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reply to post by CIAGypsy
. I work very intimately with government in the realm of national security.
reply to post by CIAGypsy
"those at the top wear a heavy,lonely crown and have few friends." Whether you are a superpower, a corporate king, or just the most popular kid in your high school, there will ALWAYS be those people who want to usurp your position. Power (and wealth) are transitory energies....meaning you constantly have to fight to keep what you have or someone else will take it from you. Sometimes that "someone else" just might want to wipe you from the face of the earth.
reply to post by CIAGypsy
Have you ever read any of the works of C.G. Jung? He talks about the breakdown of the human psychology in a brilliant way. There is the persona - the face/personality we show the world. The anima/animus - our animal instinct (relate this to your mollusk story). The shadow - the antithesis (almost) of the anima/animus...our "dark side." And the true Self. Many who study esoteric wisdom will also tell you that the world is based up on a "microcosm of the macrocosm." This means that the same patterns of life are identical from the smallest atom to the largest galaxy. It is the golden ratio. The life processes you see in humans are part of a formula that is duplicated all over the universe. This exists outside of any "elite group" and any/every human being is subject to it.
Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by CIAGypsy
So I will try to apply myself, for the art of discussion and sharing, not debate, for I am not trying to challenge but to understand.......
Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by CIAGypsy
You and I have been on many of the same threads, just to say, I already know your background as you have explained it before. May I say here, that we have many shared experiences and professional linked points.....at one time. from my point of view. Clear enough? What happens to people like us when we "break rank," so to speak? I am sure you know. The difference between us, for I used to share your sentiments, more than you know, is I lost faith. Suffered a loss of faith and belief in everything you express eloquently after what I quoted you describe above, about believing in America, the constitution, etc., and no longer, for certain reasons and experiences, had faith in those who were "guarding" that particular aspect of where we are, here in this representative republic......
Having said that, I am well aware that there are many with different motivations, from private industry, to government and all its attendant "alphabet" agencies, supposedly designed to "protect" us from all the threats you describe, of which I am very well aware.
In other words, even within the entity we describe as government, and certain guarded, secretive agencies employed to protect those interests, for me---at least---there was a defining moment, I think, described perfectly well, by a former president, of "spreading freedom," when the very vernacular used showed and illustrated we were not really, any longer, speaking of freedom, as most of us understand that concept, at all.
"more...."
Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by CIAGypsy
give me a breather, slower and older than you.....though I am enjoying interacting with you immensely....
Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by CIAGypsy
Great freaking thread - you are the illumanati - and this is how you view the little people you "control".
while denying your own existence.
God waits for you.
Originally posted by tetra50
I depart from you here, and this is what I mean by "breaking rank." Some time ago, I reached the conclusion, in a somewhat similar position to yours, that we were upside down and reversed; what is claimed is completely opposite now. And now, national security means total insecurity for every living thing on this planet, here and abroad, and in "nature," thus my mollusk reference. And if you are working in nanotech, I think you know exactly what I speak of here. It has become an increasingly exploitative environment, whether for people or animals or both.......
Our lives being perceived as pure energy, to be tapped, diverted and used without our permission, while we are judged on precepts and concepts that, even as they are claimed, are betrayed, in the undoing, so as to justify that diversion of our energy, into whatever and whomever is in control wishes to place it.
Just my humble opinion, and out of the box experience, which I will not go into further on this website, not for personal reasons, but for those close to me, whom I have been threatened with, actively and realistically, their safety if I go beyond a certain point.......
You mention electromagnetic science in your engineering experience.......If you know my post history, and why I participate in this website, and I admit it freely, this agenda of mine, I believe it to be highly manipulated and weaponized against the population in order to reinforce and justify a certain agenda, opposite entirely from mine personally, having experienced the result....let's say, for a moment, just for the purposes of, shall we say, "clarification" and "explanation?"
So to bring it all back to my beginning of this post, I don't believe security agencies are securing the safety of normal people, populace, trying to get up in the morning, work their jobs, provide their progeny with shelter and food and survival, no matter their race, religious beliefs, or what piece of land they were either born on or reside on today......
reply to post by CIAGypsy
BUT....not everyone who works with the government or within the government is like that....even people at the "top." There are countless individuals who work in the ABC agencies who are good, honest, moral people who care about civil and personal freedoms as much as anyone on ATS or the world over. But given the requirements of their jobs, they do not have the freedom to stand up and tell you themselves....or sometimes if they do, they are dismissed as "government disinformation agents," so what's the point???
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Originally posted by tetra50
I depart from you here, and this is what I mean by "breaking rank." Some time ago, I reached the conclusion, in a somewhat similar position to yours, that we were upside down and reversed; what is claimed is completely opposite now. And now, national security means total insecurity for every living thing on this planet, here and abroad, and in "nature," thus my mollusk reference. And if you are working in nanotech, I think you know exactly what I speak of here. It has become an increasingly exploitative environment, whether for people or animals or both.......
Our lives being perceived as pure energy, to be tapped, diverted and used without our permission, while we are judged on precepts and concepts that, even as they are claimed, are betrayed, in the undoing, so as to justify that diversion of our energy, into whatever and whomever is in control wishes to place it.
