This site is filled with Reactionaries

Originally posted by Foreverseeking
reply to post by Ghost375

 

Marriage equality threads often bring out conservative reactionaries.

And from a civil liberties perspective, it makes no sense to me that they get so passionate about an important civil right being made available to others.

When rights are expanded to cover more people, it doesn't take away from other people's rights. Unless the reactionaries believe they have a right to lord over others and that right is being curtailed.

I believe that reactionary attitudes toward gay rights are rooted in animus against the gay community. What else could it be?

Funny. Because abortion threads offer the same thing. Only those that are pro-abortion tend to keep civil rights away from pre-natal children.

Originally posted by Ghost375
I have to say....many of you are responding exactly how I'd imagine a reactionary to respond to being called a reactionary.

For every ACTION there is a reaction..........

I would have gave you the Star and Flag this type of topic deserves, but having A BIASED one way reasoning, puts the whole process of thought into a one way mud slinging contest.

Kudos for getting the "reaction" you wanted.

Also the Site that you have derived as a source does have objectionable characteristics.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Oh another "woe is me" partisan thread by a Democrat.

I've never voted for a democrat.

I don't think people are realizing that Reactionary doesn't really involve how people react. It's a label for a particular set of political views. The reactivity is really a side issue that seems to occur from people who hold these particular viewpoints.

I don't know if I didn't explain it well enough, or you guys aren't bothering to read what is actually written in the OP and source. Probably a little of both.

This thread is hilarious really it is.

Calling people out because of bias as we all have it. but the real kicker is this:

This site is filled with Reactionaries

Someone saw fit to create a 'reactionary thread'.

Pot meet kettle.

reply to post by Ghost375

"Ghost",
A former member, "JeanPaulZodeau" used to reply in such threads and eduacate the Op, one-up the Op, out writ the Op with an ending like "reactionary indeed".
All within T&Cs and a very kind heart always because he was a genious at many things.
Be assured your argument would be professionally debunked, you would have no response but to star his reply admitting defeat totally...
You can search the his username and see examples in 2009-2010...before you joined.
I think health and life changes required him leave ATS as a member.
You are not as smart as you think.

reply to post by Ghost375


It could easily be said this site is filled with Radicalism, which is the political opposite of your Reactionary thread title, but that would be HIGHLY misleading, right?

I don't have a Biased website that you could poke holes in, to give to you though.......

And yes, It is customary to give both sides of the spectrum, to let others glean what they want from it.

And yes, for every action there is a reaction.

For those that agree with this hogwash, maybe your political assumptions are more Radical then you might know.......

reply to post by Granite


Sound like you are admitting to being a closet reactionary, without even knowing it.

reply to post by sonnny1


Radicalism is the essence of Reactionary in the age of Totalitarian Collectivism www.batr.org...

reply to post by sonnny1


See no problems with this:

States' Rights, Articles of Confederation, Local vs. Federal, Republic Form Representation, Limit Suffrage, Property Rights, Individualism

Or this:

America-First Heritage, Defense of Borders, Non Interventionist, Oppose Internationalism, Limit Foreign Treaties, Avoid Alliances, No Foreign Aid, Stop Immigration -

Oh damn the horror

Entrepreneur Merchants, Domestic Autonomy, Honest Money, Promote Thrift, Limit Corporations, Balance Budgets -

How Dare they!

Defend Bill of Rights, States' Supremacy, Orginalist Jurists, Right of Secession, Sunset Laws, Restrict Lawyers -

Individual Bill of Rights, Anti Patriot Act, Equal Protection Under Law, Natural Rights -

Rejects Egalitarian Myth, Accepts Natural Differences, Opposes Special Treatment

Legalized Theft, Abolish IRS, Consumption and Excise Tax, Pro Tariffs, Repeal Income Tax -

Abolish Public School Education, Pro Home Schooling, Reject Media Propaganda -

What the hell is not to like about 'reactionaries' ?

Sound better than the progressive fascists currently in power.

reply to post by neo96


neo96 gets it !!!!

reply to post by neo96



This thread is built on Radicalism designed to bait those into arguing which way they stand.

Its as dishonest as the link calling people "Uncle Toms".......

Nuff said. I wont give it another post......

Originally posted by Ghost375
I think we all knew this site has Conservative tendencies, but recently I realized this site houses a specific type of conservative, Reactionaries.

