Bayer and US Government Knowingly Gave HIV to Thousands of Children

What if a company that you thought you could trust, knowingly sold you a medicine for your child that they knew had the potential to give your child HIV? How would you react? What if a government agency that claims the responsibility for protecting you from such treachery, not only looked the other way, but was complicit in this exchange?

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This kind of thing really makes me sick. IN the US drug called for hemophiliacs called Factor 8 was found to be tainted with HIV in the 1980s. Instead of the batch being destroyed the FDA allowed the drug to be sold to countries including Argentina, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore. The result of this was tens of thousands of people becoming infected and thousands dying.

As usual no one from Bayers or the FDA has been charged with anything.. It is evident that companies like these have nothing but a duty of care to themselves. Yet we trust them to work on our drugs and make our food products..

Link to source please?

There have been numerous cases as well of US pharmaceutical companies using third world and south American populous as test for products.

So I have no doubt this is correct.

eta: US Pharmaceutical companies testing drugs on india's poor.

I don't doubt that bayer/our government would do something like this, but not many people are going to jump on your band wagon, and you may be flamed, for not posting a link to evidence of any kind.

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Thanks for your response. Here is the link:

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I will edit the OP too..

You forgot to provide a link to your source.

The case occurred in the early 1980s. At the time there was no method for screening the products for HIV so it is not correct to say that the contaminated products were knowingly distributed. This is not to say however, that Cutter Biological, the Bayer subsidiary, acted responsibly in not removing older, potentially unsafe product, from the market until 1985.

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Thank you link now provided...

The case occurred in the early 1980s. At the time there was no method for screening the products for HIV so it is not correct to say that the contaminated products were knowingly distributed.

Yes they knew....

In 1984 Bayer became aware that several batches of this Factor 8 contained HIV. They knew this because there was an outbreak of HIV among hemophiliac children, and this outbreak was traced back to Bayer.

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Companies will only do what they are legally required to do, Not what they are morally obligated to.

Countries without proper laws for distribution and monitoring of medicine get to get raped by Big Phrama, I have always thought that the US should in act laws that require American companies to certain standards.

If you are Based in the US, and profits from out side the Country flow into that company in the US should be required to in act the same standards as the US as long as the country does not bar the implementation if other countries allow for the standards.

It should not be a defacto of nope no laws, not gonna do it.


This is very similar situation with Latin American countries laws on car safety, despite American cars level of safety as an example: A ford Fiesta in the US is WAY more safe to drive than the same car made for Latin America.

The crash death rates all prove it.

reply to post by purplemer

In 1984 Bayer became aware that several batches of this Factor 8 contained HIV. They knew this because there was an outbreak of HIV among hemophiliac children, and this outbreak was traced back to Bayer.

That is utter nonsense. There is no such thing as an "outbreak of HIV". HIV is not a disease. Your source can't even get that right.
The role of a retrovirus as the cause of AIDS was not recognized until 1983 and there was no test for it. HIV was not recognized as the cause of AIDS until 1986.

While there was no "tracing" back to Bayer (Cutter, actually) there was strong evidence that the occurrence of AIDS among hemophiliacs was related to the use of unheated plasma products. As I said, Cutter could have acted more responsibly and withdrawn existing stocks from the market (they stopped producing the unheated product in 1984). But, as I said, there was no way of testing any plasma products for HIV until later. Not all the product was infected. There was no way of knowing which batches were infected. Cutter did not knowingly distribute infected product but they did end up paying millions in settlements.

This wasn't the only case, as many other pharma blunders have happened. However, the characterization here is totally inflated and barely reads as reality.

This story is so old it's a horse that can no longer be beaten because it's simply bones. Skeletal remains of a story from the 80s.

This was interesting stuff way back before the turn of the millennium when the conspiracy culture was just getting into the public domain more because of the internet, however, today...

It's just a rehash by people who would just as soon sell you enough colloidal silver to turn your skin green.

-yawn-

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I heard next week they are covering breaking news from the WWII era. Seems Hitler is stocking up on Zyklon B.

IG Farben was involved in numerous war crimes during World War II. It was seized by the Allies in 1945 and liquidated in 1952. It still nominally exists as an asset-less shell, with the stated goal of paying restitution to the victims of its many crimes in the form of compensation and reparations.

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IG Farben was founded on December 25, 1925, as a merger of the following six companies:[1]
BASF
Bayer
Hoechst (including Cassella and Chemische Fabrik Kalle)
Agfa
Chemische Fabrik Griesheim-Elektron
Chemische Fabrik vorm. Weiler Ter Meer

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Originally posted by Phage
While there was no "tracing" back to Bayer (Cutter, actually) there was strong evidence that the occurrence of AIDS among hemophiliacs was related to the use of unheated plasma products. As I said, Cutter could have acted more responsibly and withdrawn existing stocks from the market (they stopped producing the unheated product in 1984). But, as I said, there was no way of testing any plasma products for HIV until later. Not all the product was infected. There was no way of knowing which batches were infected. Cutter did not knowingly distribute infected product but they did end up paying millions in settlements.

