Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

Offshore Seawater Rad Readings

Not much of an improvement. The last graphs, 4km and 15km show steady increase.

www.tepco.co.jp...

Just one hell of a sad mess.

- Purplechive

a reply to: zworld

That's exactly what is happening. I imagine that there is a calibration setting for the robot, like on any multimeter you can select a setting, X10, X100, X1000 kind of setting, and I bet they are switching that setting around, now the question is, which one is accurate?

a reply to: Purplechive

Good catch PC!!!

I don't remember if this has been posted or not. I know TFW posted alot of pics showing the bag situation, but this drone video blows my mind. I had no idea there was this much stuff bagged......and theyve only just begun. This is totally insane. TFW if you posted this before sorry for the repost, I missed it the first time around.

Especially when you get in the middle of this vid and see the endless black stretched into the horizon the effect is overwhelming.

www.truth-out.org...

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: zworld

That's exactly what is happening. I imagine that there is a calibration setting for the robot, like on any multimeter you can select a setting, X10, X100, X1000 kind of setting, and I bet they are switching that setting around, now the question is, which one is accurate?

There is one other possibility though slight. I don't have time to check right now, but on the bot 1 vid it jumps up to 24 Sv at one point. If that jump occurs at the same place that the 48 Sv jump occurs, it could be a place that is in communication with the corium.

I still believe that all the readings should be that high in that environment though, if not higher.

a reply to: zworld

Oh I agree, the readings should be well over 20 Sv/Hr throughout the entire interior, but also, the temps are no where near what they should be, if there is that much steam inside the containment, which it always appears to be.

There is only one way I can see the temps being low, and that's if the corium is so far beneath the RPV, but how it's still creating steam and the temps are staying low, is a real mystery to me.

Wait, if the water is being cycled through very quickly, steam could be generated, but new COLD water might keep the overall temps lower.

I am of the opinion that they have decided to set the radiation meter on the lowest setting on purpose. They know that 4.0 Sv/Hr means 40 Sv/Hr. Call it code, and if that's the case, the temp can be manipulated just as easily.

We have seen the readings change like that, not on the temp, but the radiation meter is definitely being changed.

a reply to: matadoor

Even with the introduction of cold water into the PCV I cant see how thousands of pounds of corium wouldn't heat that water to beyond boiling. And a cold water stream possibly wouldn't make any difference to PCV air temps (at least not what we are seeing) as it would instantly sink into the boiling water and the hot water would rise above with little instant mixing.

Another thing that I don't understand is TEPCOs statement that they were surprised by how low the temps were. They have been reporting for a long time that the PCV was in the 17C range. The low temps they have been posting for over a year were a lie, and the bot temps are a lie. Its all BS as far as Im concerned. And the level of scrpt writing tells me we are watching a high school play.

I'd think otherwise maybe if TEPCO hadn't shown a distinct pattern and practice of lying their asses off from day one. And checking the link below for the latest Unit 1 data shows that they are still pumping in more nitrogen into the Unit 1 PCV than 2 or 3, even though the levels of hydrogen are basically zero. Something weird going on. Also I wonder if the swirling we are seeing in the fog is being caused by nitrogen being pumped in.

www.tepco.co.jp...

a reply to: zworld

Z, note #4 from your link to the PDF, there is no nitrogen injection, blow up the notes at the very bottom.

"※4：Nitrogen gas injection is under suspension. "

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: zworld

Z, note #4 from your link to the PDF, there is no nitrogen injection, blow up the notes at the very bottom.

"※4：Nitrogen gas injection is under suspension. "

Good eye again M. Color me stupid. And I went back into pages I saved and its been suspended all this time. Spent a chunk of time trying to figure out why the were using N in 1 and it was for naught. Silly me.

Which then brings back the question why is the steam swirling around. If its blowback from reaching the top then that steam must be moving at a strong clip. One more indicator of a hot house environment.

a reply to: Purplechive

PC, check out this page and see if it makes sense, or compares to rads in the water. The C total was between the 40s and 400s until their last date of sampling on March 27 when it jumped to 3200.

www.tepco.co.jp...

originally posted by: zworld

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: zworld

Z, note #4 from your link to the PDF, there is no nitrogen injection, blow up the notes at the very bottom.

