IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare

Why dont the dems just suck it up and call defeat.
They have nothing left to be proud about- all those racist conversation starters was all for nothing.

See what happens when people actually read whats in the bill(or should I say book).
They find out just how stupid they were for blindly believing politicians fairy tales of
a fair and unbiased world, where everyone gets taken care of thanks to the goodwill(broken backs) of other people(neighbors).

Its over- Obamas presidency is worth about as much as crap in a can.
He really needs to fire his advisors and save whatever pride he has left.

And his supporters should be ashamed of themselves for being so purposefully daft.

......and Im still trying to figure out why people liked Obama so much during election season(BOTH TIMES).
......maybe like the Bill....they are just stuck on stupid, and are undeserving of any priveledge they think they are electing themselves.

I wouldnt be suprised if Obamas real job was a childrens storybook teller....or a used car salesman.
Hes definately not leader material - a real leader would have never done this to his own people in the first place.

Why doesnt he just grow a set and say "This bill is a disaster- I was wrong-I am repealing it before it causes too much harm to an already fragile economy, the facts are now out and we cant look away from them".

Originally posted by Common Good
Why dont the dems just suck it up and call defeat.

Democratic rule. Never give up, never admit a lie or a mistake. No matter who it hurts.

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Sad way to live- what they dont realize is that kind of reasoning doesnt only hurt them in the end- but everyone else who stopped walking with the herd -WHILE- warning them of the dangers they were facing being so faithfully blind and gutless to an unknown, unconstitutional, and unrealistic 'fix' to the peoples pain and suffering,.

Lives are already being ruined due to this madness. Think about what is going to happen if the people are stupid enough to let it actually go into effect. Their control will be no longer- if the "wasnt me" crowd wasnt so worried about their already TAINTED image- maybe they could actually work out the kinks with opposition instead of jailing people who dont comply to the Kings demands.

Its not just about healthcare- its about peoples standard of living- healthcare effects everything-esp the economy.
So why the undignified attempts at such a power grabb with such a WEAK bill that has more holes in it than Charlie Sheens brain?

I thought they were all about "pro-choice".... Im sorry- I forgot that phrase was only meant to use as arguement when talking about killing babies.
You have the choice to kill your own baby- but you dont have a choice when it comes to your own healthcare.

A Bright bunch they are....
....time to light a candle.

Originally posted by xuenchen
People need to study some of the health care 'systems' of old Germany.....

A lot of people are 'seeing' this coming again.

Does the modern bureaucratization of medicine risk a return to the horrors of national socialist medicine?

Nazi medicine was implemented by a political-medical complex—on the basis of political health care—a scientific and social philosophy imposed by a totalitarian regime. It should never happen again, but could it ever happen again?

Take a close look.

Quiet........


No need to panic the rest of America with this Nazi crap............

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I totally missed that. Not even halfway through the first page and the OP brings up Nazi's. Well done.

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Because heaven forbid that we start thinking of the government as anything but good. Because the American government is SO much different from every other government in the world. Why? Because we're American. We're more moral, we're better people, we won't turn over ourselves to a socialist/communist/tyrannical government. Why not? Because we're Americans. I keep hoping that one day people in America will realize that Americans are no better human beings than any other human beings on this planet. We're no smarter either. In fact, in some ways we're a lot dumber. Because as long as we keep thinking that we're smarter/better than others, we leave ourselves open to getting tricked into sacrificing our rights and freedoms, little by little, not even realizing that we're doing it.

Nazis of yesterday -Democrats of today-

The similarities are there [not that shockingly].

Power grabbing totalitartian minded criminals trying to be democratic doesnt really mix well unless its a means to an end.

- Doesnt feel good at all being compared to a racist though......Try being anything other than a democrat, and
getting away with having an alternate view that in their mind isnt solely based on race.

Race Race Race. Thats all liberals think about,without realizing just how racist they are being towards people who dont agree,

Whenever you try to force someone to do something against their will in this country- you will get compared to a Nazi.

When you find yourself agreeing with the IRS union- esp when you are an independant such as myself- its time to worry..

Wouldnt that be embarassing? To find out you supported and elected people who act just like the Nazis did when faced with oppositional views - by taking their voice away via executive order or hellfire missle...
.............. talk about akward.

Even the IRS (Obamas SS) are throwing the Nazi flag in protest..
Nothing about that bill is constitutional to American Standards.

