***Breaking*** US backed Al-CIAeda member, Abdola al-Jaledi, admits chemical weapon use in Syria.

Originally posted by SajeevJino
again and again ..here everyone saw what happens on the Chemical attack

and Please don't tell me these all are done by Rebels

Does they have this much of Nerve gas

It's clear that assad was behind this attack

Nonsense!

There is a reason why the Obama Administration...and Hillary Clinton have handled what happened in Benghazi, Libya the way they did....with no investigation to speak of.

More than just 400 shoulder fired missiles were provided to the Turkish PM intended for the Syrian opposition and Muslim Brotherhood that night.

There is NO reason for Assad to use chemicals on his own people. He was winning. And the Russians have his back.

This attack was accelerated when the Egyptian military removed Morsi and rounded up the Muslim Brotherhood....Obama's cheerleader..

Stop reading the mainstream media and look elsewhere. They are NOT your friend.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by SajeevJino

 

Well, apparently it only took a handful of rockets to unleash this amount, also the rebels have sacked/taken over many Assad bases.
There's no reason they couldnt have acquired these weapons.
Also, the rebels have been caught in Turkey with the stuff:

rt.com...

Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.
The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

so id say it is very possible!

This further cements the validity of reports that the Turkish Ambassador just had a face to face at the Benghazi 'counsulate' (arms warehouse) to facilitate the transfer of arms and weapons to Turkey for route to the Syrian opposition (Muslim Brotherhood and other assorted Boogeymen.

Folks, think logically about strategy not mere tactics over this affair.
What in the world would Assad gain by ordering a gas attack as the UN investigation team was on its way?
The only explanation of that would be a maverick military group that committed the act outside of his orders.
But it that were the case, we should be hearing of a purge of those officers very soon.

He had absolutely nothing to gain. After all, was that such an overwhelming gas attack that it gave him a strategic advantage on the rebels? Hardly, There simply is not justifiable reason Assad would order such an attack.

Stop thinking that Assad is a stupido like that short, fat kid in North Korea. Assad has shown that he is no fool.
As has been mentioned here directly and indirectly, the instigator of this act figured that (despite the costs of lives) that they had something to gain by killing innocent civilians. It was a political move, not a military action. Who would that be? Would some of our "friends" in the region stoop so low? Is there a pattern of such actions?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I feel sorry for Assad.
I don't doubt it was the Rebels, its the logical scenario. But it doesn't matter, Assad is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
The west (US, Israel, UK and Saudi) chose there team a long time ago. Those 4 are more than enough to destroy Assad. Start looking for terrorist bombs in Iran going off to bog them down domestically.

Assad knows if he lets the inspectors in, Israel has enough clout there to make them point the finger at Assad.
The US and UK are using the media, look how biased it is. Even though there's no proof either way, its always pointing the blame at Assad and worse, they now demand he proves his innocence.

its all %(!(%^*! up beyond any kind of recognition, this is even worse than Bush and his side show in Iraq because Syria really will drag in other regional powers.

My guess, the US and UK will send cruise missiles into the base that the Israeli's recently said launched the attack. They will level it.

Syria may respond with a couple of anti ship missiles and Iran will let off a couple of car bombs in Tel Aviv & Iraq.
This, will be the point that cooler heads prevail or all hell breaks loose.

edit on 25-8-2013 by Agit8dChop because: (no reason given)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Many Syrian Civilians DON'T like Assad.

What the US gains from this. Is crippling the reinforcments and other nefarious agents coming out of the middle east who are causing terrorist attacks and political issues.

I got a sense that Syria was somehow involved in the events that happened in Egypt. Be it that there are forces working with a seperate agenda Trying to take Egypt and claim it as an Islam state. That didn't work out as planned. So Maybe the chemical attack was their second choice. Subdue and take over Damascus.

Maybe they hoped they wouldn't gain any attention from this, Since other horrible attrocities have been done yet the UN us did not step in. They step in now why? Because it will cripple the underground religious extremeists who want blow up every holy sight they see.

They came very close to achieving their goals until the unpresidented Morsi was Overthrown. This put a halt on their expansion plans and that made them very very angry. Probably why we saw so much Opposition in Egypt with the Muslims and the citizens of Egypt.

In Islam the prophet is God. His word is Law. So You gotta wonder. Can't blame this all on the US the story is to disattached. But as for the events leading up to it. I would step my foot in this too because what Happened in Egypt really pisses me off. Islam has no right, No right in Heaven on Earth. To set their feet on that holy sand and claim it is theirs.

Now this action in Syria will probably wipe that smug look of those Religious fanatics faces.

I'm mainly posting so it will be easier to follow updates on this, but my immediate thoughts are its fishy. This guy defected from one group to another group, both associated with al Qaeda. A group of colleagues did this and he wants to now tell, using twitter to do so, but wants to remain anonymous. Syria, running its own investigation intercepts calls to help substantiate all of this.

