Is Syria a foreign distraction from a domestic issue?

tetra50

JackSparrow17
reply to post by The GUT

 

Well I don't buy into "doom porn" or weird lizard-men or UFOs stuff. I do, however, buy into corrupt and evil men doing corrupt and evil things for money or power. I will check out those threads you linked to for future reading. There is a wealth of knowledge and ideas here that I enjoy sifting through. Just have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I starred you and everyone on your thread, OP. That's how pertinent I feel this topic is. But I believe we have yet to uncover what we are being distracted from....

As to the quote above I chose to reply to, you should read this member's threads and listen to what he/she has to say.....it's not doom porn, or any such thing, but well researched and presented and articulated.
When you first arrive here, however you came to find the site, you may be still in a state of "just going along, roll with the flow, so to speak," as I like to put it. However, the revelations after having studied, read and looked inward, can be quite revealing as to the true reality.
just sayin.
Great thread.
With respect,
Tetra50

And I fully plan on reading everything he posted! It is that important! I mainly wanted to be sure after he mentioned that [doom porn] is something I don't buy in to. We've seen these types. "The world is over! Super WW3 on steroids with aliens and comets! Ahhhh!" Oof. I'm about facts. Sure my instinct is important, but what about empirical data, truths learned over the years? I will mention that I specifically didn't add any "hard facts" to my thread on purpose. AT this point we all have an idea of what is going on, and it would be senseless to rehash things. I've felt this has been a terrific discussion, and The Gut brings up some excellent info for study.

JackSparrow17

tetra50

JackSparrow17
reply to post by The GUT

 

Well I don't buy into "doom porn" or weird lizard-men or UFOs stuff. I do, however, buy into corrupt and evil men doing corrupt and evil things for money or power. I will check out those threads you linked to for future reading. There is a wealth of knowledge and ideas here that I enjoy sifting through. Just have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I starred you and everyone on your thread, OP. That's how pertinent I feel this topic is. But I believe we have yet to uncover what we are being distracted from....

As to the quote above I chose to reply to, you should read this member's threads and listen to what he/she has to say.....it's not doom porn, or any such thing, but well researched and presented and articulated.
When you first arrive here, however you came to find the site, you may be still in a state of "just going along, roll with the flow, so to speak," as I like to put it. However, the revelations after having studied, read and looked inward, can be quite revealing as to the true reality.
just sayin.
Great thread.
With respect,
Tetra50

And I fully plan on reading everything he posted! It is that important! I mainly wanted to be sure after he mentioned that [doom porn] is something I don't buy in to. We've seen these types. "The world is over! Super WW3 on steroids with aliens and comets! Ahhhh!" Oof. I'm about facts. Sure my instinct is important, but what about empirical data, truths learned over the years? I will mention that I specifically didn't add any "hard facts" to my thread on purpose. AT this point we all have an idea of what is going on, and it would be senseless to rehash things. I've felt this has been a terrific discussion, and The Gut brings up some excellent info for study.

Appreciate your point of view. This member will back up their assertions, in my experience, with plenty of reputable sources.

Having said that, I have experienced, many a time, on this site, giving reputable sources, even from the DoD, in order to illustrate a certain present agenda, and am still to this day arguing with certain members that what I assert in my own threads, no matter how I back it up, is taking place....


Appreciate your point of view, and will read anything you add as of this day, onward. Take care---this sentiment not being code for anything else, but meant as it is read--LOL....that's how we have to speak these days...
Respectfully,
Tetra50

reply to post by tetra50


Indeed, cheers. I have actually read some of the posts from The Gut in the year before becoming a member. Very well thought out and researched. Always impressed. I have noticed your name floating around there too, with very insightful points and thought provoking questions. The thing that always also impressed me was the general respect and dignity you two have for others. Very commendable.

JackSparrow17
reply to post by tetra50

 

Indeed, cheers. I have actually read some of the posts from The Gut in the year before becoming a member. Very well thought out and researched. Always impressed. I have noticed your name floating around there too, with very insightful points and thought provoking questions. The thing that always also impressed me was the general respect and dignity you two have for others. Very commendable.

As to your last statement, Mr. Sparrow......we must all conduct ourselves in this manner, if we have any hope as to our future. Some of realize this and attenuate our behavior to it, and some of us, alas, have yet to see that point....

We spend time here, hoping against hope, the species will not be judged by the behavior of a few.....if I may be so arrogant as to acknowledge that....
Respectfully,
Tetra

HEY! Good discussion going on here...lets pay it forward. That's what I'm talking about. Time we closed ranks and coagulated. Lots of good threads and thinking here at ATS....despite the noise. I agree they need to be parsed for accuracy, however. No doubt.

I knew I flagged this thread for the right reasons,...just needed to know we were moving in step, ya know?

Welcome aboard, JackSparrow, I appreciate your point and open mind. As Michael Buffer says, "Let's get ready to rumble!"...with those that would chain us



My "pen" is feeling froggy. Get you now. Glad we're on the same side.

The GUT
HEY! Good discussion going on here...lets pay it forward. That's what I'm talking about. Time we closed ranks and coagulated. Lots of good threads and thinking here. I agree they need to be parsed for accuracy, however. No doubt.

I knew I flagged this thread for the right reasons,...just needed to know we were moving in step, ya know?

Welcome aboard, JackSparrow, I appreciate your point and open mind. As Michael Buffer says, "Let's get ready to rumble!"...with those that would chain us

My "pen" is feeling froggy...

