New York school drops Michelle Obama lunch standards: Kids too hungry

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by ShadeWolf
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Public willingness doesn't enter the equation, far as I'm concerned. It's an empirical fact that Americans are getting fatter and more unhealthy. Something needs to be done about that, and if it comes down to the government having to force it, then that's how it has to be.

So there are no limits to where Government should respect a boundary in a free nation vs. doing whatever is required for the health of the people it's being done to or with?

That seems the very opposite of freedom. "We're going to make you healthy even if your quality of life becomes crap to do it'? That doesn't sound the route to go. In fact, it sounds like it's teaching the kids more of the same they've been getting by the truck load. Obey, Comply and never stand out of express individuality. Even in the lunch room, it seems. Obey, Comply and don't even THINK about asking for a french fry.

America is not lacking French fries or options which really takes away from the implied drama of your statements.

America is suffering from an epidemic of disease and obesity however...

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Pack lunches imo.

That's what I ate when growing up. Kids have to eat the lunch you pack them if you don't give them money to buy lunch. Simple solution that didn't need to involve government at all for those who want their kids to eat healthy and if they aren't eating their lunch you can be much more hands on in finding something healthy they will eat than anyone else could be.

Some reality.

Parents have a choice of whether to send kids to school to eat school lunches / dinners or to give them money for snack bars etc or give them packed lunches.

There is and should be a governing authority over which foods schools that are state or privately run provide to children, it is an ethical standard that is there for safeguarding the welfare of children.

Schools should never have been allowed the serving of junk food in the first place.

The governing authority should always maintain healthy food is served to children in schools, for the sake of their health.

Just as the books they are supplied, the educational content of their lessons is carefully chosen, the health and safety of the facilities and the buildings etc, all these things are there for protection of children, and rightly so. It stands to reason that the food should also be chosen carefully with health and safety in mind, as well as how food affects children, their growth, their physical and mental development and their ability to concentrate and learn.

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I agree for the most part. This is only an issue from an economic perspective. No one is forcing kids to eat anything and parents regardless of their concerns with the menu still have the option of packing lunches.

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that they can be quite finicky when it comes to their food. They will refuse to eat rather than eat something they consider "yucky". At home you can prepare certain foods in different ways until you find one that makes the food tasty to the child, but such methods are impractical in an institutional setting such as a school where foods must be prepared in mass quantity.

As children get older their tastes change and they are more open to trying different foods, but when young most children refuse to budge in their likes and dislikes and would rather go hungry than eat something that seems disgusting to them. Being a mother herself it seems like the First Lady would have understood this- unless she left the raising of her kids to others up until she was in the national spotlight, which would explain a lot!

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. This is only true for parents who let their kids run their household. If you let a kid choose, yes, they would rather eat cookies, candy, and pizza every single day. But they will eat whatever you prepare for them once they understand that is all they are getting.

This is a problem with our society, we cave into our children's stubbornness. That is all that is going on with this lunch program as well. There is a reason that many children in this country are fat...it's because when a program like this is suggested...the adults give into the crying of spoiled brats.

I know that's right firemonkey... tellum.

My kids often try to not eat the food when I fix their plates and walk away from the table. When they're taking too long, or I hear them playing, I get my butt up, walk over there. I notice they're only eaten what they want to eat. "You better eat the rest of that food" and I stand there until they've eaten it. No back talk, you get popped. And I better not see you trying to play, make faces, giggle, lor laugh until there's no food left on your plate. Once all 3 of them are done, they can all get up, and continue being kids.

A lack of discipline is what's needed with those children is all. Stop giving into the kids wishes and wants, and maybe the kids will follow parental and "grown folk" guidance as they're supposed to. Eat the food I give you... not what you want because it tastes good. And be happy that you don't have to buy your own food.

I realize they are too hungry, but perhaps we should keep the kids on that menu. It will condition them to learn to live without much to eat. Get them used to a Marxist-Socialist system that our nation is becomming.

Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by firemonkey

 

Back in the "old days" kids ate the food that was on the table or they didn't eat, those kids I'm pretty sure were a lot less picky but American society is pretty far removed from that time now so it's easier said then done these days.

Pigs also eat whatever is put in front of them. Picky eaters tend to stay thinner then those who eat everything put in front of them.

I guess it may be fun for some to sit back and wag their fingers but where I come from the kids on the school lunch programs are almost 100% from low income families and the lunch they get at school is often the ONLY meal they have all day. That is why a breakfast program was added awhile back. Even if these kids are lucky enough to eat at home their parents don't have the time, money or even the knowledge in how to provide proper nutrition. This whole issue runs way deeper than most of the conjecture here.

While she eats her face off, a growing boy or girl who needs nurishment gets a wilted carrot

Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that they can be quite finicky when it comes to their food. They will refuse to eat rather than eat something they consider "yucky". At home you can prepare certain foods in different ways until you find one that makes the food tasty to the child, but such methods are impractical in an institutional setting such as a school where foods must be prepared in mass quantity.

As children get older their tastes change and they are more open to trying different foods, but when young most children refuse to budge in their likes and dislikes and would rather go hungry than eat something that seems disgusting to them. Being a mother herself it seems like the First Lady would have understood this- unless she left the raising of her kids to others up until she was in the national spotlight, which would explain a lot!

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. This is only true for parents who let their kids run their household. If you let a kid choose, yes, they would rather eat cookies, candy, and pizza every single day. But they will eat whatever you prepare for them once they understand that is all they are getting.

This is a problem with our society, we cave into our children's stubbornness. That is all that is going on with this lunch program as well. There is a reason that many children in this country are fat...it's because when a program like this is suggested...the adults give into the crying of spoiled brats.

I know that's right firemonkey... tellum.

My kids often try to not eat the food when I fix their plates and walk away from the table. When they're taking too long, or I hear them playing, I get my butt up, walk over there. I notice they're only eaten what they want to eat. "You better eat the rest of that food" and I stand there until they've eaten it. No back talk, you get popped. And I better not see you trying to play, make faces, giggle, lor laugh until there's no food left on your plate. Once all 3 of them are done, they can all get up, and continue being kids.

A lack of discipline is what's needed with those children is all. Stop giving into the kids wishes and wants, and maybe the kids will follow parental and "grown folk" guidance as they're supposed to. Eat the food I give you... not what you want because it tastes good. And be happy that you don't have to buy your own food.

Talk about a bullying mindset that makes me think you have a low sense of self. If your kids do not want to eat what you give them then you probably are a horrible cook. It is not like it is hard to feed even a picky eater healthy food and I know because I was one and my mom was really good at cooking. All people are different and have different taste buds and they even change during aging. And I was very thin and tall and needed a lot of food to grow and did not eat at school when It did not suit me. I did not like hambugers either when I was young so do not tell me because you are picky means you want unhealthy because that do not need to be the case.

You want respect then you should motivate people so they think you earn the respect. Just because you are older than your kids do not mean you are wiser or right.

I dunno... I still see a lot of skinny kids around. Maybe there are more fat kids than there used to be, but I just think certain people are gonna be fat and certain people are gonna be skinny. It has to do with exercises too. And what they eat at home. I went to school just about 10 years before all this concern and there were plenty of athletes, being fit was something everyone wanted, but there were a few fat kids. The lunches had pizza on some days. But if we didn't want the "hot meal" that was offered, there were turkey and cheese sandwhichesavailabke that were awesome especially with hoagie bread...and salad, and other stuff.

I think its mostly what they're doing after school and what they're eating after school. Some parents load up the house with soda and cookies and let the kids go wild. No matter what you do to school lunch its not going to fix that.