Has his conscious gotten to him? I'm not sure what he would gain by spilling all of this. If he's going to tell it does little good without evidence. Otherwise all possibilities have to be considered (a hoaxer, being forced to say these things, a distraction from Assad, or true). Someone will track the twitter account and find out. In the meanwhile if its true this person needs to secure proof of this, arrange for its immediate release to many sources, and hide.

Originally posted by SajeevJino
again and again ..here everyone saw what happens on the Chemical attack

and Please don't tell me these all are done by Rebels

Does they have this much of Nerve gas

It's clear that assad was behind this attack

Why would Assad do that - he knows the use of any kind of WMD would automatically trigger a "Shock-and-Awe" type cruise missile bombing and send his country back to the stone age.

But once the communication systems are wrecked, government buildings have more holes in them than Swiss cheese and the roads have more craters in them than the dark side of the Moon, all the American construction and communication companies can come swanning in for the reconstruction contracts. Naturally, of course, they will be paid for by a deposit of gold bars in return for reconstruction loans. Then Syria is enslaved into the world banking system.

Hi Guys, Haven't read any of this thread want to post this first. I can't make a new thread.
I joined to post this.

Mail Online Article published 29th Jan 2013.

Deleted Daily Mail Online Article: “US Backed Plan for Chemical Weapon Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad”

G L Article

Infowars wrote an article Jan 28th

Jan 28 Infowars

I am in Australia but managed to get through to the Alex Jones Show and brought it to their attention.

I saw it on a youtube clip here Youtube

I also called Brian Wiltshire on 2gb and he spun out. Loved it. Said this was very big News.

Hope the links work

Thanks..

Dave

reply to post by gladtobehere

Al-CIAeda is so disgusted with the attack, even they're speaking ou

People really do need to stop using this term.

Al-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə/ al-KY-də; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base" and alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida) is a global militant Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden in Peshawar, Pakistan,[19] at some point between August 1988[20] and late 1989

AQ

Some financing for al-Qaeda in the 1990s came from the personal wealth of Osama bin Laden.[63] By 2001 Afghanistan had become politically complex and mired. With many financial sources for al-Qaeda, Bin Laden's financing role may have become comparatively minor. Sources in 2001 could also have included Jamaa Al-Islamiyya and Islamic Jihad, both associated with Afghan-based Egyptians.[64] Other sources of income in 2001 included the heroin trade and donations from supporters in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries.[63] A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[65]

The correct term would be Saudi's GIPeda.

The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores.

"The Saudis have been remarkably upfront and aggressive about Syria. They haven't been this open about supporting and army an opposition force since Afghanistan.

Saudi's GIP

I know the US, and the CIA are the favorite scapegoats on here,but needs to stop perpetuating that myth.

Bin Laden created AQ, Saudi is the primary financier, the US get's all the blame.

reply to post by gladtobehere

al CIA-duh. They've been behind the Syrian uprising all the way along and have been involved in the worst atrocities, including 9/11.

And what have they accomplished in regards to halting the spread of radical, militant Islam when al Qaeda is their own puppet?

It's a sick sick world where the "good guys" play both sides of the fence against the middle.

Originally posted by SajeevJino
again and again ..here everyone saw what happens on the Chemical attack

and Please don't tell me these all are done by Rebels

Does they have this much of Nerve gas

It's clear that assad was behind this attack

No its not clear, Israel could well have fired the missiles.
Do you have proof one way or another?
Pause...





Didnt think so.

Originally posted by neo96


The correct term would be Saudi's GIPeda.



I know the US, and the CIA are the favorite scapegoats on here,but needs to stop perpetuating that myth.

Bin Laden created AQ, Saudi is the primary financier, the US get's all the blame.

edit on 26-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Oh thats right, I didnt realise that US, UK, Israel and Saudi Arabia WERE NOT allies and working TOGETHER.
They are all linked through the Carlisle Group.

The CIA links to the encouragement of fundamentalist Islam is well documented and not really up for debate.
Using Pakistans ISI as a conduit.

The SAS's links to terrorism in Iraq wee made pretty clear with the capture of the SAS troops disguised as arabs with a sh*tload of explosives. The same SAS guys that were then rescued from the police station they were held at.

Israels links to using Hamas as an agent provocateur were also pretty well established.

So really it aint no myth, and it aint no mystery. There are enough facts out there to show its true,

I'm smelling Israeli involvement here..makes perfect sense!
American backed Intervention in Syria , then Iran...Leaves Israel free of it's main
enemies...
It's so complicated , Suffice to say this a Zionist plot.

in My opinion!

