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A four year-old little girl in the hills of Perry County, Kentucky? But I can tell you that her mother had been involved in a local satan worshiping cult. I can tell you the paranormal activity surrounding that house. But a four year-old little girl as the victim of EM Frequencies?
I don't think you quite grasp yet what we are saying. In the cases of possession, a visually observed physical change occurs. There is no EM Frequency that can physically change the larynx of a person so they speak completely differently.
AfterInfinity
reply to post by WarminIndy
A four year-old little girl in the hills of Perry County, Kentucky? But I can tell you that her mother had been involved in a local satan worshiping cult. I can tell you the paranormal activity surrounding that house. But a four year-old little girl as the victim of EM Frequencies?
I don't think you quite grasp yet what we are saying. In the cases of possession, a visually observed physical change occurs. There is no EM Frequency that can physically change the larynx of a person so they speak completely differently.
Satan is a cop-out. He has never been proven to exist, and none of the manifestations recorded throughout history have ever been fully investigated to the point that we can concretely determine both the nature AND the cause of the manifestation.
edit on 21-9-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
OrphanApology
The bible I read didn't really depict Satan/Devil/Snake in a bad light. What would a possession even look like? If the devil possessed someone wouldn't they just become skeptical and logical? Perhaps with a greater knowledge of good and evil? Since the worst thing the devil did in the Christian bible was tempt man to make choices?
I think if I were scared of any type of possession it would be that of an angel, then you risk the possessed becoming a mass murderer in the name of the good lord. I don't remember Satan ever ordering mass murder anywhere in the bible, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Either way, I don't believe in those stories anymore than I believe in Zeus and Athena. Honestly I'd much rather the Greek myths to be true because let's be honest...the goddesses sound way hotter.
WarminIndy
OrphanApology
The bible I read didn't really depict Satan/Devil/Snake in a bad light. What would a possession even look like? If the devil possessed someone wouldn't they just become skeptical and logical? Perhaps with a greater knowledge of good and evil? Since the worst thing the devil did in the Christian bible was tempt man to make choices?
I think if I were scared of any type of possession it would be that of an angel, then you risk the possessed becoming a mass murderer in the name of the good lord. I don't remember Satan ever ordering mass murder anywhere in the bible, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Either way, I don't believe in those stories anymore than I believe in Zeus and Athena. Honestly I'd much rather the Greek myths to be true because let's be honest...the goddesses sound way hotter.
There are times when people do make things up or mistake something, but of the few that I have seen, they are very real.
I have to judge what I see also and I am fairly good about questioning everything. But at the same time I realize that I don't know everything. There are things that I am skeptical about, alien abductions and astral projections are just two of them. I attempt to be very rational about things.
But to witness a four year-old child speak to me in the voice of a grown man, cursing at me, and seeing this child's head picked up and slammed into the floor by something unseen, there is no rational explanation for it. I would love for someone to suggest I take a lie detector test or put me under hypnosis, because this is something I still see today, it happened in 1991.
I can't prove that it happened, all I can say is that I witnessed it.
OrphanApology
WarminIndy
OrphanApology
The bible I read didn't really depict Satan/Devil/Snake in a bad light. What would a possession even look like? If the devil possessed someone wouldn't they just become skeptical and logical? Perhaps with a greater knowledge of good and evil? Since the worst thing the devil did in the Christian bible was tempt man to make choices?
I think if I were scared of any type of possession it would be that of an angel, then you risk the possessed becoming a mass murderer in the name of the good lord. I don't remember Satan ever ordering mass murder anywhere in the bible, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Either way, I don't believe in those stories anymore than I believe in Zeus and Athena. Honestly I'd much rather the Greek myths to be true because let's be honest...the goddesses sound way hotter.
There are times when people do make things up or mistake something, but of the few that I have seen, they are very real.
I have to judge what I see also and I am fairly good about questioning everything. But at the same time I realize that I don't know everything. There are things that I am skeptical about, alien abductions and astral projections are just two of them. I attempt to be very rational about things.
But to witness a four year-old child speak to me in the voice of a grown man, cursing at me, and seeing this child's head picked up and slammed into the floor by something unseen, there is no rational explanation for it. I would love for someone to suggest I take a lie detector test or put me under hypnosis, because this is something I still see today, it happened in 1991.
I can't prove that it happened, all I can say is that I witnessed it.
I would recommend reading every article on this website: Psychohistory.com
What you are describing sounds like a kid who has a history of child abuse at some point. I'm sure you won't read any of the articles on that website and will continue to believe that the devil infiltrated the child, instead of looking at the rational explanation of child abuse that might have caused the behavior you're describing.
