Zimmerman / Trayvon: Yeah, I'm sick of it too, but one Video you HAVE to see...

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by Helious

 

So since Zimmerman didn't like violence he must have hated himself all those times he beat up on his fiance, assaulted cops, and molested a family member. Nice one.

Do you like facts much? You must not because you apparently didn't do your due diligence and as a result are spouting off a bunch of half truths combined with a dash of complete nonsense.

Assaulting a cop eh, you mean, getting into a fight with an off duty policeman at a bar who was harassing his wife? Ultimately resulting in the charges being dropped because the cop had a hand in the wrongdoing? Is that what your talking about?

Wife beating? You are referencing mutual restraining orders that were eventually mutually dropped ya? If not can you please provide me the proof of a domestic battery conviction?

Molesting family members eh? I see, can you please point me to a conviction for sexually related crimes he committed then?

Oh, you can't? Hmm, I guess you don't really like facts much, just parroting a bunch of lies and participating in leftist witch hunts, we all have to have hobbies I guess.

You guys are so funny. First the off duty cop was harassing his male friend, now it was his wife. You are imaging petty details of this incident to try and shift responsibility away from GZ. You want to talk about facts, the FACT is he assaulted a cop. I don't care if his dad got the charges dropped. Facts are facts.

You want to know if GZ if a violent man? Ask his wife, see what she says. Ask his past co-workers, see what they say.

And you want to excuse Zimmerman for molesting a family member repeatedly for several years... you are disgusting.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog

 

People debating this topic have been over the drug angle ad nauseam. You haven't added anything new to the discussion and we have already established that Martin's past drug use can only be speculated upon. Not to mention, "the medical examiner said Martin had either no traces of marijuana in his blood or 1%, which would indicate that the marijuana had been smoked days or even weeks before. There was no other evidence of any other intoxicating substances found in his blood or tissue."

Did they test for Robitussin and did the doctors say they didn't find any in his blood and tissue? What does marijuana have to do with taking Robitussin/other cough syrups and the possible side effects? I do want to add prescription opiate cough syrup is usually only detectable in a standard blood test for approximately 6 hours after the last dose. The reason I posted about lean is because I saw others say they had no idea what the heck it is plus the video talked about it. If you don't mind will you please tell me what topics are acceptable to talk about on this thread and what's off limits?

reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog


You can surely talk about anything you want as long as the moderators don't object. Since you have actually read what other people have posted in this thread I assume you realize that most people agree with the idea that Martin was a reprehensible drug user and that his "drug use" is sufficient to demonize him and goes a long way to justifying his slaying.

I'm just pointing out that Martin's drug use is a complete assumption and there is no way to prove drugs had anything to do with the altercation of that night.

I saw your post as feeding peoples misguided perceptions about the topic in question. My insolence is not aimed directly at you but at the general population.

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog

 

You have to have a serious addiction of like 6 or more ounces a day, and mix it really muddy (little to no sprite or "arizona"). I've known 2 very famous people to die from the addiction but they'd been drinking it muddy for may.be 30 years straight

Did you know those 2 famous people well and saw how much they took? I know someone pretty well who died from it (after using it for a year and a half) and they seemed to use a lot of sprite. They drank usually a bottle a day which I think is a little over 4 oz, I think it really depends on the person and their health like pre-existing breathing problems.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by nancyliedersdeaddog

 

You can surely talk about anything you want as long as the moderators don't object. Since you have actually read what other people have posted in this thread I assume you realize that most people agree with the idea that Martin was a reprehensible drug user and that his "drug use" is sufficient to demonize him and goes a long way to justifying his slaying.

I'm just pointing out that Martin's drug use is a complete assumption and there is no way to prove drugs had anything to do with the altercation of that night.

I saw your post as feeding peoples misguided perceptions about the topic in question. My insolence is not aimed directly at you but at the general population.

edit on 27-7-2013 by djr33222 because: (no reason given)

I didn't see people demonize Martin in this thread because I skimmed the comments before I posted but I have seen other people demonize him in other threads and websites. I can assure you my intention wasn't to bad mouth him but to show the side effects of cough syrup are since some people who don't live in the south or listen to rap know what it is. I have no idea what kind of person Martin or Zimmerman really are only what the media and his family/friends have told us, I do wasn't to clarifying doing drugs don't make you a bad person and they effect people differently.

reply to post by djr33222

You guys are so funny. First the off duty cop was harassing his male friend, now it was his wife. You are imaging petty details of this incident to try and shift responsibility away from GZ. You want to talk about facts, the FACT is he assaulted a cop. I don't care if his dad got the charges dropped. Facts are facts. You want to know if GZ if a violent man? Ask his wife, see what she says. Ask his past co-workers, see what they say. And you want to excuse Zimmerman for molesting a family member repeatedly for several years... you are disgusting.

