Obama Tells Schools Not To Discipline Black Students For Bad Behavior

reply to post by Garkiniss

However, I don't recall a big hoopla in regards to its being released in 2001. Why the attention to Obama's EO now? How is this different... other than the obvious?

I can't speak for anyone else, let alone everyone else, but I don't abide by the bias in either case.
Something else to think about, in 2001, many people had no idea that an Executive Order had been issued, much less what it contained. The internet has made all of that different.

reply to post by OneManArmy


I laughed because I had already responded to you; your response back to me was pretty much name calling- and in in typical lberal fashion, you did not include any rebuttal.

But seriously, I would like to debate more on the topic of race as it pertains to the political parties. Are you able to start a thread?

getting back on topic....

Yes. The music industry nowadays puts out an extreme amount of inappropriate music that children hear. I agree. I hate it. In it, they hear cussing, promiscuity, the n word, and gnag/thug life being glorified.

I have children, and children are going to find a way to hear this type of music (friends, internet). However, the difference is that in my presence, they are not allowed to listen to, sing it, or reference that garbage in any way. What this does is communicate to my children that I don't condone such 'music; children often imitate their parents' actions.

So once again, its the home life that is key in shaping a child's behavior.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

I laughed because I had already responded to you; your response back to me was pretty much name calling- and in in typical lberal fashion, you did not include any rebuttal.

But seriously, I would like to debate more on the topic of race as it pertains to the political parties. Are you able to start a thread?

edit on 13-8-2013 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I really wouldnt like to discuss the political parties about anything. They are a sideshow. Now political reform, thats a different matter entirely. If you ask me, its time for an overhaul of the whole system. All the checks and balances need to be put back into place and the society needs to be able to take back its responsibility for keeping that government "for the people, by the people".
And that means ALL the people.

reply to post by OneManArmy

The real crisis is the rich/poor divide, which is getting wider and wider every day.

You need an EO that addresses that issue.

Amen - and right on

So, the real question is - why aren't there more threads, comments, arguments - revolving around the problems that come from: White Trash?

If we (and the OP) were the least bit interested in intellectual integrity (ahem) why aren't we discussing all these problems - and not just the problems of African Americans? It might be because she doesn't feel she has the authority or the street cred - but, the absence of chatter on this topic is something I think is a little conspicuous

:-)

(Anyway, here's a hint: because - even among the poor - things ain't exactly equal)

And before I go - having come out of a background that could be considered white trash - depending on who you are and where you're standing when you look - just gotta say: it isn't a crime to be poor. It isn't a crime to dress differently, talk differently or do anything differently from the ruling class

Originally posted by ButterCookie


So once again, its the home life that is key in shaping a child's behavior.

Home life is a very big part of course. But its not the whole equation.
Environment is a very big factor.
Groups of friends have a big impact too.
And in this modern world with kids on their iPhones and touch devices the internet has a big impact too.
Stress can have a big impact on a persons behaviour, for a very long time.


There are so many variables to a persons life, thats what makes us all different, but yet all the same.
Thats why I dont really agree with the left/right paradigm. Its divisive.

Kids need to be disciplined if they have bad behavior. It doesn't matter what color or social class they belong to. It doesn't matter if they are on a sports team or are a cheerleader. Equal punishment for equally bad behavior applies. We can't keep up the system we have started to create, it is important to adequately discipline the kids without permanently suppressing them. Kids need to learn a little humility, but not too much. It is about keeping the kid under your control and teaching them morals until they get old enough to go out on their own. At that time they will need some snot or they will get walked all over.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

The real crisis is the rich/poor divide, which is getting wider and wider every day.

You need an EO that addresses that issue.

Amen - and right on

So, the real question is - why aren't there more threads, comments, arguments - revolving around the problems that come from: White Trash?

If we (and the OP) were the least bit interested in intellectual integrity (ahem) why aren't we discussing all these problems - and not just the problems of African Americans? It might be because she doesn't feel she has the authority or the street cred - but, the absence of chatter on this topic is something I think is a little conspicuous

:-)

(Anyway, here's a hint: because - even among the poor - things ain't exactly equal)

And before I go - having come out of a background that could be considered white trash - depending on who you are and where you're standing when you look - just gotta say: it isn't a crime to be poor. It isn't a crime to dress differently, talk differently or do anything differently from the ruling class

edit on 8/13/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)

The term white trash is simply a synonym for white poor. The word trash has negative connotations and as such puts the poor white into the negative bracket. The phrase alone is a wedge between the poor and the not so poor.
It is a stick for so called middle class to beat down on the poor with.

And yeah of course even among the poor things aint equal, there is so much division in society on so many lines..
racial,
sexual,
religious,
gender,
class,
environment,
ethnic group,
smoker vs non smoker,
fat vs healthy,

Its a wonder that anyone gets on at all.

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by ButterCookie


So once again, its the home life that is key in shaping a child's behavior.

Home life is a very big part of course. But its not the whole equation.
Environment is a very big factor.
Groups of friends have a big impact too.
And in this modern world with kids on their iPhones and touch devices the internet has a big impact too.
Stress can have a big impact on a persons behaviour, for a very long time.


There are so many variables to a persons life, thats what makes us all different, but yet all the same.
Thats why I dont really agree with the left/right paradigm. Its divisive.

Glad to see that we agree

Please note that I mentioned environment as a factor.