And yes, your lunch does need to "power" you for after school too. Lunch is around 11:30 or noon and school gets out just 2 or 3 hours later and some kids go straight to football practice and even the ones who go home don't eat dinner until 6 or 7. If humans eat an average of 3 meals a day, then your second meal needs to get you through to your 3rd, right? After school snacks are optional, not everyone has that. Of course if my kid was in sports I would send some extra snack or something. But lunch is lunch. Just because you eat it at school, doesn't mean its now only supposed to get you through the next 2 hours. That's not lunch.

Food is important. If you don't like the food you're eating, you're not gonna be a happy person. That doesn't mean let the kids eat junk constantly, but turkey sandwiches and pizza and salads is not junk food... People are getting smarter about soda and its up to parents to teach their kids not to drink it all the time. But I'd have no problem if they took the soda out of schools. It's absolute junk. Or maybe have the machines only turned on one or two days a week... If they want soda that bad they can bring it from home and get some ice or something in a cup to cool it... Juice is better anyway! But seriously, if the kids aren't happy, and its costing 3 billion, just let the lunches go back to normal with only minimal restrictions.

If the parents can't keep their kid healthy, there's nothing a school lunch can do to change that...the school lunch was never the problem.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Indigo5

 

I'd trust my local PTA and School Board, not to mention State board to make nutritional decisions before some fat cat (in Michelle's case, that's not all figurative either) in Washington.

You know the fat cats aren't restricted to Washington, right? There's corruption and special deals done all over the US, with local authorities making very lucrative deals on their own.

You're absolutely right and the United States was formed as a nation with that in mind. We were formed as a Representative Republic with a weak central Government so problems on the local level could be dealt with on the local level. The closer to the people the ruling bodies are, the more accessible they are. It doesn't always work that way, but access to Congress is a total ZERO....and outright out of the question for normal people outside your own rep.

The evil we can see and reach is always better than the distant one we can't even see.

I absolutely agree, and I have long believed that as a species we are better off in smaller communities with reachable and accountable government.

But, this doesn't change the facts of the situation we find ourselves in. Small government or large, they abuse their positions for personal gain and have repeatedly sold their own public to line their own pockets.

It's great having a nice vision of how things should be, but that's not the world we have. There is massive corruption at the state and national level across all branches of governance, regardless of party, regardless of culture or class... it doesn't matter. There are too many people able to make a lucrative deal and who are willing to damage the health of their electorate for a few hundred thousand $'s.

Food is vital, diet is fundamental, the health of the US population is appalling and parents don't know how to feed their kids properly. That's the truth. Corporations have stolen control of the industry, pumping out trash that should never be entering the Human body. Parents put convenience and affordability at a higher priority than the health of their own children.

Whatever you want to say about Obama, the government or anything else, Michelle Obama has made a genuine effort to improve this situation. Supporting that doesn't mean you have to support everything the government or Obama does.

I just think a lot of people have had a knee-jerk response to this for purely political reasons, ignoring common sense and actual science just because it came from the White House. People are supporting massive corruption of the food business aimed at their children because they have a political agenda.

I don't think anything will change until your military is having to make do with signing up lard asses with breathing problems and heart defects. Maybe when the only army you can raise is a wheezing mess of bloated and sweating men someone might wake up and decide to do something about it?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Yep, big fat American parents want their kids to be just like Momma and Poppa. Gross,obese daibetics. What a fool Michelle was to try and get America healthy.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Without going into specifics of her plan (which I'm sure was great /end sarcasm) the fact is, the food being distributed to schools for these lunch and breakfast programs are horrible, horrible, food that is setting up a whole generation of kids to be overweight with diabetes.

Parents. Do your kids just eat healthy food like vegetables, or do you have to make them? Kids are programmed now to crave fast food, and that's the crap they get at school, fast food processed garbage.

But, I forgot, in the US pizza and ketchup are vegetables, and so are french fries.

I have no clue what Michelle had tried, but the system as it stands is killing your kids. Poor kids disproportionally. If you give kids options like pizza, a burger, french fries, it really doesn't matter what healthy option you put up there, they will pick the crap.

And it's sad, you CAN feed them pizza and all of that, if you make it with whole, unprocessed, ingredients. But that's not "cost effective".