Whether the US military industrial complex is directly to blame or not is almost irrelevant. Because at the root cause of all these problems is the US or it's allies, like Saudi Arabia, acting on it's behalf and with it's approval.

It certainly is an octopus, with sprawling arms wrapped all over the globe. Whether the United States government officially created and on paper established al-Qaeda is beside the point when taking it all in context. Radical Islam and specifically bin Laden and al-Qaeda have helped tremendously in the goals of spending defense money, buying and using weapons, invading countries, taking away our civil liberties, grabbing hold of natural resources, etc. They are a present wrapped with a great big bow.

To get into the details, such as another poster mentioned the links between the bin Laden family and the Bushes particularly through the Carlyle Group and their business interests, is just another added layer. One should be aware of the details of course, but the context and bigger picture must be kept in mind. There is a global chess match being played out and one side happens to reside in the West, situated atop the national security state of the US government. That sprawling octopus made up of an incestual relationship between the State, business, media, and banking has many tentacles and a lot of influence. Funding the creation and distribution of radicalized versions of Qurans and textbooks throughout Middle Eastern countries is just the tip of the iceberg. Through the US governments actions, they have created perpetual terrorism. A generation of people born into war zones, watching their loved ones die horrible deaths, looking for people to blame.

In my humble opinion, the direct top is still directed, however subtly. But there is no need to have complete control of the group. They'll always be there, they've made sure of it, and they are easily manipulated. Hell, look at the Syrian "rebels". They have the backing of our government. And you can guarantee a whole lot more. They're a tool being used to achieve an objective. Nothing more, nothing less. And they will be tossed aside at some point, or on the other end of our governments missiles.

Also, I wish I could go into it more (though it would take days), but the history of US covert actions and low intensity conflicts specifically in regards to the intelligence services and the CIA in particular is a dark and sketchy account. I wouldn't put anything past them and their MO is deception. They are known for recruiting natives or people who look and speak like "the enemy" in order to infiltrate their adversaries more easily. But this also allows for a whole range of possibilities that are scary to contemplate. It's not hard to create a pretext for war when you have at your disposal agents who look like the "enemy" looks. I've studied the CIA and their known actions for many years and if I've learned 2 things, they are this: there are two distinct CIAs. The public one, and the private one. And also, the end justifies the means with these people. They'll do whatever is necessary to achieve their objective. Currently, that's throwing Bashar al-Assad out of power.

No, it was the Americans, or the British, or South Africa, or Brazil ..... or maybe Iceland (who we all know secretly runs the world)

Yes, this is a cynical take on ATS's paranoia

Originally posted by Swills
There's an avenue I never thought of, an Al Nursa member coming out & confessing to the attacks as of late, a confession that if taken seriously & true could blow this whole thing wide open. Just imagine the implications because it won't just end with the chemical attacks.

This is all very interesting & I hope that twitter feed isn't a fake cuz we've been prey to hoax accounts before. I will be following this thread.

It's twitter... lol.

It's highly unlikely that any Western nation is behind this current chemical weapons debacle, least of all the United States. I'm hard pressed to think of a time when covert action has been utilized in this manner; that is, as a prelude for direct action. Certainly clandestine operations, such as increasing news coverage and the deployment of games and television shows for propaganda, are regularly utilized to drum up support that will allow Western governments to formally declare war. But the government putting together a highly expensive covert operation of this scale just so it can follow up with an even more expensive direct action intervention makes little sense. Perhaps if there is absolutely no other way, but with the flexibility the American President has in deploying troops and the past effectiveness of propaganda, I highly doubt other, less expensive options would not be explored in lieu of such a complex scenario. That being said, the question of who did utilize the chemical weapons is still an interesting one.

If we accept that the chemical weapons incident from earlier this year actually occurred, regardless of who utilized the weapons then (it is more likely that this earlier attack was done by the rebels), the fact that western intervention has yet to follow makes it unlikely the rebels would try this same tactic again. There is no reason to believe that the West would intervene now when it didn't before, and every subsequent usage of chemical weapons would still serve to weaken their army's morale and deplete their manpower (as no doubt many soldiers would leave the fight upon learning their family members are dead). Meanwhile, Assad's position is strengthened by the usage of chemical weapons, if only minutely. It's true that the potential for Western intervention may have deterred the regime from using chemical weapons before, but now that the regime has seen the West is reluctant to intervene, there's literally nothing to lose. But of course, we could also be dealing with infighting between the rebels, with each group now confident enough that it can take on Assad's regime alone, and the chemical weapon being used on the instigating group's rival. This is the least likely scenario by a longshot, given that even the stupidest rebel force leader should realize that the enemy of their enemy is their ally. At least until Assad is toppled. But given how fractured the leadership is, it wouldn't be surprising to discover that one leader or another is too stupid/insane to realize the ramifications of using chemical weapons.

reply to post by GD21D

You don't become the leader of the most powerful country in the world by being an idiot, even if the position is nothing more than a window dressing for democracy.

