Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

a reply to: matadoor

perhaps with a bigger field of view regarding the pic I suspect the dark areas (denoting a seriously impermeable substance) show horizontal spread past pressure vessel wall, containment and the concrete jacket. I note the right text explanation has a dark area to the side may be larger with text box covering over the area.
this thing is spread around reactor hall probably bonding as it spewed.
other than this am I missing something?
so I say that number2 had an atomic number two ass blast and spread the love in the hall.
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a reply to: fakedirt

Yeah, I see the same thing, was trying not to color the pic too much, but I think the "goo" has spread out a ton.

Yeah, I'm guessing that you didn't say anything that I wouldn't have said.

Oh look! Yea! ATS sent a mod into the Part 2 thread to finally tell us where the Part 1 thread is hiding. Right? Crickets.

Sits and waits...and waits...and waits.

Not a lot of credibility flowing...you know? Sad.

Peace to the fellow posters.

originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
Oh look! Yea! ATS sent a mod into the Part 2 thread to finally tell us where the Part 1 thread is hiding. Right? Crickets.

Sits and waits...and waits...and waits.

Not a lot of credibility flowing...you know? Sad.

Peace to the fellow posters.

All there is, is page one of part one, the next page button will just loop you back to page one of part one.

You could do a rummage here, the sidebar has links back to ATS in places.

icnoships.pelicanbill.com...
and here,
icnoships.pelicanbill.com...

Hey all - glad to see you're still here keeping awareness up about this disaster while the rest of the world has long forgotten about it.

Very sad that part 1 has gone walkies. That's all I have to say really.

Still, big thanks for all the info and effort you guys put in. One day the truth will out.

originally posted by: StonedSheep
Very sad that part 1 has gone walkies. That's all I have to say really.

Still, big thanks for all the info and effort you guys put in. One day the truth will out.

It is sad, very sad.

This thread has pretty much dried up it looks like since the general awareness that Part 1 was lost to the digital abyss (is it really gone forever?) began dawning upon those who watched this space.



One of the things discussed in the lost thread was of the aerosolization of the nuclear material due to the force of the explosion. Basically it was postulated that the particle size of the nuclear material would be roughly equivalent to smoke particles.

Particulate pollution in the past decade has been measured as PM10, that is particulate matter 10 microns in diameter or less, which is talcum powder size. Recently the focus has shifted to smaller diameter particles, PM2.5, which denotes all particles 2.5 microns and smaller (bacteria sized). These small sizes are thought to be more injurious because they are deeply respirable, becoming lodged in the farthest recesses of the lungs. Smoke from wood combustion is almost entirely in this range.

Particle Size

I had found a DoE study indicating that an explosion of roughly the size of a passenger airliner diving into a Nuclear Power plant would produce such particle sizes. The explosion which took place at the reactor 3 was roughly equivalent to a MOAB and was, I believe, thought to be an earthquake originally; I think TA, or one of the other ATS resident quaketards, may even have been able to track down the seismographic waveform; again all of this is data that was in the lost thread.

Here is a particle which is a little bit smaller than 5 microns in diameter that was found at the site:


In-situ removal and characterisation of uranium-containing particles from sediments surrounding the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant

Particles of this size are easily resuspended in the atmosphere and can be carried on the wind.

How would you like to inhale a uranium-containing particle small enough to be taken into your bloodstream?

Well thanks to Fukushima Daiichi, that's a possibility we all face.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

...and that is just the compression (AND over compression) aerosols ( ones formed in gas ( air) chemistry ) from the instantaneous (rapid)releases .

The continuous aquas releases of uranium through surface boiling that has given us the gift of over five years of sub-micron buckyballs as a new part of nature that are way smaller than 7 microns is also one of the things lost to "history" .

too bad no one saw it coming

a reply to: Silverlok

Those would be generated through galvanic transport would they not?

Iirc.

seems the ice wall has failed according to majiasblog. coupled with a refusal to encapsulate the entire site it seems ideas have currently dried up.
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Silverlok

Those would be generated through galvanic transport would they not?

Iirc.

...partially,it's a complex "multi-discipline" action wherein the surface boiling creates a catalyst ( peroxide/hydroxide ) air like bufferzone which pulls the uranium out of the corium and releases it into solution. Galvanic transport ( along with thermodynamics) happens within the corium blob to help move uranium to the interface surface and help it 'fold' into buckyballs at the catalyst/ water interface.

(p.s. I still have those pfd's of the DOE studies that you mention....in the study's anything below ten microns is considered an aerosol, though some industries consider anything below 17 microns to be aerosol. And they also did experiments on waste storage and transport being hit with shoulder fired rockets; results: 20 to 50 percent of the material becoming high altitude seeking aerosols.
So much lost with that first thread, and this one is buried under both the internet and ats loam pretty deep. good thing I missspell thingsthathelp search enginesfind it ;-) )

a reply to: fakedirt
I WOULDN'T SAY THE IDEA'S HAVE DRIED UP...though I would say the money has: www.zerohedge.com...; and : www.zerohedge.com... ,

when there are no resources available what pays for the day to day debt with the collusion of government, industry and banking as a nationalized unit ?

And more importantly: where is the money going to come from for the (first) Tourniquet needed at fuku? ( one of the worlds first patients that can bleed for centuries and not die), eh?

a reply to: Silverlok

Well said.

Maybe that's why they are trying to find that 197Au under 1-3. Interesting write up on Development of Nondestructive Assay to Fuel Debris of Fukushima Daiichi NPP ...

A little gold could help pay some bills. Maybe throw a little more mercury inside. Rumor has it, the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor (Qin Shi Huang) in China and also a chamber below the Pyramid of the Feathered Serpent at Teotihuacan, might have a surplus of mercury.

GE's wallet should be wide open. And a lot more.

So...given that a triple meltdown was in progress from the start, now admittedly covered up, what should the evacuation and emergency response protocols have been? How different was the response, because of the lies? How badly did the lies compound what was already catastrophic?

Your spelling....ain'tchanow. I get it.

Good to see you. It's been a minute.

a reply to: Silverlok

for clarity tepco ideas. I haven't found any contingencies suggested by the guardians of the downright dangerous deluge draining dedecontamination.
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Well, they ought to be hunkering down and getting ready for Lionrock:



By tomorrow evening, they should be getting the effects of this storm, in fact they likely already are in the outer bands.

China will experience some extra dosing from this due to the storm track.

originally posted by: fakedirt
a reply to: Silverlok

for clarity tepco ideas. I haven't found any contingencies suggested by the guardians of the downright dangerous deluge draining dedecontamination.
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because , for the entire industry/concept , practically, and historically there has never been any other plan than : " downright dangerous deluge draining dedecontamination "

( and as an aside; how does one pay for s 'hard core' hobby?)