Everything you believe about the history of the world is False

And Another Thing

Just in case anyone thinks the OP is just a harmless joker with a bee in his bonnet, consider the meaning of this statement.

Everything you believe about the history of the world is false.

It means the massacres in Rwanda never happened.

It means the killing fields of Cambodia are a myth.

It means the Cultural Revolution never tore Chinese society apart.

It means that millions of Russians, Central Asians and Eastern Europeans were not murdered, tortured, displaced, starved and brutalised by Stalin's regime.

It means the gulags never existed.

It means that millions of Jews, Roma and others were not enslaved, tortured and murdered by the Nazis.

It means the Second World War, which caused the deaths of some 60 million people, never happened.

It means the horrors Asia, and particularly China experienced under Japanese conquest were entirely fictional.

It means the ruin of an entire European generation in the trenches of the First World War is a myth.

It means the British never invented the concentration camp. No concentration camps have ever existed (except, of course, for those which exist today).

It means that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Africans were never enslaved and transported to the New World.

It means that tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Africans were never enslaved by Arab slavers, or Eastern European peasants by Ottoman ones.

It means the hideous exploitation of Africans by Europeans in Africa itself never occurred.

It means that the bloody and culturally destructive conquest and exploitation of almost the entire world by Europeans never took place, and the trauma still suffered by Third World countries struggling to emerge from the shadow of imperialism has neither existence nor meaning.

It means the hideous cruelties and inequalities of caste in India are pure fiction.

It means that millions of innocent people never died in the name of the Prince of Peace.

Convenient, eh?

reply to post by Astyanax


Way reading too far into it....

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

Could you explain just what I should read into it, and what I shouldn't? I'm afraid the OP did not include any instructions with his statement.

On second thoughts, don't bother. Your contributions to this thread so far do not inspire much confidence in your knowledge or judgement.

• The categorisation of the Ages of Man into gold, silver, heroic, bronze and iron comes from Hesiod, not from Hindu or Vedic mythology as you claim. The Kali Yuga is not the same thing as the Iron Age.
  
  
• There is no mention of silver, bronze, iron, etc. ages in the Vedas; the attempt to equate the Vedic and Greek concepts is a current New Age fashion – no ancient textual source exists to justify it. Your unsourced external quote is from a book called Karma and Reincarnation: A Philosophical Examination by someone called Joseph Morales, which appeared in 1996. Source.
  
  
• No ancient peoples were 'capable of astronomical feats to the extent of ourselves'. They could observe and predict the motions of common astronomical bodies visible to the naked eye, that is all. They did not know what the planets are, what stars are, what the Moon is made of, or the laws governing planetary motion as discovered by Kepler and Newton. They knew nothing about nebulae, galaxies, quasars or black holes. In astronomical knowledge they were pymies compared to ourselves. All they could do, really, was construct more or less accurate calendars. And predict the odd eclipse.

I don't wish to be rude, but I cannot help observing that people who put great stock in the wisdom of the ancients must be very ignorant about modern scholarship, research and understanding.

Originally posted by RAY1990

Very insightful and true.
But do you not think we have one trait that separates us from the rest?
I do, I believe that it is our ability to understand. Our knowledge and ability to learn separates us from the rest in my eyes, we could and should be the vanguards of life on Earth but yet we do nothing but destroy it.

Fair enough other animals have shown compassion not dissimilar to a human, animals such as dolphins or primates. These animals however have no ability to understand and reason like we do. I agree though, we are nothing but an exotic yet fundamental element of the universe.

I'm not sure I would rule out the dolphins unless we define intelligence as human type only.

First thing we need to get a grip with is humans are the most destructive and vicious animal this planet as ever created. You know that Si Fi scene where some alien race comes to a new planet and eats all its life forms and totally destroys the planet as they pillage the natural resources...THAT IS US!!!

Maybe many are just not in touch with who we really are?

So what separates us from other life forms? I would say it is our ability to think in the abstract. For, far as we know, no other earth life form can do this. We also have the ability of opposable thumbs that even other primates do not have.

THAT IS IT!!

Wow we are so special. So lets look at this. Our brian is large compared to other animals, but what is more important is the resources our bodies put into it. We put about 1/3 of out energy into our brains and that is a ridicules amount compared to other animals. Ok so what? What if ANY animal with the same resources would have the same ability to think abstractly? We think so much in the abstract we spend about 90% of our time there... You can't even cook breakfast without doing it abstractly first.

But is this special? It could just be just a formula of brain size plus energy invested equals abstract abilities...boy we must be special.

Is a cheetah special because it is the fastest land animal? It just happens to be the fastest, and we just happen to have the most brain power...