While they, technically, did not knowingly sell tainted blood products, they did make a verbal promise to the FDA to withdraw Factor VIII from the market when the relationship between AIDS and unheated plasma products became clear. Cutter did so, but only in the US and European markets, they continued to off load Factor VIII stocks to Asia and Latin America until the middle of 1985, with their own records demonstrating that they were well aware that the blood may be contaminated, and that some donors may have had AIDS.

Whether Cutter was behaving ethically became an issue in internal company discussions. "Can we in good faith continue to ship nonheat-treated coagulation products to Japan?" a company task force asked in February 1985, fearing that some of its plasma donors might be H.I.V. positive. The decision, records show, was yes.

Taken together, the documents provide an inside view of Cutter's bottom-line strategizing and efforts to manage the flow of information amid growing public anxiety about the safety of its product.

When a Hong Kong distributor in late 1984 expressed an interest in the new product, the records show, Cutter asked the distributor to "use up stocks" of the old medicine before switching to its "safer, better" product. Several months later, as hemophiliacs in Hong Kong began testing positive for H.I.V., some local doctors questioned whether Cutter was dumping "AIDS tainted" medicine into less-developed countries.

Still, Cutter assured the distributor that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was the "same fine product we have supplied for years." Li Wei-chun said her son, who died in 1996 at the age of 23, was one of the hemophiliacs in Hong Kong who got AIDS after using that product. "They did not care about the lives in Asia,"

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By continuing to sell the old version of the life-saving medicine, the records show, Cutter officials were trying to avoid being stuck with large stores of a product that was proving increasingly unmarketable in the United States and Europe.

Yet even after it began selling the new product, the company kept making the old medicine for several months more. A telex from Cutter to a distributor suggests one reason behind that decision, too: the company had several fixed-price contracts and believed that the old product would be cheaper to produce.

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For those who have commented that this is very old news, it really isn't that old, the compensation cases were only settled in 2011. Reporting of those cases though has been limited due to compensation recipients being tied by a gag order.

reply to post by purplemer

What if a company that you thought you could trust, knowingly sold you a medicine for your child that they knew had the potential to give your child HIV?

What if "HIV" is a hoax, and the hemophiliac kids actually died from the AZT given to them, using them as guinea pigs, to come up with a new drug to make lots of money with?

This would explain worldwide hiv statistics much better, than person to person transmission. A few drug companies could have literally started and promulgated this plague upon humanity

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funny how for the corporate apologists
big pharma can do no wrong

the cognitive dissonance is obvious
bayer has done this before you know

Bayer and Death:[pt1 of 5] foodfreedom.wordpress.com...

“In summary, just before the 1918 death spike, aspirin was recommended in regimens now known to be potentially toxic and to cause pulmonary edema and may therefore have contributed to overall pandemic mortality and several of its mysteries. Young adult mortality may be explained by willingness to use the new, recommended therapy and the presence of youth in regimented treatment settings (military). The lower mortality of children may be a result of less aspirin use. The major pediatric text of 1918 recommended hydrotherapy for fever, not salicylate; its 1920 edition condemned the practice of giving ‘coal tar products’ in full doses for reduction of fever…. Varying aspirin use may also contribute to the differences in mortality between cities and between military camps.”

The cause of the millions of 1918 deaths is not just an historic matter. Since that time, medical authorities, international health agencies and governments have attributed the deaths to a frighteningly virulent virus. Their view of 1918 has formed the basis for a great threat — that the world faced future pandemics of equal virulence, capable of killing millions.

Agencies have been created, international plans have been developed, and pandemic emergency laws have been written with military backup included. Billions if not trillions of dollars have been devoted to finding a vaccine to protect the world from a recurrence of the 1918 Spanish flu.

Yet NIAID has said there is no evidence of a flu and that common respiratory bacteria was responsible. Starko’s work supports that and offers a scientific perspective on how aspirin was the likely cause of the two types of deaths seen during 1918, one slow and one incredibly rapid.

Meanwhile, the government, the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization treat the rapid deaths as one of the frightening characteristics of a “mysterious” virus and proceed with vaccine development.

Given that the millions of 1918 deaths appear related to the pharmaceutical industry panacea of the day (aspirin) mistakenly applied, and that vaccines are the pharmaceutical industry panacea of this day, which would be mandated through pandemic laws, it is essential for the world to become aware of the facts of 1918.

S,F, and a bump