Yeah but, this is America still right? Ya know, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing right? I mean your saying he is guilty of all these things yet I fail to see a conviction for any of them. For me, as an outside party looking in, I don't afford myself the luxury of labeling this man as anything other than what the facts support and the facts are, he hasn't been convicted of any of which you speak, hence, in my mind, he is innocent.

TM on the other hand has been a proven fan and exhibisionist of violence and those facts are derived from his own mouth as it were, his own social media, a self proclaimed advocate of aggressive violence, the proof there is pretty solid.

One last thing, you ever been to the bar with a cop off duty? I have and you know what, even when your friends with them it's almost unbearable, the more they drink the more the superiority complex comes out, after 7 or 8 beers they start spouting off and acting like batman or the savior of the modern world, I don't give them any passes in drunken fights. Neither should you.

How do threads like these, gain so much attention and receive so many stars and flags; and important topics like: Monsanto or real truth, get no attention? The same media, you GZ supporters boo'd, for making it a racist case and blowing it way out of proportion; are the same people making up these fairy tales that you people are cheering and saying: "kudos, for great investigative reporting." Y'all are confused.

I love the way everyone dismisses GZ's past, as if it never existed. Alcohol, child molestation, restraining orders and assaulting police officers are pretty serious offenses. Yet, GZ is the good guy, just standing his ground; Minding is own business, when SUDDENLY; out of no where; he was "attacked". Attacked? Yeah, "attacked", i tell ya. You should have seen it. Oh wait....NONE OF YOU SAW IT.

I'm not sick of Zimmerman/Trayvon. I'm sick of the lopsidedness in the minds of the inhabitants on our planet, being told how to think.

Here's the Hannity 'interview', fair and balanced with no preposition I don't think. That Zimmerman is a stereotypist, is without doubt, that Martin's online material was in the trial while Zimmerman's was not, is also without doubt. That Zimmerman was stalking, even after he was told he was not needed is without doubt. He left his car, and carried on one foot, a hundred feet, even further it matters not, he was told to feck off.



Quite frankly I don't care what many of you think, but I would be ashamed of the verdict that was given, the prosecutors should be ashamed. I don't know either why Squirrel gave us this Johnny come lately video.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by EPH612

 

I love how you conveniently skipped over the fact that, "the medical examiner said Trayvon had either no traces of marijuana in his blood or 1%, which would indicate that the marijuana had been smoked days or even weeks before. There was no other evidence of any other intoxicating substances found in his blood or tissue."

It is funny because just yesterday in this same thread you were speculating how Martin was using marijuana and lean. So maybe you should correct your own mistakes before being critical of another person's opinions. You should admit that you jumped on the druggie bandwagon like everyone else with zero credible evidence to substantiate your views.

edit on 27-7-2013 by djr33222 because: (no reason given)

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I did not "skip over". In my earlier post, I never claimed that he was high at the time of the encounter. I said that it is not inconceivable that he may have been been planning on using lean or had at some time in the past, because his drug use has already been established. Did it play a role in this encounter? Maybe. Some drugs do continue to affect your mental state even after they've passed out of your system. But I rather doubt it. So I did not jump on the "druggie bandwagon" as you called it. I never claimed that Trayvon's drug abuse was the cause for the shooting. I think there were some mistakes made by both Zimmerman and Martin that had a great deal more of an effect that led to this tragic incident. As I see it, there's no reason to assume that his drug use had any effect on his decisions that night. Even if we DID assume (which I'm not) that Trayvon had had some kind of prolonged effect from his drug use, I think that it would have had an fairly negligible impact on the decisions that he made that night.


True, I probably should have deleted the section describing the low level of marijuana use in Trayvon's bloodstream from the portion that I quoted, since it had no bearing on what I was addressing, but that would be poor post editing. Nothing more. Do not assume that I skipped something in your post. That's just insulting.

And since you brought it up...

maybe you should correct your own mistakes before being critical of another person's opinions.

I couldn't help but notice that you neglected to address any of my replies to your claims. Some of your claims were based on

zero credible evidence to substantiate your views

like your claim that Zimmerman got out of his truck and followed Trayvon AFTER he was told not to. I admit that my post contained speculation. However, as I see it, my speculation was postulated based on known facts, like Trayvon's history of drug use. Whereas your claim was based on no evidence*, which struck me as incredibly ridiculous given your claim that you had closely followed the trial.

Now, if there was any false information that I used to form my theories, please point it out. I don't think that there is any (as I try to be careful about speculating based on correct facts), but it's not impossible. I'm not perfect. Sue me. Or better yet, correct me, and point out what false information I used.

