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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by beezzer
Originally posted by beezzer
Where skin colour is irrelevant,
Do you think there may have been a celebration or two when black people were first permitted to serve in the regular Army?
Would you have criticized it?
DOD Celebrates African American History Month
It's people celebrating our history as a country! Inclusion is something for us ALL to celebrate! Gay people aren't the only ones who celebrate Gay Pride, any more than blacks are the only ones who celebrate Black History or Christians are the only ones who celebrate Christmas. It's all part of our nation's history. Would you only have us celebrate white Christian history?
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by beezzer
I dont think Gays in the Military are going to use "this day" as their day of Holiday. It was just a day that showed they didn't have to hide who they were anymore.
I am seriously hoping as a species we can get past this issue.
One day people will be able to look at my Gay Cousin in the Military and look at her as just another soldier doing her Job, not the "everyone knows shes gay" soldier, complete with the looks and mumblings under their breaths.
Unfortunately, it still happening.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sonnny1
It is divisive. It separates. It isolates. It focuses on the differences instead of the commonalities.
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sonnny1
It is divisive. It separates. It isolates. It focuses on the differences instead of the commonalities.
Never mind that this is one of the first wars in which minorities weren't either shoved into a separate platoon which participate in suicide missions, or were at very least thrown into the frontlines of battle as well as every marching party's flank.
That's beside the point, right?
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Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sonnny1
It is divisive. It separates. It isolates. It focuses on the differences instead of the commonalities.
Never mind that this is one of the first wars in which minorities weren't either shoved into a separate platoon which participate in suicide missions, or were at very least thrown into the frontlines of battle as well as every marching party's flank.
That's beside the point, right?
edit on 7-7-2013 by HairlessApe because: (no reason given)
What's your point?
Originally posted by beezzer
I'll concede that point. As long as EVERYONE is invited to such an event, then it would be inclusive.
Originally posted by HairlessApe
My point is that we shouldn't pretend everyone is equal in the Army. They aren't. And people are still fighting for their rights. The fact that we're fighting doesn't mean we should forget that idea - the people organizing their platoons clearly keep it close-in-mind.
Not to mention the fact that the only reason the wars we're in are even somewhat justifiable is because one tyrant was attacking minority groups (referring to the poisonous gas used on hundreds of thousands of Kurds) and another tyrant attacked us on our homeland for our person beliefs.
I thought it would have been obvious at this point that sticking to your guns on what you stand for plays a very large role in all of this.
edit on 7-7-2013 by HairlessApe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why would you even imply that these events are exclusive?
Originally posted by neo96
That has ZERO PLACE IN A WAR ZONE.
The pandering has got to end.
Save the GD politics for the states.
Originally posted by Domo1
Perhaps this isn't actually about the Taliban and our involvement in Afghanistan, but about our troops who serve THE SAME as the rest that are finally allowed to be themselves without fear of reprisal.
If that makes our enemy think we're, weak who cares? If anything, that's good. I have a feeling a lot of tough guys spouting anti homosexual nonsense on this site would get the crap beat our of them by most gay guys/lesbians.
Should we just remove all the women serving so the Taliban doesn't think we're soft? It's hysterical to me that gays and women are helping to kick the crap out of 'em. It reminds me of Hitler's boxer getting squashed by a black guy.
People upset over homosexuals sound far more like candy asses to me than any mincing gay guy in uniform. Grow up.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by HairlessApe
My point is that we shouldn't pretend everyone is equal in the Army. They aren't. And people are still fighting for their rights. The fact that we're fighting doesn't mean we should forget that idea - the people organizing their platoons clearly keep it close-in-mind.
That is changing. To further point out the differences though, slows the process.
Not to mention the fact that the only reason the wars we're in are even somewhat justifiable is because one tyrant was attacking minority groups (referring to the poisonous gas used on hundreds of thousands of Kurds) and another tyrant attacked us on our homeland for our person beliefs.
I thought it would have been obvious at this point that sticking to your guns on what you stand for plays a very large role in all of this.
edit on 7-7-2013 by HairlessApe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why would you even imply that these events are exclusive?
Because they are often tied to political events/political motivations that are exclusive.
Well for the gay members in the military and the command, obviously yes, it is important.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by HairlessApe
Right. Now you're just being obtuse.
Look, I think it's a bad idea in a war zone, it sends mixed messages. There is political ideologies attached, if you can't see that then the fault lies with you.
I'll personally concede the point (as I have) and say do whatever. As long as the mission gets accomplished (whatever that mixed mission goal is) then fine.