US plans to bring Iran oil exports down to zero (No, Seriously, read this)

reply to post by Skorpy


Reagan could "bluff"....Obama?....sigh

Starred. Finally, some real news.

I for one hope that China and Iran don't budge, I know I certainly wouldn't blame them.

Wake me up when they cut off Saudi too.China is just ballooning with their artificial economy and learning in decades what we found out in centuries about industrial progress.

Iran just wants a bigger stick to sheid their nuke program that Russia is talking to them about.

Originally posted by Tardacus

Companies in those countries doing business with Iran previously given a pass will be cut off from the US economy.

Wow, that could put Wal-Mart out of business

There must be a lot of plastic junk at Wal-Mart that was made in china using iranian oil.

*Binden calls for stroner US-India business ties
abcnews.go.com...

There's always someone else who can make cheap junk for us.

Quote of the day!

the relationship between India and the US has unlimited potential and there is no reason why trade, commerce and intercourse between our countries can't increase exponentially

"While the sanctions will be harsh if and when executed, the timeline for their full implementation – a year from passage, likely in September or October – grants the Iranians another year or more to acquire nuclear weapons capability."


Are you serious? another year or more to acquire nuclear weapons capability, yep this sounds fair and unbiased.


This is nothing but prejudiced drivel, if it's sensationalist news from a sensationalist outlet then just let it remain a hateful opinion instead of introducing it as news.

Originally posted by Skorpy
reply to post by nwtrucker

 

We may be Bluffing but our troop movements seem to dictate that we are readying ourselves across the globe for WW3, just in case the Bluffs fails.

All these little things that are happening are just the beginning,of all out war. Why else would we need a massive Asian pacific presence. We just sent 20,000 troops to Australia for offensive land amphibious engagement training.

China is in border disputes all along it's borders, these little countries will welcome the U.S. into their back yard, they look at China the big bully in the playground,

which in turn puts the U.S. in a great position if all out war comes.

So, lets hope the U.S. bluff works. Otherwise, the Marines will be up.

edit on 24-7-2013 by Skorpy because: (no reason given)

China and Russia have nuclear weapons along with long range delivery systems and second strike capabilities. Direct war will not break out. Even war with Iran is more likely to be a proxy war than anything.

Very interesting and I agree with some that say maybe years ago this would have some sway but not now.
Suicide is the only word that comes to my mind.

I almost never post in this Forum as I am looking in from the outside.

Regards, Iwinder

That is not going to happen…

In my humble opinion at this stage what Iranian should do is to detonate several 100+ tons of TNT under one of their vast deserts then calls it nuclear test. Sure all seismographs will pick up its magnitudes all around the world.

Step back and then see how these bullies back off gently and shutting up for good.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Yes, it is all about controlling the flow of oil out of the middle east.

You are seeing this in Egypt, you are also seeing the US taking steps to force Iran into a war. Either economically or via attacking their allies - Syria. But don't mistake me, Iran aren't the good guys either - in my opinion their leaders are religious nut jobs.


But as to China taking over once the US loses the reserve currency status - well, they have their own fiscal problems.....and once the US goes, it is going to take the rest of the world with it.

reply to post by MidnightTide



Ohh I am sorry..

But those religious nut jobs in Iran are much better than those liars and crooks/hypocrites in western ruling empires.

They are honest with what they say and do…. Your governments do the same..?

reply to post by amkia


They are honest religious nut jobs? Crazy is still crazy. As to being better then the west? Corruption versus a theocracy? Not to mention their religion is Shia Islam.


Which I mean to say I don't care for either of them.

The US putting trade restrictions on China would devastate there economy and boost ours - and if they wanted to go to fisticuffs then the 3 gorges dam looks pretty inviting for tactical payload deliveries....

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

If China continues buying Iranian oil... The US has implied (according to this article) that in a manner of speaking yet technically, they will be imposing some of the biggest sanctions on China.

You can't smoke a Cuban cigar because it supports Communism, but for the love of God don't stop buying that crap from China. Doublestandardmuch? More like triple or quadruple.


Are nations really that much like kids bullying each other on the playground?

Stop buy Chinese Junk,

Stop importing Iranian Oil

Amen to that

A couple of points to mention.

1. The timing of the next round of "sanctions" or what have you coincides with the midterm elections.

2. Why do people think we would "go under" without China? China has the jobs we desperately need to get back. This to me is the next phase of economic downturn when the U.S. turns to isolationist practices and begins to hoard resources setting up the scene for the next major conflict.

3. People really have no clue as to what the U.S. military is capable of and should not be wishing for war. We out spend everyone exponentially and have for a century on our military capabilities. China has not fought a major conflict in modern history unless you consider the Korean war proxy actions .