The reason I mentioned the 'left/right' paridigm is because bot sides have policies that either contribute to this detriment of said group or aim to correct; thus I listed why I don't agree with liberal policies. Plus liberal policies create an idea of life long victimhood- a person will feel that there is nothing they can do to come out of their social misery.

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Plus liberal policies create an idea of life long victimhood- a person will feel that there is nothing they can do to come out of their social misery.

I agree thats why im not a liberal. But you still need a society that helps those that really need help.
Its only human to provide a safety net.
We dont need a society where the disabled/sick and elderly are left to fend for themselves.

We also need to provide the opportunities for everyone. Its okay saying for everyone to earn their own, but their has to be the jobs for the people to actually earn their own, and earn enough to actually be able to survive on.

But no, wages are kept low by greedy corporations that pay themselves and their shareholders sickening amounts of money, while the people that sweated to make that happen struggle to make ends meet.
Is it too much to just ask for the playing field to be level for all the players?

reply to post by OneManArmy


I would have to say that the playing fields ARE leveled..its just that not everyone is going to make it to the top.

To assert that everyone must everything alike at the same time, despite individual effort, is called Socialism.

Republicans guarantee an equal playing field ( starting ground). This is the reason they fought to uphold the end of slavery and pushed for the rights of women. That is called Equal Opportunity.

What they do not guarantee, and logically so, is Equal Results.

reply to post by ButterCookie

The left doesn't want the govt in their bedroom (neither do I) .....

But they seem want the govt to raise their children, pay their medical bills, buy their groceries and subsidize their rent.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

The left doesn't want the govt in their bedroom (neither do I) .....

But they seem want the govt to raise their children, pay their medical bills, buy their groceries and subsidize their rent.

Sounds like a pretty cozy relationship to me....

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

I would have to say that the playing fields ARE leveled..its just that not everyone is going to make it to the top.

To assert that everyone must everything alike at the same time, despite individual effort, is called Socialism.

Republicans guarantee an equal playing field ( starting ground). This is the reason they fought to uphold the end of slavery and pushed for the rights of women. That is called Equal Opportunity.

What they do not guarantee, and logically so, is Equal Results.

No dont get me wrong, im not talking communism. Im not saying the playing field should be that level, it never will be.

But every wage for every man or woman regardless of race, age or gender or paygrade should be a LIVING WAGE at least.

Their should of course be tiers of paygrades, (it provides aspiration and avenues to get promoted and a reason to get a good education and be an entrepreneur) but the balance should not be one sided. And availability of those jobs should be equal to everyone that can do it.
Intelligence isnt restricted to the upper classes, or any particular race, inventors, philosophers, theorists, writers, artists come from all walks of life, i think the world would improve if they were all given the same chances to make the world a better place.
Is that socialism? Or is that equal opportunity?
Or maybe just blind idealism?

reply to post by OneManArmy


Thanks to the Republican Party, the playing fields HAVE been equaled. Don't equate with a certain populations's high unemployment as 'unequal opportunity'...Thanks to the Republicans, there are no 'whites only' businesses or schools anymore, so that argument does not fly.

There are other factors that lead to the high unemployment in the black community, for example...

culture of gang/thug life glorification
low education
anti education
criminal records

These are proven by statistics.

So again, the playing field has been equal...you just are not going to see equal results.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

Thanks to the Republican Party, the playing fields HAVE been equaled. Don't equate with a certain populations's high unemployment as 'unequal opportunity'...Thanks to the Republicans, there are no 'whites only' businesses or schools anymore, so that argument does not fly.

There are other factors that lead to the high unemployment in the black community, for example...

culture of gang/thug life glorification
low education
anti education
criminal records

These are proven by statistics.

So again, the playing field has been equal...you just are not going to see equal results.

Well here in london the playing field is actually a lot more level than there in the usa, the contrast is blindingly obvious, black boys are now outperforming poor white boys in their school results due to the opportunities now afforded them, so there you have it, give them a fair chance and they start to perform really well and even overtake the white boys.
Im not saying everything is rosy here in the uk because its not, but the contrast to the usa is obvious. So its all about opportunity & social attitudes(heavily controlled by the media) but not race.

reply to post by OneManArmy


I agree...

and it is the liberal 'race-obsessed' attitdes that I am trying to combat.


I have been trying to get some on here to see that race is not a reason to be a victim, and that environment and upbringing shape your outcome early in life.

reply to post by OneManArmy

The word trash has negative connotations and as such puts the poor white into the negative bracket

It is an extraordinarily offensive label

It seems we're more comfortable openly trashing the black poor than we are the white poor - why is that?

If the African American community began discussing the problems caused by the white poor out loud and in public - or brought up how distasteful they found their clothing, their language - their music - any of it, I wonder what kind of response they'd get?

But we're free to discuss minority issues in this country as if they're not even in the room - and, why is that?

The phrase alone is a wedge between the poor and the not so poor. It is a stick for so called middle class to beat down on the poor with.

Every group manages to find a whipping boy all it's own. Or, they'll find someone that can make them feel better about their own station in life

Its a wonder that anyone gets on at all.

It really is

reply to post by ButterCookie

...and it is the liberal 'race-obsessed' attitdes that I am trying to combat.

If it's the liberals that are so race obsessed - how is it so much of what you post is about race?

I have been trying to get some on here to see that race is not a reason to be a victim, and that environment and upbringing shape your outcome early in life.

Is that what you've been doing? Well balanced - and so timely

:-)