Our brains are not as powerful as many might think, Read the book Invisible Gorilla and you would get my point. Our brains fake us out most of the time, because it really doesn't have the power to process EVERYTHING as we think it does. Maybe the next higher formula would do just that, but it is not us...we are not special...

Originally posted by Sump3

As for this thread, I think that it is quite hard for us to judge something that we never saw through our set of eyes. But the evidence I've stumbled upon and summarized through various ancient texts leads to the conclusion that there was a civilization before us that did things more different then we do.

One thing to think about...what will people in 10,000 years view our science fiction? Will they suggest that we had super advance capabilities base on their speculations of Arthur C. Clark?

reply to post by CircleOfDust
your information & imagination level is at kindergarten level. it's good try. keep it up.

reply to post by Xtrozero


That's good abstract thinking, maybe we're doing exactly that to them ancient texts.
But golly gee old me, they sure knew how to build their monuments, and boy, their philosophy on the interior persona of us as a collective one still baffles me.

To get into that. When I look at the old Egyptian texts (Book of the Dead f.ex.) I get the gist that they are trying to set up a set of instructions on how to navigate in our mind to be a better "us".

But who knows, maybe it was just written as a fun read fiction and I read t much into it.

All I know is I know nothing, the only thing I am is my belief.

reply to post by Astyanax

I don't wish to be rude, but I cannot help observing that people who put great stock in the wisdom of the ancients must be very ignorant about modern scholarship, research and understanding.

Entirely your opinion, but you are most certainly welcome to it. The ancients had a lot of stuff down that we take fore-granted, or even over look the importance of.

By the way : New Agers aren't the only ones who associate the Ages, with qualities of the four metals.....

Just saying....

Here's a big hint : I'm not a new ager either.

Something I wanted to point out for you....The Vedic writings predate Hesiod's existence or 'Works and Days' for that matter.

The categorisation of the Ages of Man into gold, silver, heroic, bronze and iron comes from Hesiod, not from Hindu or Vedic mythology as you claim. The Kali Yuga is not the same thing as the Iron Age.

Oh really?

Ages of Man - Sublink : Ages of Man in other cultures.

The Hindu and Vedic writings also make reference to four ages (Yuga) termed: Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali. According to the Laws of Manu these four ages total 4.32 million years. These four yugas make up a Maha Yuga, a Chatur Yuga, or a Divya Yuga. 1000 Maha Yugas taken together equals one day of Brahma or 4.32 billion years. Brahma’s night is of an equal length which is also 4.32 billion years. Taken together Brahma’s day and night are 8.64 billion years in total. Brahma lives for 36,000 "Brahma days" so his lifespan is equivalent to 311 trillion, 40 billion years. After his death there is an equivalent period of 311 trillion, 40 billion years when the Universe is unmanifest. Then a new Brahma is born and the cycle starts all over again. Taken together the life and the death of Brahma equals 622 trillion, 80 billion years. This equals one cycle out of innumerable cycles in the Vedic Universe.

J.R.R Tolkien actually used the concept of Four Ages in his LOTR series...

So not just silly new age nonsense you see...Might wanna re-look your premises and drop the superiority complex while you're at it. It's quite unbecoming....

“For the gods keep hidden from men the means of life.” - Hesiod, Works and Days (Greek epic 8th or 7th century B.C.)

It has been proposed and even quite likely in my eyes, that Hesiod was possibly exposed to or even an initiate of the Greek Mystery schools. Ultimately, every mystery school, even the Egyptian ones, trace their heritage of knowledge back to the Aryans.

The Aryans brought us what exactly?? Sanskrit, Vedas, and Hinduism....Interesting...Now what is more likely based off of this information? That Hesiod came up with ages that just happened to resemble the Yuga's; or that through his exposure to the Greek mysteries, that he began to study the Eastern way of life, and was knowledgeable of the Yuga's and used them in his poem.....

Ockham's Razor makes more sense on the latter in my honest opinion.

As far as what you should read into with the thread title : Most people believe man evolved from hunter-gatherer relationships and from there it has just been a steady climb up with man at the top of the pyramid and food chain....Man walks around with a chip on his shoulder as if he was the "fliest" thing since Fried Peanut Butter & Banana sandwiches.

Not to be rude, but my contributions to this thread are not any indication of my intelligence or grasp of knowledge. However, I would like to point out that your cold demeanor and the way in which you try and belittle the opinions of others or hold yourself above them, shows a lot about your morality as a human being....

I am distrusting of yourself and your intentions.....Get out of here you Djinn...

reply to post by Xtrozero

I'm not sure I would rule out the dolphins unless we define intelligence as human type only.