Sure, a few billion to Israel. Sure, a few billion to Egypt. But a few billion to ensure your kids get actual food with nutrients? Forget that. Damn commies.

Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that they can be quite finicky when it comes to their food. They will refuse to eat rather than eat something they consider "yucky". At home you can prepare certain foods in different ways until you find one that makes the food tasty to the child, but such methods are impractical in an institutional setting such as a school where foods must be prepared in mass quantity.

As children get older their tastes change and they are more open to trying different foods, but when young most children refuse to budge in their likes and dislikes and would rather go hungry than eat something that seems disgusting to them. Being a mother herself it seems like the First Lady would have understood this- unless she left the raising of her kids to others up until she was in the national spotlight, which would explain a lot!

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. This is only true for parents who let their kids run their household. If you let a kid choose, yes, they would rather eat cookies, candy, and pizza every single day. But they will eat whatever you prepare for them once they understand that is all they are getting.

This is a problem with our society, we cave into our children's stubbornness. That is all that is going on with this lunch program as well. There is a reason that many children in this country are fat...it's because when a program like this is suggested...the adults give into the crying of spoiled brats.

I know that's right firemonkey... tellum.

My kids often try to not eat the food when I fix their plates and walk away from the table. When they're taking too long, or I hear them playing, I get my butt up, walk over there. I notice they're only eaten what they want to eat. "You better eat the rest of that food" and I stand there until they've eaten it. No back talk, you get popped. And I better not see you trying to play, make faces, giggle, lor laugh until there's no food left on your plate. Once all 3 of them are done, they can all get up, and continue being kids.

A lack of discipline is what's needed with those children is all. Stop giving into the kids wishes and wants, and maybe the kids will follow parental and "grown folk" guidance as they're supposed to. Eat the food I give you... not what you want because it tastes good. And be happy that you don't have to buy your own food.

Force-feeding your children will lead to one thing: Obesity and an unhealthy relationship with food. Try putting smaller portions on their plates, rather than stubbornly standing over them as they cram unwanted food into their mouths like some sort of foie gras goose. It's not about how much money you spent on the meal. It's about how much food they need to function without overeating. Do you actually WANT your kids' stomachs to grow bigger than they need to? Wake up.

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I think its mostly what they're doing after school and what they're eating after school. Some parents load up the house with soda and cookies and let the kids go wild. No matter what you do to school lunch its not going to fix that.

And what do you think the school lunch programs are feeding them? I suggest you watch an episode of "Food Revolution", even on mute if you have to. You'll see exactly what options those kids now have at school for food, and keep in mind, that's only what they allowed to air.

The processed garbage they feed the kids at school is loaded with sugar, sodium and preservatives. In some cases, a single school lunch could be giving you enough calories and sodium for a whole week. And the kids don't know. They don't know it's bad for them, they don't know that soda is one of the worst things you can give a child.

Sugar milk, donuts, cinnamon rolls, sugar laced cereal.... mmm breakfast of champions. Then lets have some soda and pizza with processed cheese and sodium laced sauce for lunch, with a side of greasy french fries.

some of these school systems actually have deals with fast food and soda companies. Allowing kids to drink coke products at any time during class when some of the places even had no food or drink in class policies.

It's NOT the same as it was when you were going to school. Remember when chicken was good for you? Yeah, US produced chicken is no longer good for you, it's no longer the healthy choice. When you went to school there was a cafeteria that actually cooked food. Now they have microwaves, and processed crap. In some cases they aren't even allowed to serve anything fresh that wasn't supplied by one of the companies with a contract.

I wouldn't feed my cats the garbage they are feeding your kids. And since they aren't educating kids on food or healthy lifestyles, at all, it's up to the parents who came from the same system, who don't understand that a frozen box of chicken dinners is NOT the same as cooking a chicken breast.

If you want a conspiracy, take a look at the war on kids right now, the front lines are the food products being fed to them, they are starting life at a disadvantage and are simply too young and uneducated to understand it.