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Thanks, GUT. My mindset with this was simple: we have many active minds on ATS. Lots of smart people, willing to put their minds to use. I've seen enough from a year on the outside to know that are few here who scratch the surface, and only do so because they may have been making a point about something else entirely, but because they have such an inquisitive mind, they still touched on it. I have some homework, some reading to do, and then back to thinking...

reply to post by JackSparrow17

I think it's just a furthering of the Wolfowitz Doctrine. It's the next step and the linchpin to the Middle East conundrum. Syria fixes a lot of issues. Iranian nukes won't even be an issue, well except for when TPTB need them to be. Other than that, they get two pipelines - one for natural gas and one for oil - they put an economic squeeze on Russia and more than likely, consolidate the Middle East into some kind of union like the EU with Saudi Arabia taking the lead. Oh Europe get cheaper energy.

reply to post by Bilk22


Very interesting. The oil/gas thing has been in the back of mind for a while. Assad has sure been a thorn in someone's side, not allowing that pipeline, and all. I'll familiarize myself with the Wolfowitz doctrine. Good post.

reply to post by JackSparrow17


I think what they might be distracting us from is the fact that interest rates on 10-year treasury bonds have risen sharply lately. They were less than one percent and now they are closing toward 3 percent. Alot of economic analysts have warned to expect disaster when you see 10 year treasury bonds interest going up to pre recession levels, which they are starting to.

JackSparrow17
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Very interesting. The oil/gas thing has been in the back of mind for a while. Assad has sure been a thorn in someone's side, not allowing that pipeline, and all. I'll familiarize myself with the Wolfowitz doctrine. Good post.

Here's some reading............

www.stevequayle.com...

The debt ceiling is one issue that I can see Obama getting his knickers in a knot over. Deep down he may not like the idea of going to war, but considering just how much of the US economy is based on war his options are limited as there are no other viable options to help get the government accounts back in order. So on with the status quo and kicking the can down the road to the New America Century plan.

In part the economic mess is purposefully overly complex, like many scams are to hide the true intentions and deceptions, until it is too late.

reply to post by JackSparrow17


I think it does as the level of information that the NSA was collecting of both domestic and international communications along with the specific offices that were being focused on, I can see some very deep potential uses and ramifications for such data. Toss in the ever present revolving door and such a data collection could have widespread abuse just on a market or trade agreement level. That's not even considering what it could imply about our Congress and Executive branches within our government. The NSA is funded through the DoD and was originally a part of the military. Having the dirt on everyone can be very, very useful and, at the end of the day, our politicians are human. They're going to make mistakes. Look how quickly Elliot Spitzer got politically fried due to scandal after being extremely vocal about the Financial Crisis of 2007/8. Maybe that was the intended import of Snowden's statement that he could've even basically tapped the president. Got a foreign politician whose not liking the trade agreement but is diddling his secretary? Blackmail. Couple it with campaign donations for good behavior, it makes staying on the wielders' good side a much more comfortable place than going against the grain. If you had that sort of information, who would you be most interested in? The common public or those in positions of power?

kwakakev
In part the economic mess is purposefully overly complex, like many scams are to hide the true intentions and deceptions, until it is too late.

Exactly. The tax code is thousands of pages of nonsense that the common man has no hope of deciphering without seeing stones and a compass. Everything about our financial system is convoluted and hard to grasp for the uninitiated. Easy to pull the wool over the everyman.

WhiteAlice
reply to post by JackSparrow17

 

If you had that sort of information, who would you be most interested in? The common public or those in positions of power?

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Never thought about it that way. Maybe they want both? Maybe it's not a rather than issue. Like the ford commercials about "I'd rather have AND." Keeping tabs on those in power or those who can be problematic is indeed power, but so is knowing what your public is thinking and how they spend their money, time, and energy. Manipulation of all. Big and little.

JackSparrow17

WhiteAlice
reply to post by JackSparrow17

 

If you had that sort of information, who would you be most interested in? The common public or those in positions of power?

edit on 10/9/13 by WhiteAlice because: (no reason given)

Never thought about it that way. Maybe they want both? Maybe it's not a rather than issue. Like the ford commercials about "I'd rather have AND." Keeping tabs on those in power or those who can be problematic is indeed power, but so is knowing what your public is thinking and how they spend their money, time, and energy. Manipulation of all. Big and little.

Bingo. The Third Way. Look it up sometime and see what a former bank regulator had to say about it. Also, the last segment of the documentary, The Century of Self, also discusses the Third Way, its formation, who was behind it in both the US and UK, and etc. I think that, initially, it would've been most likely used as a general public interest study but that very likely changed in 2011 when, like many other countries around the world, the US started having large protests across the nation. Although those protests would have fall under First Amendment protections, there was a great deal of shenanigans going on and very large amounts of information, according to some FOIA requests that were made, being collected about the protests/protestors. Besides, our government has engaged in this kind of abuse of power during periods of heightened protests previously. IIrc, Mario Savio and Martin Luther King, Jr. were both subject to illegal surveillance and more, which basically launched the COINTELPRO hearings by the Church Committee in the 70's.

If you think about it, seeing that kind of perversion of the constitutional rights against political dissenters and journalists (them, too!) could have very well fueled the fire under Snowden's previously comfy chair.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Ah yes, the Third Way. Blurring the lines. Synthesis of both left and right ideals in order to appoease both sides. I've read about another form of Third Way; it concocts both the problem and the solution in order to get your way. It's a Fifth Column tactic I believe? The problem with reading so much is that it all starts to mush together.

reply to post by JackSparrow17


Agreed. Didn't have much time the other day but here's a couple links that discuss the Third Way for others. The Century of Self episode is a good one because it really clarifies what they have been doing in forming political responsiveness in the US government. It explains a whole lot and why the NSA surveillance could've very well been used to essentially create a "dashboard" of interest.

en.wikipedia.org...

watchdocumentary.org...

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Awesome point. I'll be sure to check those out!