Just my humble opinion, and out of the box experience, which I will not go into further on this website, not for personal reasons, but for those close to me, whom I have been threatened with, actively and realistically, their safety if I go beyond a certain point.......
You mention electromagnetic science in your engineering experience.......If you know my post history, and why I participate in this website, and I admit it freely, this agenda of mine, I believe it to be highly manipulated and weaponized against the population in order to reinforce and justify a certain agenda, opposite entirely from mine personally, having experienced the result....let's say, for a moment, just for the purposes of, shall we say, "clarification" and "explanation?"
So to bring it all back to my beginning of this post, I don't believe security agencies are securing the safety of normal people, populace, trying to get up in the morning, work their jobs, provide their progeny with shelter and food and survival, no matter their race, religious beliefs, or what piece of land they were either born on or reside on today......
I do know what you are talking about here, but unfortunately I cannot publicly comment on it.
Suffice it to say (and I know many will not be happy with that, but it is what it is...) that what you are bringing up here is a different matter altogether from the alleged Illuminati conspiracy. Certain technological advances are taking place for a variety of reasons....but enslavement of the world population is not one of them, nor does it have anything to do with the Rockefellers or Rothschilds.
Originally posted by tetra50
Yes, I am quite familiar with all you speak of here, including Jung. But you must understand, from my point of view, to identify these systems and how they work, is also to know how to manipulate and BREAK and reconceive and reinterpret them, vis a vis whomever is pulling those strings at that moment.
This, specifically: "This means that the same patterns of life are identical from the smallest atom to the largest galaxy. It is the golden ratio. The life processes you see in humans are part of a formula that is duplicated all over the universe. This exists outside of any "elite group" and any/every human being is subject to it."
Yes, I agree, obviously. But it has become patently obvious to me, not only through my own erasure, but my observance of the lives of what others suffer and fight for and through, that this knowledge is obviously being manipulated in a certain way, to replace certain history with another, to redefine and justify a current methodology, to create domination, control, deconstruction of current structures, to rebuild others, in an underground, undercurrent methodology: this is the basis, in my opinion, of what conspiracy is intended for, in a multi layered and multi faceted way......
Think of this: the more everything is confined and evidenced and recorded on the computer, the internet, the more eraseable, subject to modification, erasure and replacement it is........
Originally posted by tetra50
Sorry, if you feel in any way I have derailed a "concrete:" thread, for my purpose and meaning was never to disrespect your thread in any way whatsoever. This is just where I come from, and respected you enough I wished to engage along those particular lines.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Tetra50
Originally posted by tetra50
ETA: One more thing: language, the basis of our connection or disconnection, the gathering of our personal narratives, what for, CIA Gypsy? For this, in my opinion, shows more plainly than anything else, how we are being data mined, deconstructed, combined, our identitities cancelled out and given elsewhere, to rebuild something entirely different. While people like me and you, that truly believed in those concepts you cheerlead for about being the individual, an American--for is that not what the Constitution and Bill of Rights ultimately is supposed to guard and honor?---are just being used, while underneath, what is truly happening, is the opposite.....no matter if you label it illuminati, masonry, whatever label or identity you wish to attach to it......
Again, Sincerely,
Tetra
reply to post by CIAGypsy
I have been faced with things I have viewed as reprehensible or morally objectionable in the course of my life. The only thing I can do is tell you my philosophy in dealing with such matters. For many years, I "turned the other cheek" for a variety of reasons....all psychologically understandable. At some point, I decided that course of action no longer worked for me internally. However, I knew that outright objection would serve little purpose in affecting change. Sometimes you have make change happen subtly from within.... Think on that.
Originally posted by tetra50
Ahhh, my dear, and not being patronizing here, so please don't respond to me in that way, either. I know of what you speak of intimately, and pay the price daily. Don't need to think about something I tried to do until a gun was held to my head, my child's life threatened unless I endorsed an agenda publicly which would have nullified my child and every other child and aware adult's life after that endorsement. Understand? I tried, already to walk the line you are walking, change subtly from within and all that.;...but one day, you will be called to choose, and to do so in a way you can no longer live with and sleep at night, my friend. I chose death and erasure, for my endorsement of what I was asked to do would have nullified all life mine and everyone and everything alive besides, thereafter, and I wanted no part of that, whether it succeeded with or without me, as I always knew it would, for I am not that important in that scheme or any other.......
My point is, I do not need to "think on this." I know about dressing up, fitting in and changing what you despise by joining, following the rules, toeing the line and trying to effect change from within that construct.......
We long ago, in my opinion, reached that tipping point where it all tipped over. I wanted no part of it.
Thanks, again, for your considered responses, however.
Originally posted by NewEye77
reply to post by CIAGypsy
Its not mythical...
However, here's the REAL problem. The apathy and complacency of the people. If 4,000 people can control the actions of 7,000,000,000, then maybe the 7 billion deserved it.
I don't even want to hear about the Illuminati anymore, because they don't have any power that the people don't willingly give it.
Its a pathetic state of affairs.
Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by NewEye77
And, once again, I will say that the individual will be held into account for everything he/she has done.
God waits.