Does anyone really believe that Ol' Dubya could run a McDonalds? Let alone the executive branch of the US government? The man could barely make an understandable sentence.

Obama has to have some powerful friends. The man went from being a nobody, to being a Senator, to being the President in only 8 years. That's impossible to do without some big money backing you. The longer I live to see it, the more I believe that the President is just there for people to get mad at and blame the country's problems on. The real powermongers stay hidden behind the scenes and nobody gets mad about anything unless the news tells them to. The last week or so, I've heard so many people say things like, "Have you seen what's going on in Syria? It's so terrible!" Like it just started or something. They just think it has because the news has recently been running alot of stories on Syria and how evil the regime there is to slime their own citizens.

I don't care why Obama has resisted involvement in the Syrian conflict. I only care that this specific position aligns with my own ideals. Therefor, I would continue to support his resistance, regardless of what I personally think of him or his other policies.

I wonder though, does Obama really want to stay out of Syria? Or does he just want people to THINK that's what he wants. With his track record I would say the latter. My .02 anyways.

Originally posted by Aliensun
Folks, think logically about strategy not mere tactics over this affair.
What in the world would Assad gain by ordering a gas attack as the UN investigation team was on its way?
The only explanation of that would be a maverick military group that committed the act outside of his orders.
But it that were the case, we should be hearing of a purge of those officers very soon.

He had absolutely nothing to gain. After all, was that such an overwhelming gas attack that it gave him a strategic advantage on the rebels? Hardly, There simply is not justifiable reason Assad would order such an attack.

Oh yea, letting the rebels know you will gas their ass, giving them a taste, could very well cool their heals a bit. Lots to gain there.

Now if you mean what does he have to gain elsewhere, maybe he doesn't care about what he gains elsewhere. That is with the US ect. If he had been worried about that he wouldn't be allowing Hezbollah do what it does, but he does because that's his game. He wouldn't be in bed so deep with Iran. ect ect. I could go on all day.

At any rate that's about the extent of his political motivation. Nothing really complex here just your good ol clinging to power 2,4,6. No complex political posturing here.

Originally posted by Logarock


Oh yea, letting the rebels know you will gas their ass, giving them a taste, could very well cool their heals a bit. Lots to gain there.

Now if you mean what does he have to gain elsewhere, maybe he doesn't care about what he gains elsewhere. That is with the US ect. If he had been worried about that he wouldn't be allowing Hezbollah do what it does, but he does because that's his game. He wouldn't be in bed so deep with Iran. ect ect. I could go on all day.

At any rate that's about the extent of his political motivation. Nothing really complex here just your good ol clinging to power 2,4,6. No complex political posturing here.

Because the bullets and shells and missiles killing them doesnt already send the same message?
Weapons are weapons, they kill people regardless of whether they are conventional, biological, chemical or nuclear.

I wonder which nation possesses the most chemical and biological warfare agents, I might have to do a little study on that right there. I put my money on the USA or Russia or maybe Britain, Syria would definitely not be in the running.

Its called the Department of Defense for a reason, its not the Department of Oppression or the Department of World Policing.

This is a lose lose conflict, destroying the infrastructure of Assads regime hands victory to fanatics, cannibals, and very unsavoury characters who as soon as the power vaccuum is ready to be filled, will no doubt be fighting among themselves.

Western intervention in yet another sovereign country will not help the civilians.
The biggest alarm bell of any propaganda campaign is when they roll out the child victims as justification for our own intervention. Didnt the princess acting as a nurse at the hospital where kids were "thrown out of their cots and left on the floor" fabrication that was a pretext to US intervention in Kuwait teach us anything?

Obviously not.

We have no proof of Assads involvement in using chemical weapons against his own people, but yet the same politicians that are totally incapable of any truth claim he is responsible.
Now that tells me that they are not only pathological lying psychopathic egomaniacs, but they are now also endowed with psychic abilities that us mere mortals can only dream of ever possessing.

Or they could just be true to form, in telling a whole lot of lies.

As for Assad being "in bed" with Iran. Since when was that a criminal offence?
Isnt Russia and China also "in bed" with Iran?

Its no secret the US and UK economies are in the toilet, with pension obligations that cannot be kept due to the governments spending of the peoples pensions. How do you solve a problem like that?

Whip up the world into a religious war that will see millions dead as a result.

Once the hornets nest that we keep poking starts attacking back, maybe the reality will hit HOME.

But will it really only take the deaths of our own civilians before we realise the folly of trying to create a world based on the seriously flawed ideologies of a few very rich and powerful people that are so disconnected from reality it should be illegal from them to make decisions for everyone else that lives in the real world?


Heres some food for thought..

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...