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that they can be quite finicky when it comes to their food. They will refuse to eat rather than eat something they consider "yucky". At home you can prepare certain foods in different ways until you find one that makes the food tasty to the child, but such methods are impractical in an institutional setting such as a school where foods must be prepared in mass quantity.

As children get older their tastes change and they are more open to trying different foods, but when young most children refuse to budge in their likes and dislikes and would rather go hungry than eat something that seems disgusting to them. Being a mother herself it seems like the First Lady would have understood this- unless she left the raising of her kids to others up until she was in the national spotlight, which would explain a lot!

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. This is only true for parents who let their kids run their household. If you let a kid choose, yes, they would rather eat cookies, candy, and pizza every single day. But they will eat whatever you prepare for them once they understand that is all they are getting.

This is a problem with our society, we cave into our children's stubbornness. That is all that is going on with this lunch program as well. There is a reason that many children in this country are fat...it's because when a program like this is suggested...the adults give into the crying of spoiled brats.

I know that's right firemonkey... tellum.

My kids often try to not eat the food when I fix their plates and walk away from the table. When they're taking too long, or I hear them playing, I get my butt up, walk over there. I notice they're only eaten what they want to eat. "You better eat the rest of that food" and I stand there until they've eaten it. No back talk, you get popped. And I better not see you trying to play, make faces, giggle, lor laugh until there's no food left on your plate. Once all 3 of them are done, they can all get up, and continue being kids.

A lack of discipline is what's needed with those children is all. Stop giving into the kids wishes and wants, and maybe the kids will follow parental and "grown folk" guidance as they're supposed to. Eat the food I give you... not what you want because it tastes good. And be happy that you don't have to buy your own food.

Talk about a bullying mindset that makes me think you have a low sense of self. If your kids do not want to eat what you give them then you probably are a horrible cook. It is not like it is hard to feed even a picky eater healthy food and I know because I was one and my mom was really good at cooking. All people are different and have different taste buds and they even change during aging. And I was very thin and tall and needed a lot of food to grow and did not eat at school when It did not suit me. I did not like hambugers either when I was young so do not tell me because you are picky means you want unhealthy because that do not need to be the case.

You want respect then you should motivate people so they think you earn the respect. Just because you are older than your kids do not mean you are wiser or right.

I'm not even going to read anything after your second sentence. Bullying? Because I'm raising my kids to eat their veggies? Get a life first of all. Second of all... it's better than saying "whatever... don't eat... I'm going be lazy and watch TV. Or even... I'm too busy to care that my children only ate approximately 200 calories.

Don't sit here and attack me and then call me a bully because I maintain a disciplined structure in my household. I could sit here and say something to the effect of "your kids probably run all over you", but I'm above that childish behavior. I don't know what you do in your household, and I won't judge you as you have me. If you don't like what I said, then so be it... but don't attack me saying I'm a bully and a horrible cook.

By the way, they do the same thing at restaurants. I'm teaching my kids to eat healthy, show etiquite at the dinner table, and be respectful by staying in place until all at the table are done eating. If you don't want you household structured like mine... that's your perogative.

Thank you!

Originally posted by IBelieveInAliens

Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that they can be quite finicky when it comes to their food. They will refuse to eat rather than eat something they consider "yucky". At home you can prepare certain foods in different ways until you find one that makes the food tasty to the child, but such methods are impractical in an institutional setting such as a school where foods must be prepared in mass quantity.

As children get older their tastes change and they are more open to trying different foods, but when young most children refuse to budge in their likes and dislikes and would rather go hungry than eat something that seems disgusting to them. Being a mother herself it seems like the First Lady would have understood this- unless she left the raising of her kids to others up until she was in the national spotlight, which would explain a lot!

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. This is only true for parents who let their kids run their household. If you let a kid choose, yes, they would rather eat cookies, candy, and pizza every single day. But they will eat whatever you prepare for them once they understand that is all they are getting.

