Russia, China block U.N. condemnation of Iran missile tests

so it is ok for israel to test fire a ballistic missile that can go 5000k and is not a member of the atomic club .

but wo little iran that is circled by u.s bases tests a missile ,.

not only that look at a map of sunni v shia pretty much surrounded both ways .

they got nukes years ago i bet just like the u.s.a gave nukes to other countrys .

strange how every embassy of israel has set geiger counters crazy

I wonder where Iran would appear on a world war three graph, if they did'nt have any oil..?

Originally posted by geobro
so it is ok for israel to test fire a ballistic missile that can go 5000k and is not a member of the atomic club .

but wo little iran that is circled by u.s bases tests a missile ,

.

not only that look at a map of sunni v shia pretty much surrounded both ways .

they got nukes years ago i bet just like the u.s.a gave nukes to other countrys .

strange how every embassy of israel has set geiger counters crazy

Why should Israel have to ask permission for what two of their own created?

Oppenheimer, and Einstein which makes this kinda a funny as those evil zionsits!!!

We want your nukes!

Originally posted by union_jack
I wonder where Iran would appear on a world war three graph, if they did'nt have any oil..?

Libya have oil?

If Iran and Saudi wasn't playing the game of whose cooler that drives up OPEC oil they wouldn't even be on the WW3 map.

Which is what nukes are all about for them nuclear blackmail to make them more oil money.

And for those who dismiss the 'nuclear blackmail' why?

Working wonders for NK as the are getting bucket loads of cash doing it.

reply to post by neo96

There is really only one reason Iran is a 'problem' in the first place that is because of Russia, and China supplying arms, and technical support to them.

UN said a lot of things about what Israelites ”CAN NOT” while Israel gives a damn for what UN says, why shouldn't Iran..?

If this CAN NOT, SHOULD NOT continue this way eventually they'll be forced to ask for permission to fire “fire crackers” in their celebrations.

They are testing what is their right in their own damn country and in their own damn soil and borders. what is the problem with that?

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That isn't proof... In the very quote that you posted, the whole scenario is hinged on an 'if'.
Furthermore, it states that IF it was happening, the support appears to be "limited".

Either way, it isn't proof that Iran initiated an invasion.

Originally posted by Sovaka
From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

They held Americans hostage.

Originally posted by Miracula

Originally posted by Sovaka
From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

They held Americans hostage.

en.wikipedia.org...

On July 27, 1980, the former Shah died; then, in September, Iraq invaded Iran.

Think there is a relationship between Allah taking the Shah off the face of the earth while he did nothing about the hostages.

Think there is a relationship between the invasion that occur afterwards.

And now Iran has a Holocaust denier in office. And Russian and China are helping him.

Think there is a relationship to the meteor and the earthquakes in China and that even the pinnacle of Russian and Chinese society are willing to aid a Holocaust denying madman. What does that say about the mindset of the remaining, non-elite people in Russia and China. The uneducated. They would have to be animals.

Originally posted by Miracula

Originally posted by Sovaka
From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

They held Americans hostage.

and then they gave them back for a deal only for the US to break the deal

USA is the devil of the world, never trust the yankees, one day their own citizens will be victims of their evilness

Originally posted by Miracula

Originally posted by Sovaka
From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

They held Americans hostage.

Yeah, and they were lucky they didn't shoot the whole damned lot of them as payback for what the US installed puppet did to the people of Iran.

Most people seem to forget that it was the US and UK instigated overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran that has led to decades of strife. Not surprising though as it's not really recommended history!
And for what? Simply, because the Iranian government wanted to nationalize it's domestic oil business and not allow it to be run, and the profits go to, western oil companies! Such a crime!

Strange too (or maybe not) that those European and US talking heads and politicians calling the loudest for ever increasing sanctions against Iran, also bow down to Israeli orders, above and beyond what is good for their own people. I am old enough to have followed decades of this BS and can clearly see who the aggressors are, and it is not the people or state of Iran!

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There is really only one reason Iran is a 'problem' in the first place that is because of Russia, and China supplying arms, and technical support to them.

well....good for them. A little equilibrium won't hurt anyone. Nobody will fire nukes...as long as there are others who posses them.

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Russia is committed to sanctions, it has said that it will not give S300 to Iran but it may give it to Syria

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This is my take on it. The Iranian regime is no angel when it comes to proxy tactics and it's rhetoric but then look at the Western Nations and those in the Middle East who oppose Iran and you see the same thing. The encroachment upon Iran and it's own National interest and Security are tremendous. Israel has nukes in the Middle East for goodness sakes. Pakistan and India as well and look how unstable Pakistan is. Iran does not want to be influenced or bullied by the Western World. It has a right to arm itself, defend itself and to create a deterrent if it so chooses in my opinion. Israel and other Nations can so why can't Iran? Do I think it's a good idea that Iran have nukes? No! But the US and other Western Powers simply want to be able to have control and dominance in the region as they see fit and if Iran becomes a Nuclear power then the Western Leverage is limited. Something has to give here.