Healthcare bill = Death Sentence to our abilities to progress as individuals or as a whole.
Its very restricting and very authoritive at the same time.
It is almost as if they should have called it ......................"A Fairies P-Tang"

Why couldn't us commoners form a Union for the non unionized people, have everyone who chooses to join, pay an annual membership of $50.00? Something like Commoners Union, it would be the largest union in the world with the most powerful union voice. The membership money could be used for attorney representation. The benefit of the Union members would be that they would represented as a whole by said attorneys in all matters of affairs against the government of the USA. It might work.

It`s pretty disgusting that a lot of the groups who supported obamacare in order to get it passed into law are now lobbying their representatives to exempt them from obamacare.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander,
i am about tired of us getting these wonderful new
things that are gonna fix this country only to see
anyone who has half a brain exempt themselves
and their friends, plainly because they know how
bad it will really be..... oh boy this is gonna be a long
couple of years.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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Well aint this a fine mess?

Should have read the bill, There has to be some massively despicable deception of the third kind going on here

Didn't you hear? We had to pass it to read it.

Friday I read that Medicare, Medicade and Veterans are exempt by virtue of already being covered. This is primarily to gouge young to middle aged citizens, the young the most suceptable to just roll over and accept it because they know no better in their short time.

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what's really disgusting is that this kind of large-scale representation is supposed to be what our senators, congressmen, and reps in washington are for....

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Wonderful


Maybe now people will pay attention, if the part of the government that is enforcing Obamacare doesn't want it that speak volumes, and is hypocritical as well.

Why should the IRS have better Healthcare than our Soldiers?

They should not. The IRS is completely out of control.

People do not have to take the 5th in phony scandals.

This union, like many unions supported and campaigned for Obamacare. It's really just a case of competing priorities. Unions, despite their issues, do want what's best for their membership ... but also the union's own survival. Originally, this was a key reason for the support of Obamacare. Now that it's passed and in the stages of design and implementation, the unions have realized that universal healthcare takes away one of the reasons for which the unions exist. Many healthcare options provided for employees were because of unions. Now that unions aren't the conduit for healthcare, it's an additional reason why some people question the relevance of unions. Though I think this is misguided and unions do and will serve important purposes, especially in a world where the shift of power in the employer-employee relationship has swiftly swung more toward the employer. That's all that's going on here. And it's not just the IRS - it's a lot of the unions and more and more have caught on to the fact that while Obamacare is probably good legislation and will be a positive thing for America, it does potentially damage the initial appeal of unions.

Originally posted by StoutBroux
Why couldn't us commoners form a Union for the non unionized people, have everyone who chooses to join, pay an annual membership of $50.00? Something like Commoners Union, it would be the largest union in the world with the most powerful union voice. The membership money could be used for attorney representation. The benefit of the Union members would be that they would represented as a whole by said attorneys in all matters of affairs against the government of the USA. It might work.

What you're arguing for is what exists. You are defining precisely how unions are born. Non-unionized people get together under shared concerns to solidify power. Many people have been brainwashed by the right that unions are a bad thing. And while there are certainly issues with unions and union behavior, on the whole, the concept of a union is a very democratic one - a banding together to maximize the power of the individual worker against the establishment and corporatized greed, concerned only with profits and not human welfare. But workers typically have the option to come together, vote for unionization, charge membership fees and bargain for the collective. There are labor laws in the US that preserve this right for most workers. That's the very idea. The idea of all non-union workers doing it together is an interesting thought, but likely unlikely only because of the expansive diversity of needs and concerns spread across all of the occupations that would be represented. This is why unions are typically concerned with specific sectors of the labor force, like food workers or steel workers or dock workers.

Oh look another Circle jerk S&F fest...Herp derp..

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But they don't want anything to do with what they are in charge of forcing you to get? Is this any different than the "you are going to eat horse meat while I eat beef" mentality?

I just saw the movie "Hunger Games". Your point makes me think of that movie, where the elites live in a giant metropolis and all wear strange hairstyles with blue and pink colored hair and wear haute couture and have access to all the foods, medicines, and so on, while the people living in outlying areas depend on hunting and fishing and surviving on their own. The Elites have all the good stuff while everyone else just subsists in old broken down shacks.

Anyone who's really really mad about this can tell their Congressmen to defund Obamacare

www.lee.senate.gov...

Put your money where your mouth is. Walk the talk.