But you cannot say that this website is "filled with reactionaries" because the description fits less than the majority of posters.

Merriam Webster defines them as:

relating to, marked by, or favoring reaction; especially : ultraconservative in politics

Another source I found describes them in more detail, and I think you will agree, it describes the majority of people on this site rather well:

“Reactionary (or reactionist) is a political epithet typically applied to extreme ideological conservatism, especially that which wishes to return to a real or imagined old order of things, and which is willing to use coercive means to do so. The term is primarily used as a term of opprobrium (groups rarely identify themselves as reactionary), meant to assert the idea that the opposition is based in merely reflexive politics rather than responsive and informed views. More specifically, the term "reactionary" is frequently used to refer to those who want to reverse (or prevent) some form of claimed "progressive" change.

These descriptions fail to account for a significant proportion of this websites membership. How many people on this website did not trust George Bush, did not believe what they were told by the media about certain events leading up to the war in Iraq, the war itself, the reasons for going? An ultra-conservative would believe that any excuse to stain sand with the blood of "strange foriegn types" would be a good excuse, believe blindly in any story told them by Bush, and wouldnt question anything that was preceeded by a fifteen second display of the star spangled banner. You could tell them that from next week, gravity will be reduced to save money, and they would start wearing lead boots, if you played some marching music and asked the announcer to put a 1950's lilt in his voice.

Then they rephrase it as(site was seemingly written by a reactionary): A Reactionary is a rational moralist combating cultural and political insanity.

I think they would favor the second description, even if both are rather accurate.

source


That source has a chart that compares Reactionaries, Neocons, Progressives, and Fascists.
For government, they choose state's rights and individualism.
For Foreign policy, they are very American centered and oppose immigration.
For taxes, very anti-tax in all forms.
For education, they generally support homeschooling, and oppose the public school system.

I won't go into all the details, but I find the chart to be very descriptive and accurate of the people on this site.


You can see how people who hold these political views, received the name reactionary. Look at this site. People respond very reactively, particularly those who hold these ultraconservative views.
They sit around waiting for something to respond to. When something happens they don't like, they respond vigorously.


None of this is necessarily good or bad, it just is.
Know thyself.

Knowing oneself does not cause a person to place others in boxes. It is a deep lack of self knowledge, which informs a persons need to do this, a total lack of self awareness, which leads a person to desire simple answers to complicated questions, like how the demographic of a website works in reality for instance. The truth is there are left leaning socialists here, massively right wing doom cultists too, and every stereotype in between, all contributing to this one massive edifice which you and I know as ATS. Knowing oneself leads to a total absence of that need to know everyones "type". If you know yourself, you dont need to know how a group of people you will never meet, tick. Hell, if you really know yourself, thats about all you need to know at all!

I just found it interesting that the more research I did on reactionaries, the more accurate I found the term to apply to the people on this site.

Dont get me wrong. I can understand why you might make an error of this sort, but an error it surely is. Like I said, there are literally all sorts here, a fact of which we should be intensely proud as a community of people. The term is not accurate, unless you are willing to be accused, rightly, of tarring a great mass of people, with a brush they do not deserve to be marked with.

reply to post by neo96


Thank you for actually reading it closely.

I think there's nothing wrong with the political viewpoints of reactionaries. They really are positive attributes.
It's the reactive nature that people with these political views often have, that is the downside to them.

Originally posted by sartre
reply to post by sonnny1

 

sonnny1,

For those who take issue with the term "Uncle Tom" the problem is yours.

Disclose the entire title to the article: Herman Cain is the Uncle Tom of the Federal Reserve batr.org...

It just might be too much for some to read the entire essay. The point is obvious, a Federal Reserve stooge running for President qualifies exactly for the meaning of "UT".

Trying to bring race into the discussion only detracts from the reality of HC's record.

SARTRE

Wrong.

If you can only use racist terms like "Uncle Tom" or "Oreo" to defend a position or criticize an issue, then your initial argument becomes invalid.

reply to post by Ghost375


The down side to 'reactionairies' was what we have seen in the past 5 years them constantly attacked of course other people knew them by another name:

The Tea Party because most if not all of that is the underlying belief system that progressive fascists denigrated beyond belief.

Because they will never be allowed to gain power.