*Unless there is new evidence that I've never heard of to show that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after the 911 call. If there is such evidence, kindly provide a link so that I can evaluate it, rethink my opinions, change them if necessary, and respond.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


I love how this guy demonizes the media for being biased against Zimmerman, then proceeds to paint the most biased portrait of Trayvon I've ever seen done, lol. Is it some kind of a joke, or is he just a complete idiot?

This is called character assassination, and this clown is just the opposite side of the same coin he claims to hate.

I'm glad I've never heard of this guy before, and I'll do my best to avoid anything he ever does in the future. Good thing I didn't take his name down.

Garbage.

reply to post by Helious


I gave you a star because I agree with everything you said said. Everything you said pertaining to the American judicial system is correct. I have no qualms about the verdict and I realize Zimmerman was never formally charged in any of these events we've been discussing.

I have the mind of a psychologist in that I am only concerned with peoples perceptions of events and not the objective, factual, static events as they are proven to have happened by recognized authorities i.e. the court.

What concerns me are people's perceptions about a black teenager and some guy who killed him, these perceptions have disturbed, shocked, and disgusted me. I'm not referring to you but to others. In this sense guilty or not guilty doesn't matter to me.

Originally posted by garbageface
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

I love how this guy demonizes the media for being biased against Zimmerman, then proceeds to paint the most biased portrait of Trayvon I've ever seen done, lol. Is it some kind of a joke, or is he just a complete idiot?

This is called character assassination, and this clown is just the opposite side of the same coin he claims to hate.

I'm glad I've never heard of this guy before, and I'll do my best to avoid anything he ever does in the future. Good thing I didn't take his name down.

Garbage.

The funny thing is, all of the facts support the complete opposite of your argument. That leaves you, the main stream media and all of the people who are too brain dead to understand anything other than what CNN tells them a victim of their own ignorance.

The truth, the honest truth, the one that the facts support is right in front of your face, spoon fed too you and yet you choose to continue to perpetuate myths, conjecture and racism in spite of the massive wealth of evidence that has been provided. Shameful.

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by garbageface
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

I love how this guy demonizes the media for being biased against Zimmerman, then proceeds to paint the most biased portrait of Trayvon I've ever seen done, lol. Is it some kind of a joke, or is he just a complete idiot?

This is called character assassination, and this clown is just the opposite side of the same coin he claims to hate.

I'm glad I've never heard of this guy before, and I'll do my best to avoid anything he ever does in the future. Good thing I didn't take his name down.

Garbage.

The funny thing is, all of the facts support the complete opposite of your argument. That leaves you, the main stream media and all of the people who are too brain dead to understand anything other than what CNN tells them a victim of their own ignorance.

The truth, the honest truth, the one that the facts support is right in front of your face, spoon fed too you and yet you choose to continue to perpetuate myths, conjecture and racism in spite of the massive wealth of evidence that has been provided. Shameful.

edit on 27-7-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)

"ZOMG Trayvon was a highschool thug high on WEED.. VIOLENT PEOPLE ARE HIGH ON WEED!! ZOMG!!"

Please stop with the crap.

reply to post by Helious
What good are "facts" when 1/2 the equation is missing. It's like 2 + _ = ? And since when, has any news network been worthy of being a "fact-based source"?

FACT is, he lied! Compare the re-enactment video to the Hannity interview. Dude can't even keep his eyes focused, in one place. Hard to do, when you KNOW you got blood on your hands. He knows he's guilty. What would you do?

You would do....just as he has done: LIE, LIE, LIE. This is "old news" but worth repeating:

Prosecutors will be allowed to present evidence about George Zimmerman’s work in a college criminal justice course, which they say shows the neighbourhood watch volunteer knew about Florida’s self-defence law and had aspirations of becoming a police officer.

Zimmerman had maintained in an interview with Fox News last year that he did not know about the law. Prosecutors say he did have knowledge of it, however, because the subject was covered in the college class.

Judge Debra Nelson also ruled Wednesday that prosecutors can show the jury Zimmerman’s job application to a police agency in 2009 and his application to ride around with Sanford police in 2010.

Never-mind all that. Not important, right? Not considered "evidence", strong enough to convict this CIVILIAN, with "wanna-be cop syndrome", of the crimes he committed. news.nationalpost.com... I'd hate to see him in uniform. SCARY!

Originally posted by garbageface

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by garbageface
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

I love how this guy demonizes the media for being biased against Zimmerman, then proceeds to paint the most biased portrait of Trayvon I've ever seen done, lol. Is it some kind of a joke, or is he just a complete idiot?

This is called character assassination, and this clown is just the opposite side of the same coin he claims to hate.

I'm glad I've never heard of this guy before, and I'll do my best to avoid anything he ever does in the future. Good thing I didn't take his name down.

Garbage.

The funny thing is, all of the facts support the complete opposite of your argument. That leaves you, the main stream media and all of the people who are too brain dead to understand anything other than what CNN tells them a victim of their own ignorance.

