro-constitutionalists, and Christians any chance they get.. The main stream media and the government is very much to blame for their part in promoting this behavior, the blood is also on their hands.

They used to play a similar game here in the uk called happy slapping...

this one went wrong...
enjoy...

reply to post by network dude


"It seems to have stemmed from the Travon Martin garbage." (Not quite) I've been reading about this for years now.It was going on way before Travon Martin was in the news.This is just an excuse for thugs to 'practice' hurting unarmed people before they make the leap to the big time gangs.

reply to post by intrptr


Yes I agree with you,and remember the poor old man down in the city that was killed by this game a couple of years ago? The police have been frustrated by not being able to prove what 'kids' were involved.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I'm going to take your point one step further, as a child I was very very sensitive to anything that I perceived as bad happening to an animal.I would become hysterical if I 'thought' an animal had been hurt in a movie.But back then my parents were watching what us kids watched.It was the old fashioned all sit around the TV and watch the show thing.Now mind you we grew up with some weird shows. Outer limits, star trek,night gallery and night stalker to name a few.Aliens vampires etc.But heres the thing,when I did become upset over an animal being 'hurt',my parents were right beside me saying ' don't worry its not real,its just a movie.The cow wasn't hurt". Or whatever the case was.

I think now days there is no parent watching what they're kids are seeing on TV or internet.There is no one saying to them, hey, thats photoshop or its not real its a movie kid.Being impressionable they believe what they see and start thinking its ok to do those things.They have no guidance.From there once they are old enough its all down hill. My two cents anyway.

First, though well meant, I would not be advertizing how you would fire upon someone doing something on a public forum.

Second, people are funny - the same people that might post here how they don't like teens preying upon the elderly - and I'm sure the kids just think it's "funny" - will jump up and say they'd like to run over someone with their car who was wearing a biking outfit and riding on the road 'holding them up'.

The kids just don't see the poor elderly person as a victim, they see them as a caricature, less than human, and don't realize it could be their grandmother. Those people, otherwise pretty normal, who say they would run over a guy or girl on a bicycle because they have the 'nerve' to ride on the road, don't stop to think it could be their friend or neighbor's child.

We all need to take a step back and stop persecuting our fellow man, stop taking everything as an affront, have some empathy.

dimithae
reply to post by intrptr

 

Yes I agree with you,and remember the poor old man down in the city that was killed by this game a couple of years ago? The police have been frustrated by not being able to prove what 'kids' were involved.

Agreed. These "predators" are careful to "work" at night in remote areas and "gang up" on those that are less able to defend themselves. Its "their jungle", they are aware of police patrols and network with each other establishing lookouts and acting quickly to avoid any repercussions.

You almost would never witness one of these occurrences let alone be able to do anything about it at the time. People talk like they would shoot the perps if they saw it happening, but really that is ridiculous.

Witness-- "It was wild. Dude was gettin' beat up and we tried to help but then this other dude showed up and started shooting at everyone."

Next headline-- rampage vigilante style shooter kills two,wounds 7 innocent people... thugs get away.

roadgravel

four members of the national Championship Alabama football team were arrested after three played the game two times, and the fourth tried to use a debit card taken during the attacks.

So much for good life lessons being learned in team sports, at least not for these four.

They did learn a life lesson. Athletes and celebrities dont have to live by the same rules you and I do. I first noticed this in high school ( 24 good god years ago), football players were definitely treated different. My 11 yr old notices it too, her friends dad is the chief of police.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Don't blame tv and video games for the state of society today. If watching tv directly influenced our behavior we would have a lot more cops, lawyers and " lifeguards. Hehe".
I feel tv reflects society, society doesn't reflect tv.
Forks don't make you fat, beer don't make alcoholics and guns don't make you kill..
This violence all starts at home, it's lack of morals and consequences..

reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


I'm not blaming Video Games or television. That is where this topic gets bogged down in a hurry. I don't believe for a moment that either or both are Cause -> Effect issues to violence. However, I DO think they are contributing factors given the lower and lower ages which the true combat and tactical games are being played at.

People who can keep things in perspective aren't a problem and never have been. All present company included, I'd sure hope. It helps bring out the nutjobs though and desensitizes people in general.

Eighty-seven percent of American households have more than one television, and almost 50% of children have television in their rooms; 88.7% of homes with children have home video game equipment, a personal computer, or both. An average teenager listens to 10,500 hours of rock music during the years between the 7th and 12th grades.

By age 18 an American child will have seen 16,000 simulated murders and 200,000 acts of violence.

That comes to us from a Congressional Report dated 1999. Not bad timing to be making the point in violence being seen today.

Again...Contributory factor. Not cause and effect. I think the difference is everything and no 1 cause can be highlighted.

reply to post by network dude

They just seem to be going after old people and in numbers.....the pure definition of "cowardly" .

One can only hope they meet a carry permit on the way.

A brave person dies only once, a coward dies a thousands times.....welcome to the prison system "bit**'s". Try one punching your new daddy.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


I highly doubt the media would be so blatant as to label an occurrence a hate crime when the facts are clear of the shooter MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS, and the attacker/s decided to PUNCH HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, for no reason.

In your mind, and several other people's minds, the media will just decide to call it a hate crime.

But agreed wholeheartedly with everything else said here.

DeadSeraph
Only a matter of time until someone does actually shoot one of these punks and then the media props it up as a "hate crime" and plays the race card. We'll have the zimmerman trial 2.0 if people don't get a fricken grip soon.

Wishful thinking but unfortunately there are no similarities between these atrocious attacks and the Martin/Zimmerman event. Did you draw that parallel with a crayon? is it because a presumably non black adult will be killing an underage minority? Why would there be the same outcry and sympathy for a hypothetical teen literally on the prowl for someone incapable of defending themselves to cheap shot with the intent of causing maximum damage who got what they deserved compared to someone going about their business and being confronted for no reason and the ensuing moments getting way out of hand resulting in a completely unnecessary death? The mere mention and attempt to lump was ignorance in all its clumsy stupor.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I think more pure words have never been spoken.
The madness of these "Random Incidents" are growing in number.
I truly think that an instant reaction by a person on behalf of a life or death moment would clear them in a suicide by CCW

reply to post by LizardSlicks


Nice assumption. All the evidence seems to indicate that this is exactly what happened. I'm not going to derail the thread as there were enough discussions on the zimmerman trial on ATS. But I will say that your perception of Martin being some innocent victim is quite comical. Martin was known to take part in very similar activities, and the evidence seems to indicate he attacked Zimmerman, not the other way around. As far as I'm concerned he got what was coming to him, and no it has nothing to do with race. I'd feel the exact same way if he were a white kid or any other ethnicity. Thugs are thugs. Skin color doesn't make them any less or more of a loser.

I've noticed that in these kinds of news stories, the attackers are always being called "teens".
Why not address them as the "thugs" that they are?

Is there a law that prohibits the media from calling a thug one, before he is convicted?