"※4：Nitrogen gas injection is under suspension. "

Good eye again M. Color me stupid. And I went back into pages I saved and its been suspended all this time. Spent a chunk of time trying to figure out why the were using N in 1 and it was for naught. Silly me.

Which then brings back the question why is the steam swirling around. If its blowback from reaching the top then that steam must be moving at a strong clip. One more indicator of a hot house environment.

NEVER silly. That's why we are crowd sourcing this one.

I am starting to consider the reason for the steam has something to do with the fact that it has to be WAY humid in there. I don't know enough about this subject to expand on that theory any further.

originally posted by: autopat51
i have been following this thread ,and the first one since the beginning.
and since im not as learned as some of you..sometimes i have to ask you to slow down for a second,
and let me catch up.
what exactly do these videos from the inside mean? in laymen terms..what are we seeing going on here?
sorry to slow you down but i really want to know and keep up.

Autopat, my apologies for not seeing this sooner, I just remembered that I saw this post and meant to come back to it.

Let me give you my thoughts, then the rest can chime in.

What you see in these videos, in a lot of cases, isn't matching up with the facts as being reported by Tepco.

1. In each of the videos, you can see steam swirling around. As the steam is swirling, the radiation readings are also fluctuating. That means the steam is definitely radioactive, and coming from the water below, most likely heated by the corium that is melted down "there" someplace.

2. Steam, as in liquid water vapor, is generally created as the water approaches boiling (100 degrees celsius) . Imagine you starting a pot of water on the stove. As the water increases in temp, steam will slowly rise from it. What we are seeing, though, isn't matching up with reality, at least not as I know it, I've never seen steam generated in an enclosed room with a hot core at the bottom, but the room always stays at or below 20C.

3. There are various forms of uranium and other melted metals on the various surfaces. These most likely came from the cores as they melted and fell into the reactor well below. As they melted, they would have broken off into various pieces as different sections melted before other parts did, so for instance, the one floor grate shows a very bright yellow substance all over the floor grate. Those grates also appear to be damaged by heat. When uranium melts, it does so around 1135C or so, but stainless steel has a melting point far higher than that, at around 1450C, so yes there will be uranium melted on the grates, because the fuel assemblies would have fallen all over the inside of the core as different parts melted.

4. The robots have sensors on them to read temp, and radiation levels. Each of these readings though are subject to their own reference points, which can be easily changed or manipulated, so most of the data we are looking at is most likely not very accurate.

Others, please chime in.

Here is the source for the videos, at least the last long one.

photo.tepco.co.jp...

Downloading it now, 184 meg, so this is the original for quality, poke around the site and see if we can find more.

originally posted by: matadoor
3. There are various forms of uranium and other melted metals on the various surfaces. These most likely came from the cores as they melted and fell into the reactor well below. As they melted, they would have broken off into various pieces as different sections melted before other parts did, so for instance, the one floor grate shows a very bright yellow substance all over the floor grate. Those grates also appear to be damaged by heat. When uranium melts, it does so around 1135C or so, but stainless steel has a melting point far higher than that, at around 1450C, so yes there will be uranium melted on the grates, because the fuel assemblies would have fallen all over the inside of the core as different parts melted.

There would still have to have been something that got the fuel into the PCV from the RPV and that would mean a hole or something in the RPV which is why I suspect an explosion or something that occurred in the RPV simultaneous to the upper floor hydrogen explosion. Thats just a guess though. As F has pointed out there are also bacterium (I think thats right) called extremeophiles that can exist in radiation up to 5000 Gy which I think equates to 5000 Sv or somewhere near that. But from the pictures ive seen of extremeophiles in action in places like yellowstone they tend to turn things more green blue, like the one shot from the 4/10 vid or 4/15 vid. But uranium also turns yellow/green so it could be either or neither, extremeophiles or uranium that has oxidized. TEPCO is trying to say its melted paint but that sounds ridiculous.