The truth, the honest truth, the one that the facts support is right in front of your face, spoon fed too you and yet you choose to continue to perpetuate myths, conjecture and racism in spite of the massive wealth of evidence that has been provided. Shameful.

edit on 27-7-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)

"ZOMG Trayvon was a highschool thug high on WEED.. VIOLENT PEOPLE ARE HIGH ON WEED!! ZOMG!!"

Please stop with the crap.

Hmm, did I say any of those things? Nope, I sure didn't. Trayvon was violent because he practiced and participated in MMA fighting and remarked on HIS OWN social media that he wan'ted a rematch with somebody he had already beat because he "didn't bleed enough".

Now, which one of us is spewing crap? That's rhetorical by the way. You don't have a leg to stand on with anything you just posted.

reply to post by Helious


Before when I made mention to Zimmerman's violent history you said it didn't matter because he was never properly adjudicated as being violent.

Now you are saying Martin was violent because of something he said on social media...

You do realize people who participate in MMA do so in a ring with a referee, that it is a sport, and that it is a sport where bleeding is normal. Have you never heard professional MMA athletes talk?

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by Helious

 

Before when I made mention to Zimmerman's violent history you said it didn't matter because he was never properly adjudicated as being violent.

Now you are saying Martin was violent because of something he said on social media...

You do realize people who participate in MMA do so in a ring with a referee, that it is a sport, and that it is a sport where bleeding is normal. Have you never heard professional MMA athletes talk?

Please show me a post on Zimmermans social media where he boasts of wife beating, sexual molestation of family members or indiscriminately assaulting cops.

Oh, you can't? Well, I guess it's two different things then isn't it. Other people accusing you of something and admitting something yourself is a little different no?

People who want to continue a fight because they feel that somebody hasn't bleed enough...... Well, they are usually violent.

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by Helious

 

Before when I made mention to Zimmerman's violent history you said it didn't matter because he was never properly adjudicated as being violent.

Now you are saying Martin was violent because of something he said on social media...

You do realize people who participate in MMA do so in a ring with a referee, that it is a sport, and that it is a sport where bleeding is normal. Have you never heard professional MMA athletes talk?

Please show me a post on Zimmermans social media where he boasts of wife beating, sexual molestation of family members or indiscriminately assaulting cops.

Oh, you can't? Well, I guess it's two different things then isn't it. Other people accusing you of something and admitting something yourself is a little different no?

People who want to continue a fight because they feel that somebody hasn't bleed enough...... Well, they are usually violent.

edit on 27-7-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)

Are you dense? Why would Zimmerman exacerbate his legal problems by talking about it on social media. How does him not talking about legal and potentially legal matters on social media make him not violent? Do you really not understand your faulty logic full of double standards or are you just trying to be an irritant?

Like I said, MMA is a sport with a referee. It is perfectly normal and legal.

Despite all evidence to the contrary you will never admit to yourself that Zimmerman was violent. That is pretty sad.

reply to post by WonderBoi


If you keep it up PETA will be after you for BEATING A DEAD HORSE.

Why are you posting stuff that has been covered explained and dismissed oh yeah that’s right YOU DIDN’T WATCH THE TRIAL that is why you keep posting things that mean nothing or have no bearing what so ever.

Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Who are you? Zimmerman's spokesperson? You seem to know sooooo much about this guy, YET, back nothing up...to show us that Zimmerman had a squeaky clean background. From what i've researched, and have already posted, throughout the Zimmerman Trial Thread, was that GZ had been arrested but the case was closed. Then, it turns out that GZ's mom and dad both work for the system. Now, you're telling me, daddy didn't pull no strings, each time his child got in trouble.

Yeah, your sick of Zimmerman/Trayvon, but you just have to have the last word. Soon as we mention George's myspace posts and domestic violence problems, y'all say: THAT DON'T COUNT.

What some of you are trying to do, is bully people into believing that fairytale GZ told you. You wouldn't know a "thug", if an OG introduced himself to you, personally. And, you know what, i could care less that a jury found him innocent. He's only innocent in the eyes of the "law", but he IS GUILTY of killing someone.

God bless Amerika!

Also weird, how y'all jump ship from this THREAD to post on this one. The OP's video was already posted in that thread. Slick!

STill accusing a dead person of crimes he didn't commit, huh??? Sad!

Do I sense a little bitterness? I can only assume age has something to do with your cry baby little attitude. GROW-UP! Yoo boy screwed up and got killed because of it! Deal with it!

On topic: T was doing everything he could to get high high HIGH! He was bound to be removed from society eventually. If it wasn't on a slab in a morgue, it would have been a prison cell for drug dealing or murder. If you can't see that, than you are truly ignorant…