Even IF someone believes in devil possession, to believe that a four year old would be possessed goes against the whole concept of childhood innocence and puberty being the gateway to the tree of knowledge...but I digress. Believe what you want.
In determining the actual incidence of childhood sexual abuse in modern societies, the main problem is that one must rely upon witnesses who have enormous emotional difficulties in reporting what they find - far more so than with any other psychohistorical subject I have encountered.
WarminIndy
OrphanApology
WarminIndy
OrphanApology
The bible I read didn't really depict Satan/Devil/Snake in a bad light. What would a possession even look like? If the devil possessed someone wouldn't they just become skeptical and logical? Perhaps with a greater knowledge of good and evil? Since the worst thing the devil did in the Christian bible was tempt man to make choices?
I think if I were scared of any type of possession it would be that of an angel, then you risk the possessed becoming a mass murderer in the name of the good lord. I don't remember Satan ever ordering mass murder anywhere in the bible, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Either way, I don't believe in those stories anymore than I believe in Zeus and Athena. Honestly I'd much rather the Greek myths to be true because let's be honest...the goddesses sound way hotter.
There are times when people do make things up or mistake something, but of the few that I have seen, they are very real.
I have to judge what I see also and I am fairly good about questioning everything. But at the same time I realize that I don't know everything. There are things that I am skeptical about, alien abductions and astral projections are just two of them. I attempt to be very rational about things.
But to witness a four year-old child speak to me in the voice of a grown man, cursing at me, and seeing this child's head picked up and slammed into the floor by something unseen, there is no rational explanation for it. I would love for someone to suggest I take a lie detector test or put me under hypnosis, because this is something I still see today, it happened in 1991.
I can't prove that it happened, all I can say is that I witnessed it.
I would recommend reading every article on this website: Psychohistory.com
What you are describing sounds like a kid who has a history of child abuse at some point. I'm sure you won't read any of the articles on that website and will continue to believe that the devil infiltrated the child, instead of looking at the rational explanation of child abuse that might have caused the behavior you're describing.
Even IF someone believes in devil possession, to believe that a four year old would be possessed goes against the whole concept of childhood innocence and puberty being the gateway to the tree of knowledge...but I digress. Believe what you want.
I have read this before. And yes, I am looking at it now also. Sex abuse of children does terrible things to them that they can't ever get over. And yes, they do act out in ways that we very often do see as a result of sex abuse. But I would not say that what I witnessed was her acting out.
Even if sex abuse were to blame, we cannot say it happened in every case. I know it did in the woman I talked about in the other post, but to say it happened to the four-year old, I can't just say that was the cause. I would be accusing the parents of something that might not even be true. And I never once said her mother had taken her to the cult. I do not believe the little girl was a victim of ritual sex abuse, if she had since then, that's another thing. And not all sex abuse victims exhibit extreme behavior.
The author says here....
In determining the actual incidence of childhood sexual abuse in modern societies, the main problem is that one must rely upon witnesses who have enormous emotional difficulties in reporting what they find - far more so than with any other psychohistorical subject I have encountered.
So why is it acceptable to rely on witnesses that become he-said, she-said in psychiatry, but not in the paranormal? Is it because we have said that only psychiatrists are the holders of the truth, so every witness must be true because the psychiatrist accepts it as such?
If a person is thought to be possessed and the question were asked of them "were you sexually abused?" then that becomes suggestive and leading. But it's very hard to see a child tormented in this way, and then assume something that might not be the case for her. I can't read into her history and say that's what it was. I have met a lot of people who were sexually abused who didn't exhibit anything remotely like what I saw from her.
You probably have met a lot of people that you didn't know had been abused when they were children because they never told you about it. But at that point, it merely is like I said before..he-said, she-said, because now there is no evidence to prove, only their memories of it. And I am sure there are people who you thought had been abused as children, but they had not been.
It's a terrible thing, but we cannot just assume everything is a result of abuse. Look at what happened to that couple that were wrongly accused of ritual sex abuse of children in their care? That destroyed them.
How many times have you been somewhere and seen a child jumping on furniture and throwing toys around and their mothers are completely exasperated when the child does not behave? You wouldn't look at that mother and say she abuses her child at home, that's why it acts out.
What I witnessed was not a child acting out.
Deetermined
reply to post by winofiend
Because 57% of them think it's ok to believe that.
I'm not understanding your point. What's wrong with believing it?
spartacus699
What do you think the illuminati are? ....
They're the bridge between demonic realms and humans. Demon possessed humans. That's how they're able to control everything and everyone at the upper levels. Mind you that's a different kind of possession, the kind where these, which are most likely fallen arch angels, are possessing them and helping them to gain control most everything. The possession that happens to ordinary people is usually just to try and kill that person and or have that person kill others.