It has been obvious since the 70s that Nations in the Western Wold colluded with Israel to make them a Nuclear power in that region for there own self interests. Iran would no more use Nukes hastily than Israel would and Israel is off the rails more than half the time with the actions and demeanor it displays.

This is all about power and control over the Region. If no one can kick Iran or it's allies around in that region then that power becomes more balanced. Western Nations and allies don't want that because they can't control Iran then.

Just my opinion is all. I say take all of the nukes out of the Middle East and the rest of the world and problem solved but the reality is that will not happen ever so Iran and Nations like it need some sort of defense to prevent from being bullied or invaded. Even Israel deserves to defend itself in the same manner. There needs to be balance some how. It's not as simple as I see it though and many know that. There is far more going on in that region than people realize and mostly because of the past history and due to other Nations sticking there noses into the affairs of that region.

Originally posted by neo96
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Why is it so bad to allow Iran to defend itself?

From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

Haven't look too closely at the history of the middle east of the last 40 years.

Proxy wars in Afghanistan,Iraq,Syria,Lebanon.

So Iran should be stopped for doing these things be America and Israel should be allowed to do it for as much as they want.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by geobro
so it is ok for israel to test fire a ballistic missile that can go 5000k and is not a member of the atomic club .

but wo little iran that is circled by u.s bases tests a missile ,

.

not only that look at a map of sunni v shia pretty much surrounded both ways .

they got nukes years ago i bet just like the u.s.a gave nukes to other countrys .

strange how every embassy of israel has set geiger counters crazy

Why should Israel have to ask permission for what two of their own created?

Oppenheimer, and Einstein which makes this kinda a funny as those evil zionsits!!!

We want your nukes!

Neither Oppenheimer or Einstein were Israeli. And if Israel is so good at building nukes then why do they have to steal American tech?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Sovaka

 

Why is it so bad to allow Iran to defend itself?

From my memory in the last 50 years Iran has not invaded, aggressively subverted or covertly attacked any other nation.

Haven't look too closely at the history of the middle east of the last 40 years.

Proxy wars in Afghanistan,Iraq,Syria,Lebanon.

What about the CIA coup in Iran back in the 50's? Did you forget about that one, lol. Iran has every right to defend itself against any perceived threats such as Israel or the US and it's allies. Just as Israel and the US are doing right now with all their rhetoric towards Iran. Do you think Israel would give up it's nuclear weapons program given that it's surrounded by countries that aren't exactly in love with them? It's called a double standard.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by geobro
so it is ok for israel to test fire a ballistic missile that can go 5000k and is not a member of the atomic club .

but wo little iran that is circled by u.s bases tests a missile ,

.

not only that look at a map of sunni v shia pretty much surrounded both ways .

they got nukes years ago i bet just like the u.s.a gave nukes to other countrys .

strange how every embassy of israel has set geiger counters crazy

Why should Israel have to ask permission for what two of their own created?

Oppenheimer, and Einstein which makes this kinda a funny as those evil zionsits!!!

We want your nukes!

If you start down that road saying that every jew is an Israeli then shouldn't every country make sure that if a person is jewish he or she should never be allowed into a position of power or have access to any intellectual secrets of that country as they will be more loyal to israel then there host country?

Albert Einstein wrote in a letter to American Friends of the Fighters for the Freedom of Israel shortly after the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre and referred to the Irgun - led by Menachem Begin, later a Prime Minister of Israel, and the Stern Gang, where Yitzhak Shamir, also a future Prime Minister of Israel, was a member - as a terrorist organization, and refused to support these "misled and criminal people."

Albert Einstein, Sidney Hook, Hannah Arendt and twenty five other prominent Jews, in a letter to The New York Times (December 4, 1948), condemned Menachem Begin's and Yitzhak Shamir's Likud party as "fascist" and espousing "an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism and racial superiority."

It is clear that Albert Einstein did not support political Zionism and opposed a "Jewish State" based on an ethnic or racial basis. His political views were remarkably consistent and supported universal human rights. He was opposed to war and chauvinistic ethnic nationalism. Today Einstein is a revered as a political and scientific icon. However, many unfortunately forget his wise words on the issue of Palestine and its conflict with political Zionism.

Einstein was defiantly not an Israeli and wouldn't have been pleased to have been claimed as one.

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Neither Oppenheimer or Einstein were Israeli. And if Israel is so good at building nukes then why do they have to steal American tech?

Is that right:

Oppenheimer was born in New York City on April 22, 1904, to Julius Oppenheimer, a wealthy Jewish textile importer who had immigrated to the United States from Germany in 1888

en.wikipedia.org...

And:

The Einsteins were non-observant Jews.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yeah because a 'Jewish state didn't exist then'.

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What about the CIA coup in Iran back in the 50's?

What about it?

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, and its head of government Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[4

en.wikipedia.org...

Orchestraded by the UK and Operation boot I love that people want to lay that all on the US

Really

That was all over a company that everyone calls BP today that stands for British Petroleum you know that is the one with 'oil spills' and such.