A concept (Freemasons and "Satan")

Saurus
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

The bible does not forbid magic. That is simply your interpretation.

Likewise, the bible explicitly says that we should try and emulate god. In plain and clear language - unambiguously. It does not specify how and how not to do so. Again, to select ways in which you might think we should try be like God or not is also your interpretation.

I do not interpret the Bible. You think you can, but I don't think I can. God specifically said that the Bible is of no human interpretation. You have to let God interpret it for you. You don't even believe the Bible is the Word of God so this is a non-issue. Let's get back on track, because you do have free will to use magic if you choose to and you are well aware of what you are risking. I would not attempt to subvert your free will.

FreeWillAnomaly

I do not interpret the Bible.

Okay, lets start again then, but without interpretation:

Ephesians 5:5 "So try to be like God."

Saurus

FreeWillAnomaly

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8

Hmmm... lets see... this verse places the cowardly and murderers in the same boat. So even if I stop practicing magic, I'd still go into a lake of burning sulphur because if I happened to come face to face with a lion, I'd run away...?

No, I have never believed Revelations should be read literally, so you're right, I do dispute that as proof.

Besides, if a Pastor performs a miracle, he is, by definition, doing magic. Oh, but in this case it's open to interpretation, is it?

I get it. You don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. Can we get back to talking about Hiram and the Masonic light now?

Saurus

FreeWillAnomaly

I do not interpret the Bible.

Okay, lets start again then, but without interpretation:

Ephesians 5:5 "So try to be like God."

God specifically defines what he is talking about. Thinking like a human vs thinking like God. You don't believe God means what he says, so it follows that there is no point digging up passages to show you. The Bible interprets itself. That's also how you know magic is forbidden.

Back to Hiram and Masonic light. Is the allegory that Pinocchio presented realistic in the sense of what Masons believe is Masonic light?

FreeWillAnomaly

Back to Hiram and Masonic light. Is the allegory that Pinocchio presented realistic in the sense of what Masons believe is Masonic light?

Without trying to put anyone down, I sometimes fail to understand the ideas that Pinnocchio is trying to get across. His posts are rather... cryptic... in nature. If you will summarize his allegory, I will answer your question.

Pinocchio
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

Masonic light involves a notable charity which can simply be put: "To Stop That Which Happened To Hiram Abif. And To See That It Never Happens Again."

He is saying here that Masonic light blinds those subservient to the allegorical modern Hirams of speculative Masonry so that they will not murder him for his secrets.

In the story of Hiram, as you know, the operative Masons working under Hiram wanted to know the secrets of operative Masonry so that they would be able to increase their wages. Hiram refused to tell them so they murdered him.

If Masonic light enlightens, does it also blind?

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


Since you won't answer this, I will go ahead and explain. There is only one God. He created everything. I don't expect a fundamentalist like yourself to comprehend this but some people believe that when someone prays to their God, all the prayers go to the same entity regardless of what he is called. I pray to the God. The one and only creator of all. The one who send his only son here.

Masonry allows men of many faiths to work together. I am sure that is the main bone of contention with a fundie. It's all about being aware of the fact that other people have different beliefs and respecting that.

reply to post by Mason mike


Do you really think I needed an explanation of your beliefs?

I am not a fundamentalist. I have the fundamentals down pat. I am trying to move on to advanced studies, but clarification is required on some things and God has not clarified those things yet for me.

What you mean to say is that I believe the Bible is the Word of God, which is true. Calling someone a fundamentalist comes straight out of the theosophical playbook and is a play on the primal circuitry of the human brain. It is a psychological tactic. If you have nothing useful to add, please stop making me look at your Avatar.

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3"You shall have no other gods before Me.

"You shall have no other gods before me"
First commandment.

You are not a Christian, so don't pretend to be. You call Christians "fundamentalists."

Do you want to discuss Pinocchios allegory on Masonic light? I am interested in that and it is new to me, unlike your beliefs which are very common among Masons and constantly talked about.

FreeWillAnomaly
Back to Hiram and Masonic light. Is the allegory that Pinocchio presented realistic in the sense of what Masons believe is Masonic light?

No. The Hiram Abiff allegory teaches fidelity and is not about 'Masonic light'.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I am aware of what the original Hiram Abiff allegory refers to. I was wondering about Pinocchios allegory on Masonic light. Why would he believe that part of Masonic light's function is to stop that which happened to Hiram from happening again?

FreeWillAnomaly
Why would he believe that part of Masonic light's function is to stop that which happened to Hiram from happening again?

You would have to ask him. He is not a Mason so I take everything he posts with that in mind.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Does Masonic light ever serve to blind? If so, who does it blind and why?

FreeWillAnomaly
Does Masonic light ever serve to blind? If so, who does it blind and why?

No. Masonic light is interchangeable with the words 'enlightenment' and 'knowledge'. It refers specifically to the teachings of the degrees and how they are delivered. I cannot imagine how some morality plays about faith, hope and charity would blind anyone.

AugustusMasonicus

FreeWillAnomaly
Does Masonic light ever serve to blind? If so, who does it blind and why?

No. Masonic light is interchangeable with the words 'enlightenment' and 'knowledge'. It refers specifically to the teachings of the degrees and how they are delivered. I cannot imagine how some morality plays about faith, hope and charity would blind anyone.

Enlightenment and knowledge very commonly serve to blind. Morality plays about faith, hope, and charity - throughout history - have often served to blind. But, that was not the question. Your answer is no so I won't keep prying.

FreeWillAnomaly
You are not a Christian, so don't pretend to be. You call Christians "fundamentalists."

I call a spade a spade. You have fundamentalist views. You think your view is the only right one. That's fine, but so does everyone else, and they can't all be right. So somebody is going to burn forever in the lake of fire. Unless I am right and God is a loving God who wants his children to look out for each other.

Do you want to discuss Pinocchios allegory on Masonic light? I am interested in that and it is new to me, unlike your beliefs which are very common among Masons and constantly talked about.

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Pinochio has a writing style that makes me have little to no idea what he means. I suppose he likes it that way. But seeing as how he is not a mason, I fail to see how his views on the masonic legend of Hiram Abiff would have any bearing on masonry or masonic light.

Light is knowledge. Divine knowledge. We as masons leave the interpretation of the Bible up to each member. They are free to believe as you do that the Bible is all true, or as I do that it's a rule and guide to living a good life.

WWFWA do?

Leviticus 20:10 KJV
King James Version
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death

Kill em all and let God sort em out.

FreeWillAnomaly
Enlightenment and knowledge very commonly serve to blind. Morality plays about faith, hope, and charity - throughout history - have often served to blind.

If you say so. I do not see how teaching lessons on charity can blind anyone.

reply to post by Mason mike


I am not going to explain OT passages to someone with an agenda. You are using psychological tactics that only work on the foolish, so if they worked on you - you are foolish.

I am seriously tired of seeing your avatar. Why did you choose that avatar? Do you truly think it is funny or is there another reason?

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


I chose it in hopes that one day a poster would come along with opposing views and he would really, really hate it. That way, he would be blinded by rage and make himself sound like a lunatic.

How's it working?

Mason mike
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

I chose it in hopes that one day a poster would come along with opposing views and he would really, really hate it. That way, he would be blinded by rage and make himself sound like a lunatic.

How's it working?

I actually thought that was the reason. A psychological ploy.

It is working.

I do really hate it.

It also makes sense that only those with opposing views would hate it.

Nice work.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


Actually it's from an episode of South Park and it was very funny to me. Plus, having the ability to use an avitar, I decided to chose one that makes me smile. You should focus on content and not the avitar. It's like not liking someone because of how they look. Bad form.