Thanks autopat51 for asking the question as I am in the same boat as you...
& thank you Matador & Z for the explanation as it has been along time
since I have been following...although I have been checking in every few
days to catch the news.
It's so sad how everything is so messed up & people still don't seem to
care or just ignore the problem because it's too great to handle since
NO one is actually trying to clean up.

Cheers
Ektar

I don't have answers but I do have a few points to add to the mix.

The oceans of the world are nowhere near boiling and yet they freely give off water vapor, that rises and becomes clouds. It is water vapor rather than steam and yet in a closed system they would be one and the same.

Your bathroom becomes steamed up when having a shower. The water is also nowhere near boiling and this is very much a closed system (Assuming you do not have an exhaust fan in operation).

More steam will be produced by a shower as apposed to a bath because the water from a shower is moving at speed while the bath water just sits there.

To see steam, does not require temps near boiling in a closed system.

Just adding these points to see if they help.

P

originally posted by: pheonix358
I don't have answers but I do have a few points to add to the mix.

The oceans of the world are nowhere near boiling and yet they freely give off water vapor, that rises and becomes clouds. It is water vapor rather than steam and yet in a closed system they would be one and the same.

Your bathroom becomes steamed up when having a shower. The water is also nowhere near boiling and this is very much a closed system (Assuming you do not have an exhaust fan in operation).

More steam will be produced by a shower as apposed to a bath because the water from a shower is moving at speed while the bath water just sits there.

To see steam, does not require temps near boiling in a closed system.

Just adding these points to see if they help.

P

They do, and you are correct.

My largest issue though is, where are the cores, are they close enough to be driving the steam, is this another effect of the circumstances?

I'd like to see some experts come forward and explain what we are seeing and why.

a reply to: pheonix358

Good point pheonix358. I see what you mean. Steam cant be used as an indicator of temperature.

ON EDIT: just came across this article. Best one Ive seen yet in alternative media; www.truth-out.org...

A Perpetual Crisis: Fukushima Four Years Later…

Meanwhile, off the Pacific coast, a strange phenomenon is occurring that I wrote about in my last Buzzflash-Truthout commentary. Scientists are mystified by the growing warm water called the “blob” that has radically altered the jet-stream, resulting in erratic weather patterns that could explain why Californians are facing the worst drought in history.

The obvious question that has been completely omitted from the research and reports is: Could the tons of radioactive water that TEPCO has been releasing into the Pacific Ocean since 2011 be the primary reason why this so-called mysterious “blob” was recently formed?

What I find astonishing is that there were three, possibly four, nuclear cataclysmic meltdowns that happened after Japan was hit by a massive earthquake and tsunami, and we’re all supposed to pretend that it’s over, no big deal. Just as corporate network weather reporters never talk about climate change in relation to extreme weather disasters, so too, no one remembers the terrifying fear about relying on nuclear power for energy:

Remember when everyone used to ask the question: Oh-my-gosh: What if there’s a meltdown?! (Listen to this video on Fukushima’s “China Syndrome”). We did not learn the answer to that question from Chernobyl and Three Mile Island (watch this NY Times video when the sirens went off).

Shockingly, even during the Fukushima meltdowns, as the power plants were exploding simultaneously, President Obama was still telling us that nuclear power plants are safe!

This is perhaps the biggest environmental crisis of our century, and yet, it is astonishing how Fukushima’s meltdowns and radioactive water that is being dumped into the Pacific have been hushed up, censored, and reduced to “confidential business information”. As Truthout editor, William Rivers Pitt, put it in his essay, Sick of Secrets, the public is not allowed to know how the industrial oligarchs are threatening our lives with their polluting forms of energy.

Whales and dolphins are dying by the hundreds, the radiation in tuna has tripled off the Pacific US coast, but we’re supposed to pretend that it’s a big mystery, right? No causal explanations. Dump tons of radioactive water into the Pacific—and pretend that nothing will happen.
Well here’s a flash: The public has the right to know if there is a causal link between the radioactive water and the creation of the “blob”. And if so, that radioactive “blob” that keeps growing off the Pacific is a “clear and present danger” to the United States, indeed to the entire continent.

According to a recent RT report, “The ‘Blob' in Pacific Ocean Might be to Blame for California Drought, Erratic US Weather – Studies. Japan has been and is still releasing tons of radioactive water into the Pacific.