I didn't rule any animal out, in fact intelligence is not solely linked with mammals either. It appears to me to be a universal trait that can be demonstrated by many species. The ability to problem solve and plan ahead is a sign of intelligence and ultimately many animals do this.

First thing we need to get a grip with is humans are the most destructive and vicious animal this planet as ever created. You know that Si Fi scene where some alien race comes to a new planet and eats all its life forms and totally destroys the planet as they pillage the natural resources...THAT IS US!!!

Maybe many are just not in touch with who we really are?

Correct again, I cannot see how "intelligent people" can possibly defend things so doggedly such as shale gas drilling or deep sea mining. These are just 2 recent examples of how stupid humans can be. I mean have we not displaced or destroyed enough species and their habitats? I think we have.

We all have good and evil in us, but as a collective the bad side trumps every time.

Wow we are so special. So lets look at this. Our brian is large compared to other animals, but what is more important is the resources our bodies put into it. We put about 1/3 of out energy into our brains and that is a ridicules amount compared to other animals. Ok so what? What if ANY animal with the same resources would have the same ability to think abstractly? We think so much in the abstract we spend about 90% of our time there... You can't even cook breakfast without doing it abstractly first.

I don't know that much about the brain but I will say energy requirements like that are a big hindrance, success in survival equals extra time on your hands. The ability to store and prepare food to last has been most likely our greatest achievement in our collective history. It does make you wonder if any other animal shared such levels of success, would they be able to have the ability to think without hindrance. In all honesty though I don't think it is down to brain computing power alone, security is a major player in being able to think abstractly I think... That is just my opinion.

But is this special? It could just be just a formula of brain size plus energy invested equals abstract abilities...boy we must be special.

No, it's not special it is evolution. With great success comes great success-ability. Our ancestors must have came to a level of comfort where the need to commit so much energy just into survival and thinking on how to survive, that we had an ability to evolve exponentially in terms of the brain or computing power if you like.

Is a cheetah special because it is the fastest land animal? It just happens to be the fastest, and we just happen to have the most brain power...

Dedicating so much energy to that trait means that it most likely needed it to survive, makes perfect sense due to it's circumstance of it's natural habitat. Again it's just evolution.

Our brains are not as powerful as many might think, Read the book Invisible Gorilla and you would get my point. Our brains fake us out most of the time, because it really doesn't have the power to process EVERYTHING as we think it does. Maybe the next higher formula would do just that, but it is not us...we are not special...

Maybe, maybe not. It is after all evolution and we are still evolving. I will check that book out it looks like a good read. It is amazing how delusional the brain can become in many scenarios. You are right we are not special, we are good though and can get better in terms of processing in the brain. Everything we live is pretty much new ground, makes one wonder if our minds would falter so much if we lived in the wilderness.

Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by CircleOfDust

 

CAN'T

Right. So we can build a scale model of it in Las Vegas out of glass and metal that, while shorter by about 120 feet, has nearly 4500 rooms and literally hundreds of times the interior space and is still structurally sound enough to be a casino... but we couldn't build one out of rock that has essentially no real interior room? Makes absolute sense!

Until you or someone can build a real pyramid or balance a rock like at corral castle to the degree of perfection of the original, you're just speculating.

Fact: no one in modern times ever has.

Originally posted by DarkNite

It's the end of the great cycle, where God hits the reset button on Earth. Eventually the golden age will return its beginning cycle, once the earth recovers from the devastation.

reply to post by CircleOfDust

 

I've said before that I believe humans are far older than we are taught in school and older than most believe but that's because they take what their teachers say as fact and that's it. they don't question it further. I enjoy finding people who do the opposite and look at the evidence for themselves. I've also said that we go through periods of great advances and either wipe ourselves out or something happens to send us back into the Stone Age. Then we start all over. If it resets after this cycle when will that happen? Wasn't the end of the cycle suppose to be in 2012? It makes sense that it would start over as I have said because the Mayans said when our cycle ends its not the end of humanity but a new beginning. 'A golden age' and the golden age was first on your list so it makes sense to me that it starts over. But when? When does this 'iron age' end?

Well I'll get more ridicule I'm sure, but I'm okay with that. My own belief is that 2012 wasn't the real date. Find my end of the world thread.

reply to post by Astyanax


Epic.

This is another reason why we are at the lowest point in civilization. We can't communicate effectively and no one can understand the simplest of things. Take your understanding of my post. Either that or you're just playing dumb and misrepresenting my post. In either case it's a darn shame.

reply to post by CircleOfDust

Until you or someone can build a real pyramid or balance a rock like at corral castle to the degree of perfection of the original, you're just speculating.

