NRA created secret gun database on millions of gun owners

LMFAO

So wait, the Government wants to do this and you all get up in arms....

The NRA does it and you all just nod and say "Well yea, cool."

Really?

Let me just ask a simple hypothetical question here...

If the NRA supports Republican presidents and our next President is Republican then doesn't it stand to reason that said President will have access to said Registry?

Seriously....if Obama was in anyway connected to this you all would be pitching a fit but LaPierre does it and you are all just fine with it.

Talk about irony.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


It does not matter as someone who signs up for an NRA newsletter or information does not necessarily even own a gun. Those records are completely worthless to the federal government as they may go door to door looking for an ak and get greeted with a 50 cal.

Any records the nrA has is for its customer base at best.

The purpose of having a gun registry is knowing exactly WHO OWNS WHAT.

Originally posted by Thorneblood
LMFAO

So wait, the Government wants to do this and you all get up in arms....

The NRA does it and you all just nod and say "Well yea, cool."

Really?

Lets stop right there and ask the question that would quash or explode this argument --

How do you know that these people have not willingly agreed to allow the NRA to keep their data? That is a huge difference and if you don't recognize that, I am not sure what to think.

Talk about irony.

Indeed especially when someone doesn't understand the usage of irony.

reply to post by Thorneblood


So apparently you don't understand English.

A mailing list does not make a gun registry.

Originally posted by txinfidel
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

It does not matter as someone who signs up for an NRA newsletter or information does not necessarily even own a gun. Those records are completely worthless to the federal government as they may go door to door looking for an ak and get greeted with a 50 cal.

Any records the nrA has is for its customer base at best.

The purpose of having a gun registry is knowing exactly WHO OWNS WHAT.

What or who are you arguing against here? My point was that there is a big difference between a State mandated registry and that of a private entity; who has obtain consent (if we are to assume such).

reply to post by ownbestenemy


And my point was neither the NRA or the Feds have a registry.

The only way to get one is to confiscate records of firearms dealers and not just some of them, ALL OF THEM.

You're right there's no argument to be had here.

Did anyone actually read the article?

Buzzfeed reports that the NRA has been secretly collecting information from registered members and non-registered gun owners for years. Much of this data is apparently collected at gun safety courses taught by NRA-certified instructors. The data collection even extends to attendees at gun shows and gun magazine subscribers, according to the report.

Why bother creating such a database? Jon Bond, co-founder of the ad firm Kirshenbaum Bond and Partners, told Buzzfeed it gives the NRA serious political clout by allowing them to reach out to audiences outside its own network and modify its messaging accordingly.

That database has been built through years of acquiring gun permit registration lists from state and county offices, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructors and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines, and more, BuzzFeed has learned.
The result: a big data powerhouse that deploys the same high-tech tactics all year round that the vaunted Obama campaign used to win two presidential elections.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam declined to discuss the group’s name-gathering methods or what it does with its vast pool of data about millions of non-member gun owners. Asked what becomes of the class rosters for safety classes when instructors turn them in, he replied, “That’s not any of your business.”

Registered owners and Non registered gun owners....
Data collected at gun safety courses, by instructors that extends to gun shows and gun magazine subscribers.
All so they can tailor their message to feed people the best and most profitable propaganda.
None of you are bothered by it.

They are literally spying on millions of Americans, in many cases without their express knowledge and feeding this information to a powerful organization that has always had ties to the TPTB and none of you care? At all....

How ass backwards is that....the OP is right. If Obama had a part in this there would be blood in the streets.
The NSA hacks into every computer and email in the world, of course they would do it to the NRA but no one cares about their right to privacy where this is concerned.



And you call Liberals idiots.

reply to post by Thorneblood


The only reason for having a gun registry is to know exactly what types of firearms individuals have and how many they have.

It's not rocket science and you will not outsmart conservatives with this kind of logic.

Originally posted by txinfidel
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

And my point was neither the NRA or the Feds have a registry.

The only way to get one is to confiscate records of firearms dealers and not just some of them, ALL OF THEM.

You're right there's no argument to be had here.

That isn't the only way. If people wish to designate their firearms (or lack thereof) willfully and with consent, as this article and/or blog post is suggesting -- that should be noted. Freely, if the people attending shows want to offer information on their own it is immensely different than the Government forcing owners (and by association, non-owners) into a list/

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Yeah but even if you hacked the records of the NRA you would not be able to determine who owns what and if they started a gun confiscation program on that logic they would fail miserably and kill many unarmed civilians.

The USPO is the one keeping records most likely. I mean they know what you buy, what kind of mail you get. If you buy anything that company sends you thousands of flyers and offers, magazines and the like. My Grandpa was ALL American, Loved the NRA and yet even he was disappointed in the past election that they did not stand behind the ONLY candidate who stood for what the NRA once did. It's all crazy nowadays.

Originally posted by txinfidel
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

Yeah but even if you hacked the records of the NRA you would not be able to determine who owns what and if they started a gun confiscation program on that logic they would fail miserably and kill many unarmed civilians.

Look I understand your point but you saying "even if you hacked...the NRA you would not be able to determine...[gun ownership]" is assuming that people haven't willing at least identified with NRA supportive groups of which firearms they own.

Overall, the point being is that people willfully and agreed to such private information being disseminated to a certain group, in this case the NRA. As opposed to the OP's assertion of glee, this isn't the same as a national registry instituted by a government who is restricted by a Constitution from doing so.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


I concur, but that does not make a gun registry.

A gun registry consists of people's names, addresses, serial numbers, amount and type of firearms owned. The purpose is for confiscation. Nobody in their right mind would try to confiscate any weapon from anybody, to knowing what kind of arsenal they had at their disposal.

So the NRA collecting mailing data for target marketing purposes is a moot point all together and a completely worthless source of information as far as a gun registry is concerned.

ITT: Pro Gun owners making excuses for their beloved gun club for doing something they would scream about anyone else doing.


TL;DR: Hypocrites

reply to post by AlienScience


People who willingly augment reality or create new definitions to words or to context to fit their own personal beliefs or bias: LIBERALS

reply to post by txinfidel


Isn't all that information recorded and kept by the gun seller, be it a store or a gun show, after the transaction is completed to assist law enforcement in tracing gun crime?

reply to post by Thorneblood


Yes when you purchase a firearm the only one who knows what kind of firearm you purchased is the dealer.

reply to post by txinfidel


And the dealer keeps that information indefinitely right?
Unless they go out of business and then that information is transferred to the District Attorney.

reply to post by Thorneblood


I believe so

Don't know about the second part. Good question.

reply to post by txinfidel

Gun Laws

Sales Records: FFLs are required to maintain records of the acquisition and sale of firearms indefinitely.17 The dealer must record, “in bound form,” the purchase or other acquisition of a firearm not later than the close of the next business day following the purchase or acquisition.18 The dealer must similarly record the sale or other disposition of a firearm not later than seven days following the date of such transaction and retain Form 4473, the Firearms Transaction Record.19 When a firearms business is discontinued, these records are delivered to the successor or, if none exists, to the Attorney General.20

So, in your estimation these dealers would never sell that information to the NRA. Even if it was just to piss on the Government?

What about gun show dealers, do they keep all those records as well?