So while BP’s oil catastrophe has been poisoning sea-life at all levels in the Gulf, Fukushima’s radiation is beingdetected up and down the western coasts from Juneau, Alaska to Baja, California.

Tuna tested in labs caught off the Pacific coasts, for example, are tainted with cancerous Cesium-134 and Cesium-137. According to several reports last year, radiation levels in tuna off Oregon’s coast tripled. Experts claim that the tuna are still safe to eat, but without further testing, how can they be sure?

As for California’s drought, in addition to the abnormal warming of sea temperatures, we’ve seen dramatic changes in the jet-stream climate patterns in the last few years that global warming, alone, cannot explain: for example, the rapid severity of these irregular changes in the Pacific atmosphere, and the timing of the “blob’s” development occurred after Japan began dumping tons of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean:

An unusual threat is looming off the Pacific coast of North America from Juneau in Alaska to Baja California. Now roughly 2000 kilometres wide and 100 metres deep, a mass of warm water that scientists are calling "the blob" has lingered off the coast for a year and a half and has set temperature records, with waters between 1 °C and 4 °C warmer than normal. Fresh research published in Geophysical Research Letters has examined the causes and impacts of this area of water, which has grown more recently.

The blob has changed water-circulation patterns, affected inland weather and reshuffled ecosystems at sea. Although scientists say the planet's warming oceans may not be responsible for the mysterious and long-lived anomaly, some see it as an early warning of changes that might be coming to the Pacific in the next few decades.

Why is this question so important for investigative scientists and journalists? If the “blob” is being caused from Fukushima’s radioactive water, what’s going to happen to that “blob” if Japan continues to release large amounts of radioactive water into the Pacific? Obviously, the warm water is going to grow hotter and bigger: If it keeps expanding, then will California’s drought expand to its neighboring western states? This is why it is a “clear and present danger” to the United States.

But let’s just turn a blind eye and pretend that it’s all just one big mystery, right? And I suppose that over 160 dolphins and about 50 melon-headed whales that washed ashore 50 miles from Fukushima’s border — is all a big mystery, too. In fact, here’s a whopper for you: one of Japan’s so-called experts said that the dolphins may be experiencing “psychological problems…”

Of course, there’s no causal link between boiling red hot toxic radioactive water and 150 dolphins that just suddenly washed ashore at various locations near Fukushima. They all decided to commit suicide.

This absurd explanation is not only offensive, it’s immoral and criminal. The public has a right to know why the international community is allowing Japan to poison the entire Pacific Ocean with tons of radioactive water.

originally posted by: matadoor

My largest issue though is, where are the cores, are they close enough to be driving the steam, is this another effect of the circumstances?

I'd like to see some experts come forward and explain what we are seeing and why.

Which is of course the main driver behind believing temps are way off. The steam or vapour may not be an indicator, but the mass of corium that is still running at hundreds of C is. And I cant see how it wouldnt be in communication with the water they are pumping into the RPV, even if it was deep in the earth. The only caveat at that point is that it may be deep enough to be in the groundwater that the heating is limited.

But seing as how in 2013 and 2014 TEPCO was saying that the occassional steam seen rising from unit 3 was caused by rainwater hitting the outside of the PCV and that it was steaming off from there because the outside of the PCV was that hot, the inside must be way hotter. (Of course that was probably a typical TEPCO BS excuse to hide steam coming out of the PCV).

The bottomline is that we may never know the truth, just like all the other data TEPCO has fed us. As long as independent testing is not allowed we will be at their mercy. And I too would love to see a nuclear engineer come forward and explain their take on what is happening inside the PCV.

I think the real questions are, "Does Tepco know what is going on?" and "Does Tepco want to know what is going on."

I believe the answers are "No"

The ability for Tepco and Japan to be sued in the world court is why we have no reliable information. It seems they are waiting for the Corium to sink into the crust, deep enough to no longer be a problem. How long that would take is anyone's guess.

No one has experience with this, it is new territory. They have no solution so they feed us on lies and half truths making sure they do not give away any information that could be used to sue them.

P