BUSTED: Summertime Chemtra, errr "Lingering Contrails"

Originally posted by samkent
No chemtrailer has ever successfully explained why chemtrails are always the same color as nearby clouds.

Well, they make them that way on purpose so the sheeple won't notice. Duh!



(and in case people don't get the smiley, yes, that is a joke)

I don't understand this. I said I have just never seen it before, and belief me I have seen a lot of vapour trails in my time. I was talking about 'horizon to horizon', so that's twenty times two, 40 miles by your mathematics. Why any aeroplane would want to weave in such a way is beyond me. Have never seen that before
Oh, and... A-ha!! Just what I was looking for! I opened the new edition of Nexus magazine today to see the letters from the editor, one of which is from an author in London who says with alarm that he has seen these trails - in his location, 35-45 miles from me, they start in the morning, but crucially he notes in his short letter the same things as I do: the aeroplanes aren't going from A to B on a normal course.
(He witnesses a criss-cross pattern, which I didn't see here.)

reply to post by BoredCollie


Yes they are. They're travelling on established jetways. When you see them leaving contrails they're not going to airports anywhere near you, so how do you know they're not going from point A to point B? Where's their destination at? That bend could be for anything from traffic avoidance, to having to avoid military use airspace. There are about 20 reasons for a bend like that.

As for the criss-cross pattern, look at how jetways go, and how much air traffic there is, and then explain how you're NOT going to see a criss cross like that.

reply to post by Zaphod58


You miss the point. I have simply never seen any such thing before, even though I have lived all my four-plus decades of life spent within a radius of 45-50 miles (and at different locations - some north, some south) of what is (or certainly was) the busiest airport in the world (Heathrow), and spent my first 20 years within about 15 miles of another international airport; and within about 10-15 miles of a domestic-flights airport. Making this strange snaking path (not just one bend) as it goes from one horizon to the other is really strange. Vapour trails always used to be straight and not substantially long.

Anyhow, all I am looking for is opinions. Has anyone else got anything to offer?
The photo again:
www.flickr.com...
Please make sure you make it clear that you're replying specifically to me, if such you are. I haven't got the hang of this forum yet.

Originally posted by WonderBoi
To my understanding, lingering contrails don't occur during summer.

Your understanding is wrong

Is it possible that the temperature, at flight level, is -40 degrees, when it's been 90+ degrees on the ground, for the past few days?

Yes.

See, for example:

Today's sounding for Midland, Texas

(picked purely at random - I'm sure better examples can be found)

Temp variation from +21.8c near ground level to -39c at 10,000ft

Originally posted by TheMagus
I'll grant you "debunkers" this much
you've never provided proof or evidence of your fulminant doctrinal assertions
[uncinus's, and any other of your blogs doesn't cut it...]
we must simply accept them [and your self-perceived superiority] on FAITH.

And here you are, with a few drive by idiotic replies with nothing to add. Are you like the King of the trolls or what?

You continuously try to trash contrailscience, but when you are given the opportunity to use fact to back up your large mouth, you fall strangely silent.

So here is how it works when the adults talk, if you want to reject someone's opinion, bring something other than the full diaper and badly needed nap time attitude. Bring some FACTS or don't bother the grown ups.

Prove something, anything is inaccurate on that site.

reply to post by WonderBoi

Really? Ya don't say? I too, can make a picture look like an "old" picture.

That does seem to be something your good at...posting pictures of contrails.

reply to post by BoredCollie


An aircraft producing a contrail like that is obviously at high altitude and not travelling to/from any local airport.

That it changes direction is as odd as water being wet. Aircraft do not fly in absolute direct lines from airport to airport. They change direction, slightly, through the course of their flight, as can be seen in your photo.

