Cleveland Police Disciplining 75 Cops After An Unarmed Couple Was Shot 137 Times

This should go in beezzer's thread "welcome to the new normal" or w/e

Cops are junk. Only used to intimidate and generate revenue. Good cops are few and far between.

Originally posted by aboutface
It's HIGH TIME that civilian oversight of all police forces become the obligatory norm.

Enough of this investigating and disciplining themselves. Clearly they have shown us that they cannot do it right. And until they begin to measure up, can the suspensions-with-pay attitude. They've taken that too far as well.

Some LEOs need to be fired, period.

I actually agree with this.

The laws need to be changed.

reply to post by Diisenchanted


Something is seriously wrong with the police in America these days.

I guess the reason for this new forum.

Absolutely disgusting. Liars and killers they all are and may they end up in General Population in both prison and Hell.

F them!

reply to post by IvanAstikov


Interesting point.

Many look to the like of Alex Jones and claim he and others like him give gun owners a bad rep, but never are the police used as an example.

Its becoming a somewhat frightening occurrence that when the police want to chase, and don't really have a valid reason, that they actually falsify their statements to justify it. A number of states have enacted “no chase” rules, that state that the police can only engage in chasing a vehicle if certain criteria are met. For lessor crimes and citations they are prohibited from chasing. The police, of course, hate this rule.

It isn't clear whether a shot was actually fired at the officer who initiated the chase.

In this case the officer who initiated the chase is the one who reported the supposed “shots fired”. That puts this incident into the highly suspect rage, IMHO.

If you recall the Texas Officer who pulled over Ryan Moats was overheard at the end of the video talking to another police officer, admitting that he commonly falsified reports by stating that the divers had attempted to “hit him” with their vehicles, to justify chasing over otherwise minor crimes.

Hey, at least the cops got a half way decent hit rate this time. Most times we hear about them shooting 200 times and don't even hit anyone.

The police have become unpredictable savages. They are to be treated as wild animals, do not move quickly near one, do not look them in the eye, do not make loud banging noises, and do not film them!

Why are we letting this happen?

Originally posted by IamAbeliever
I live just east of Cleveland. The police officers that started the chase stated these two fired shots out of the window near police headquarters. No gun was ever found in the car or anywhere along the chase route. It's believed that the car backfired.

Why the two ran is anyone's guess. It was a long pursuit that involved several police departments as well as the Highway Patrol.

I'm glad some disciplinary action was taken. That many shots is completely unnecessary. Yet another example of overkill involving out of control law enforcement.

Maybe the couple panicked hearing their own car backfiring. What would you do if you were next to a police station, perhaps flashing lights and suddenly heard gunshots. You'd want to get the **** out of there. Then the women tried to show she was unarmed by going up against the rear window.

Originally posted by eXia7
This should go in beezzer's thread "welcome to the new normal" or w/e

Cops are junk. Only used to intimidate and generate revenue. Good cops are few and far between.

I'd agree with the fact cops have far too many ..FAR too many within their ranks that could be called junk. Another way to say it is Criminals with Badges. Which seems more appropriate.

I'd sure be careful about saying it's a majority though. If that were true, we'd be in a place like Mexico or worse ..where seeing a cop under *ANY* circumstance truly is cause for personal concern, no matter the reasons for the contact. Either ripped for money you're carrying or just arrested for the hell of it, because you looked funny or something.

We have a BAD BAD need for accountability and I agree totally with a post on the last page about civilian oversight in EVERY Department in this nation. No exception. Civilian review boards on every questioned use of force and certainly every lethal incident, questioned or not. That may be a path to improvement.....if it could ever be done.

reply to post by Diisenchanted


This is mind boggling:

In November, about 60 police vehicles pursued the two suspects in a 25-minute chase spanning three cities

60 cars following ONE? Those folks had no chance. The initial information given by the first officer who reported he had been shot at in effect killed these people. Look at how these savages react. Executioner, not a paid schlep who is supposed to let justice do its job.

CJ

reply to post by Diisenchanted


Like a pack of rabid dogs.

That's the only way to describe them.

Jeezus, id recommend youse guys watch Bonnie and Clyde....this # is a good ole Amuricun tradition....

A "full blown firefight"?

Nope, if the other side is unarmed, then it is simply "full blown target practice"

Originally posted by Diisenchanted
reply to post by NuclearPaul

 

Ya the story says he was shot 23 times and she was shot 24 times. Out of 137 shots 90 of them missed their target, and they were in a school parking lot. I wonder if school was in session?

90 Shots Missed, in a school parking lot no less.

The excuse that cops will never fire warning shots because it may hit other innocents just went right out the window.

Smh this has been going on in our ghettos longer then people want to admit. I'm from cleveland's southeast side. They've been killing poor people in general for generations. The access to Information on sites like this don't allow us to stick our heads in the sand anymore.

reply to post by stirling

Bonnie and Clyde are a bit different, wouldn't you say? Their weaponry and almost gleeful use of it to kill who got in their way had become legendary by the time the cops "caught them". Sure, it was an ambush to blow them to pieces. Vegas had the Bonnie and Clyde car on display (probably still on display somewhere) and it was quite a sight. Just shot to swiss cheese...but then, those two really really needed killing like rabid dogs.

These folks in Ohio? Well, near as I can tell, they got the death penalty for running and having a crappy car that backfired. That's just not right to see as an Epitaph.

"Here lies Mr Smith...died for lack of preventative maintenance and poor judgement"

"Here lies Ms. Jones...died for being in a car that wasn't maintained and an idiot driver"

Hmm... Yup. That's a good reason to die. (The edge isn't meant for you...but this situation is truly outrageous)

I've been thinking about this some more. In Toronto, many people think the officer who killed the youth should be charged as a criminal. How about in Cleveland? What charges should apply, if any?

After tonight's incredible radio bit by ATS, I can't wait to hear Garth defend this event! The cops are losing all credibility. Don't worry, the lowest guy/gal on the totem pole will be hung out to dry and the rest will get a months paid vacation if all goes as usual!

Very sad in deed.

reply to post by aboutface


Can't charge the cops with anything because the officer may have truly
thought shots were fired. Or will at least make that claim The rest were
acting on bad information and the couple did run. As per the info says..

reply to post by jacobe001


A woman recently got 20 years for firing a gun near someone who was actually threatening her in her home. How long should these cops be getting for firing 137shots at an unestablished threat in the vicinity of a school? Even if it was outside school hours, there could still have been students and staff around, unless the incident had occurred in the early hours of the morning, or late at night.