Fact: no one in modern times ever has.

Fact: no one in modern times has ever bothered. We don't need to recreate the pyramid at Giza. We can already do better.

And the Coral Castle? You mean the one that was made with tripods, pulleys, and winches? Do some research.

reply to post by Astyanax

You know full well, that what you are saying is not what the OP means. Don't be pedantic!

Our true human history appears to be hidden to a greater extent but.......it is all gradually being revealled.

I remember somebody explain what Apocalypse means.....simply Revealing.
The world would change when the past is revealed in all its grubby detail and its glory.

We can't even be sure what happened yesterday, the media is so twisted and controlled.

So let's see what comes out....shall we. We just have to sit back and watch because it WILL come out and there will be no stopping it.

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

Tolkein wrote fiction, if I recall correctly.

The Vedas are not necessarily older than Hesiod's poem. It depends on which Veda you are referring to.

I am quite familiar with the yuga concept (I am South Asian) and I am quite certain it has nothing to do with the Ages of Man in Greek mythology. As for the range of your own knowledge – of which you boast – it seems of precious little value if it leads you to put credit in ancient speculations that modern knowledge has utterly disproved. Perhaps a little more discrimination concerning the distinction between knowledge and speculation is in order. I recommend a little less philosophy and a lot more fact.

reply to post by Elliot

You know full well, that what you are saying is not what the OP means. Don't be pedantic!

The OP has not confided in us, so I certainly do not 'know full well' what he or she means. Unlike the excitable and undiscriminating faction here, I do not speculate.

However, I do know how to extrapolate. The events I listed are what most knowledgeable people (historians included) 'believe about the history of the world'. I know the OP is not saying, specifically, that they never occurred; I am pointing out that his or her statement implies they did not, and there are enough villains in the world – Holocaust deniers, racists of all stripes, religious apologists, and others – who are willing and eager to take such implications as fact.

The kind of wilful ignorance and fabrication indulged in by conspiracy theorists on ATS and elsewhere gives aid and comfort to evildoers. It is pernicious, stupid and potentially deadly. That is my point, which you were evidently too literal-minded to appreciate.

'knowledgable people and historians included'....would lose their jobs and never work in an educational instituion again if they came out with anything that did not fit the painted picture.

But isn't that what is at issue here? Speculation even WITH evidence is disregarded by the main stream....why....because it does not fit the 'painted picture'. But what if the painted picture is false?
Speculation? Well, just stare at the painted picture and accept it!!

In astrology the ages are simply a the zodiac divided by the precession of the equinox. Ages are then the division of the total time; 25,920 by 12 = 2,160 years per age.

I have heard of other divisions, and I guess the cycle could be divided into quadrants - like a season, but they are not generally referred to as ages.

As for the claim that everything each person knows about history is false, requires that you are privy to the information in others minds - which is a neat trick.

That the antideluvian period of earths history is generally vastly misrepresented by modern historians, archaeologists and scientists is a fairly non controversial statement to make here on ATS.

Most people who have tried to investigate the antideluvian period would concur that some information seems to be ignored, twisted and there does seem to be a coordinated effort to obfuscate in order to promote a 'sterilized' version.

None of these observations would lead me to make the claim that nobody on ATS has any useful information regarding history or the correct perspective on the current age of man.

Our civilization is being influenced by powerful coercive forces, it is somewhat difficult to determine the exact origin of these coercive powers. They exert coercion through international banks, corporations, the buying up of democratic state power and the use of education and media.


Whosoever controls the present has the influence to control information about the past, so it should not be surprising that any endeavor to create an objective understanding of history is going to run directly into these same forces.

That history does not equal the information that is touted by the current occupants of international positions of power should be intuitive. You best hope for understanding is to keep an open mind and evaluate as much information from as many sources as possible.

Originally posted by CircleOfDust
Either that or you're just playing dumb and misrepresenting my post. In either case it's a darn shame.

Sad but true.

Most people don't have to actually work at PLAYING dumb...

We have "education", MSM, and everything else that effectively control our minds to thank for this.

reply to post by g2v12


To me that would mean you believe in the vimana. I admit it is hard to choose whether to believe or not, someone told us, yet it is hard to decipher for the reason that in reality we are discovering dinosaur bones which are the complete reality of existence in prehistory and we are not finding vimanas throughout the world.

Before the last ice age 12,000 years ago, evidence shows these individuals had abilities to lift large stones and we still do not know exactly how it was done in some cases. So there is a possibility they came from space, especially with all the mars evidence, but logic would say they were giants because it would give a reason for lifting the large monoliths.