This is a problem with our society, we cave into our children's stubbornness. That is all that is going on with this lunch program as well. There is a reason that many children in this country are fat...it's because when a program like this is suggested...the adults give into the crying of spoiled brats.

I know that's right firemonkey... tellum.

My kids often try to not eat the food when I fix their plates and walk away from the table. When they're taking too long, or I hear them playing, I get my butt up, walk over there. I notice they're only eaten what they want to eat. "You better eat the rest of that food" and I stand there until they've eaten it. No back talk, you get popped. And I better not see you trying to play, make faces, giggle, lor laugh until there's no food left on your plate. Once all 3 of them are done, they can all get up, and continue being kids.

A lack of discipline is what's needed with those children is all. Stop giving into the kids wishes and wants, and maybe the kids will follow parental and "grown folk" guidance as they're supposed to. Eat the food I give you... not what you want because it tastes good. And be happy that you don't have to buy your own food.

Force-feeding your children will lead to one thing: Obesity and an unhealthy relationship with food. Try putting smaller portions on their plates, rather than stubbornly standing over them as they cram unwanted food into their mouths like some sort of foie gras goose. It's not about how much money you spent on the meal. It's about how much food they need to function without overeating. Do you actually WANT your kids' stomachs to grow bigger than they need to? Wake up.

So my kids eating only the chicken on the plate is healthier than eating the green beans, and rice as well? Are you suggesting that instead of placing 2 small cut cubes of chicken breast, 1 heaping teaspoon of rice, and 1 heaping teaspoon of corn, I should only put one cube of chicken? and a half teaspoon of the others? They'll only eat that one piece of chicken and then ask for more... like they do every day even with 2. I say, no... eat the rest then you can have more. Don't assume I overfeed my children because they don't want their veggies and rice. Yes I force them to eat it.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth


I wouldn't know the items on Michelle Obama's plan but I say give them healthy food and no choice, same for at home, kids will eat healthy if healthy is all they are given.

I have three kids 5, 8, 9. I have had a large vegetable garden since they were babies...Strawberries, Rasberries, Broccolli, Asparagus, Zuccinni, Cucumbers, Spinach, Kale, Tomatoes, Cherry Tomatoes, blackberries, watermelons, Pumpkins Bell peppers, Basil, Oregeno and other spices, String Beans, Sugar snap peas etc. etc.

My children LOVE the garden...they know everything about growing food. I have to actually reprimand them for stuffing thier face in the garden before dinner! They collect thier own veggies and make thier own salads. My youngests favorite is Asparagus...the other loves Broccoli...and everyone loves the Rasberries and Sugar Snap Peas and String Beans!

Veggies are like treats to them...and yes they love ice cream and Pizza too...but they know it is for special occassions.

I don't live on a farm...I live in a crowded suburb.

Teach and feed your kids right and the rewards are huge...less illness, less disease later in life, better school performance...my kids make me look stupid....they all are great athletes...

You would be absolutely shocked at how much Kids love fresh Veggies and fruit when they are invested in them...planting the seeds, tending the garden, watching it grow, learning about how to grow things...and pigging out with ear to ear grins when those things ripen.

Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

This really sickens me. We have a nation of little fat future diabetes cases and we come out with a menu to make them not so fat and diabetic. They complain. "Waah... these aren't Twinkies and pizza! Waaaah this is enough to only feed one normal child!"

So what do we do? We give them back their pizza and soda. Freakin' disgusting. Any parent who can't get their kid to eat a carrot over a hot dog is not trying hard enough. It's their lives we are talking about.

People just want to complain because of who it's coming from. It's simply a prejudice stemming from political bias. It's not like anybody is forcing them to eat school meals. It's simply a food pyramid targeting a healthy life style. Yet people say it's more control. I remember learning all about the food pyramid in school. Nobody complained about that did they? I'm sure if Paula Deen made a Butter and Oil soup with bacon doughnuts all the parents complaining would be silent.