4. Why is anyone here hoping to live under an eastern tyranny as opposed to our familiar western one? The devil you know and all.....

The US looks likely to take military action against Iran.

Such pronouncements are warlike actions. It is like forcing Iran to take the course of military action.

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
A couple of points to mention.

1. The timing of the next round of "sanctions" or what have you coincides with the midterm elections.

2. Why do people think we would "go under" without China? China has the jobs we desperately need to get back. This to me is the next phase of economic downturn when the U.S. turns to isolationist practices and begins to hoard resources setting up the scene for the next major conflict.

3. People really have no clue as to what the U.S. military is capable of and should not be wishing for war. We out spend everyone exponentially and have for a century on our military capabilities. China has not fought a major conflict in modern history unless you consider the Korean war proxy actions

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4. Why is anyone here hoping to live under an eastern tyranny as opposed to our familiar western one? The devil you know and all.....

My replies:

2. USA and the Western world are heavy importers of Chinese stuff. If Chinese stopped shipping to US today, there would be a shortage of consumer goods and small machinery items (including construction materials), that can cause hyperinflation in the US.

3. This is how US should settle its dispute with Iran, by military means. Using economic blockade is silly as it usually hurts the poorest the most.

4. US has largely abandoned its democratic ideals. This has a very large impact on the moral landscape in which everybody accepted USA's supremacy.

It is not a question of one tyranny for another. People do not like anybody's tyranny. However the world has not reached a stage where a worldwide single government is feasible. US may try to achieve that my military means. What happens after that is sometime away.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


The United States has more domestic oil than Saudi Arabia. The Chinese need the USA as a business partner. The issue is a Nuclear Iran that will use them against Israel. Of course with all the Jew haters on this site, ATS has a tremendous paranoid population of anti US/Israel....
It bums so many out that we, Americans, live how we do.....and we as Americans are changing the cabal that seems to exist throughout Europe and Asia and is older than our country. In fact, the Cabal killed our 35th President for taking their name off our currency that this cabal has been stealing from Americans since 1913...Yeah, you killed John Kennedy because he ordered the Federal Reserve off our currency.
Because the Fascist were able too infiltrate our government it is taking a long time to over power them, and we are....
So get a clue people.Many of us know WHO the real enemy is and it is not the American People...Its your(Europe/Asia Banker cabal) that has stolen from us for a century. This is ending. The Republic of The United States is going to rise out of the stench of European Socialism that has handicapped us for decades...And when your countries can grow a pair, and actually defend something of integrity, then post and bash. Til, then bow hard. Ricky Revere.."The enemy is here"

reply to post by GargIndia


Addressing your first point I can see some short term discomfort but most Chinese imports to the US are low quality inferior products except for the electronics we have them build for our companies and rare earth. All this would do is allow the large pool of unemployed persons in the US to fill the need of manufacturing products again. This I see as counterproductive to any globalist plans so I doubt there will be any disruption of Chinese slave labor.

In short I still see 0 downside to stopping imports of Chinese junk. They are so resource poor that they have to buy our scrap to be able to sell us a lot of the junk. If we depended on the Chinese for food or natural resources then this would be a problem but it is mostly unnecessary economic filler .

Just think back to the products made before the globalist loosed the giant sweat shop on the world and you will see what I am talking about. Back to the time of furniture made of real wood, clothes that didn't disintegrate within a few years, things made with metal instead of plastic, products that were made from less toxic substances etc. You will find that many products made before the Chinese factories came along are in high demand now and still work because they were made with quality in mind even if 50 years have passed.

What I meant about the devil you know being better than the one you don't was that many here are anti-us for whatever reason and watch with baited breath for the giant to fall but even as messed up as the US is now you still have many basic freedoms that the Chinese do not . I do not see how people start to envision China or Russia as some kind of global counterweight to the US being able to offer any more freedom than what the US currently allows. Yeah Russia with the lifetime appointed leader or the Chinese and their humane treatment of their people locked in factories to die for pennies an hour are shining beacons in the global landscape.

reply to post by NihilistSanta


USA went to China because USA faced problems of high inflation and low productivity from domestic labor.

It was USA that initiated the normalization of relations with the Chinese.

The current economic system (for example WTO) has worked well for the Chinese as they have been able to scale up their industries massively by catering to worldwide demand.

The genie is out of the bottle now. You cannot put it back again. Even if US stops importing from China, China will survive by exporting to other countries. It has an industrial infrastructure that is hard to replicate.

You can manufacture anything in the US provided - you have capital to establish factories, and you are price competitive. You will still compete with rest of Asia and all of Europe, even if you stop Chinese imports.

Chinese are giving you real goods in return of your virtual money. That sounds like a very good deal to me.

The issue of quality is secondary. This is coming from the designers, who want cheap products. The designers are mostly American companies.