I often see much more accute changes in direction over central England.

reply to post by BoredCollie


You haven't seen them because there are more of them now than there ever were. The new high bypsass turbofans leave a lot more persistent contrails than ever. They leave contrails in conditions that older engines can't, as evidenced by the picture of the A380 (I think it was) next to a 707. The 707 is flying along nicely, no contrail, while within a few hundred feet of it, at the exact same altitude, the Airbus is leaving a nice thick long lasting contrail behind it. As technology changes things like contrail production change with it.

reply to post by BoredCollie

Why any aeroplane would want to weave in such a way is beyond me. Have never seen that before

This may help you to understand what you saw and why....

contrailscience.com...

reply to post by network dude

Prove something, anything is inaccurate on that site.

That is something that cannot be done, especially if your chemtrail believer.

Here's a couple of pics i JUST TOOK. What's the difference between yesterday and today? Why aren't these trails "lingering"?

Check Page 56, in your debunking handbook. It should answer my questions. I'm sure.

reply to post by WonderBoi


Keep up with me here. The. Front. Moved. Through.

reply to post by WonderBoi


did it rain last night?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

Keep up with me here. The. Front. Moved. Through.

Why don't you try keeping up. This "front", you speak of, didn't move from West to East, like you keep insisting. So, how could it have Moved. Through. You telling me, the storm went into the ocean?

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

did it rain last night?

Nope. Was it supposed to? Whatever they seeded yesterday, will be felt in a few days, throughout the midwest-east coast. i'm guessing lots of rain?

Originally posted by WonderBoi
Here's a couple of pics i JUST TOOK. What's the difference between yesterday and today?

Why aren't these trails "lingering"?

Check Page 56, in your debunking handbook. It should answer my questions. I'm sure.

I am going to go out on a huge limb here and say, .........the conditions at 30,000 have changed.
It's called weather. Look into it.

Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

Keep up with me here. The. Front. Moved. Through.

Why don't you try keeping up. This "front", you speak of, didn't move from West to East, like you keep insisting. So, how could it have Moved. Through. You telling me, the storm went into the ocean?

Why don't you understand the difference between a "front" and "the weather"?

At least part of a storm can move one way while "the weather" moves another - half of a hurricane is ALWAYS moving in the opposite direction to "the weather".

You keep harping (sic) on about this as if it were somehow important, despite it having been explained to you many times.

At this point I conclude that you are a troll.

Either you know you are posting drivel but are doing so for the loll's or the bite. Or you are seriously deficient in reasoning ability and you truly do not understand why you are wrong.

Either way it is not a good reflection upon you.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by TheMagus
I'll grant you "debunkers" this much
you've never provided proof or evidence of your fulminant doctrinal assertions
[uncinus's, and any other of your blogs doesn't cut it...]
we must simply accept them [and your self-perceived superiority] on FAITH.

And here you are, with a few drive by idiotic replies with nothing to add. Are you like the King of the trolls or what?

You continuously try to trash contrailscience, but when you are given the opportunity to use fact to back up your large mouth, you fall strangely silent.

So here is how it works when the adults talk, if you want to reject someone's opinion, bring something other than the full diaper and badly needed nap time attitude. Bring some FACTS or don't bother the grown ups.

Prove something, anything is inaccurate on that site.

And where are your "facts"? I see nothing but rude comments, from you. You talking about diapers and nap time, sportin' an avatar of a baby? That's RICH! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Facts are facts are facts are facts. But ATS still remains a CONSPIRACY SITE. Facts are not needed for conspiracies. If you want "facts" go to www.popularscience dot com.

reply to post by WonderBoi


well, since you won't post your location, nobody will ever know. Here on the East coast of the US it rained last night. And the front looked like what you posted yesterday. So you live in an anomaly. A strange place where weather skirts around you. Congratulations.

Look, if you want to believe in chemtrails, bigfoot, pixies and fairy dust, go nuts, but if you come to a forum concerning contrails and weather, and you refuse to even try to comprehend the information those who would seek to answer your questions, I kind of need to question your motives. The information give here can be checked from may different unbiased sources. Persistent contrails precede a frontal system. (usually) After a frontal system has moved through, (like the gigantic system that just moved from northwest to southeast) you might expect a few days of clear skies.

BTW, the frontal system I speak of is easily verified by using the magic Google machine. Try it out. It's not just for porn.